You guys are as smart as Trump if you think antibiotics and bleach are the same thing.
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You guys are as smart as Trump if you think antibiotics and bleach are the same thing.
He didn't say they were.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennymac
And yes, we are pushing some strong selective forces for resistance right now.
I never said anything about antibiotics, just about selective pressure by soaking everything in bleach, ISO or other sanitizing chemicals.
I was only talking about the hand shit. I've seen studies about so called "superbugs" admittedly far from an MD but it's worked for 49 years so.Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
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Antibiotic resistant bacteria are a huge problem and the overuse of antibiotics is the culprit. And that problem just continues to get worse. A lazy doctor handing out antibiotic prescriptions by phone and/or entitled people demanding antibiotics for their minor ailments are all guilty = antibiotics lose their effectiveness the more you use and abuse them.
Overuse of sanitizers can potentially/theoretically lead to higher rates of childhood allergies, asthma, and auto-immune disease (later in life). This is due to the sanitizers being *too* effective at wiping out bacteria and viruses.
These are separate problems.
(If someone wants to post about bacterial biofilm thickness and bleach resistance - that does not compare to antibiotic resistance)
Ah fuck I broke my rule of “never say never” - Imma go down the rabbit hole now
Oddly, my wife has been big on hand sanitizer
I always said our kids need to eat dirt.
But the last month I’ve been squirting into my hands on a regular basis.
Never did that before.
The 2018 study used for that article suggests that a specific bacteria (that has a history of spreading between hospital patients and infecting their digestive systems) has become more resistant to alcohol disinfectant over time.
It then suggests that this could be due to the widespread adoption of alcohol hand sanitizers used in health care settings (which has dramatically decreased the incidence of bacterial infections being spread between patients overall -but this study is looking at one particular type of hospital acquired infection that hasn’t seen the expected decrease in incidence despite widespread use of alcohol based hand sanitizers)
It also suggests that instead of this resistance being caused by hand sanitizer it could be a mutation in the bacteria that confers greater acid tolerance “ leading to improved survival during passage through the gastrointestinal tract. Secondary phenotypes such as alcohol tolerance are then coselected (passenger phenomenon) and, together with the primary phenotype, multiply the environmental hardiness of the pathogen.”
Interestingly it appears that a lot of the research into bacterial resistance to alcohol is, as you can imagine, driven by brewing, wine making, distilling industry.
But I withdraw any statements I made that imply bacteria can never become resistant to sanitization as these studies show adaptation to alcohol can happen.
Bleach is another story. And so are viruses.
^well said. I only went digging because I remember a colleague discussing this when the article came out but couldn't remember the details. In the practical world we are living in now this has little impact.
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Originally Posted by snowaddict91
The source of this study is Australian hospitals. Alcohol resistance is only natural on that continent given the inhabitants. I say study, but wait for repeatable observations in a more 'normal' environment ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bennymac
Bet we don't have any alcohol resistant bacteria here in Utah.
I’m doing a deep dive study tonight using my personal gut biome and a random selection of beverages of varying alcohol concentration. Will report back later.
Apologies in advance for the forthcoming spelling and punctuation errors.
I don't know if it's funny or sad that I now go to the grocery store with a "wish list" and get pumped when they have what I want/need.
Finally found med. grain rice, fresh basil, crushed tomatoes, tortillas and smoked salmon. Came up empty on flour, bagels, peppermint tea, udon noodles and Cherry Garcia.
went to work today, they are now doing temp checks on weekends.
it's the freaking weekend ! you know who comes in weekends, those that have to, they do not usually work with or see anyone else; do the work they have to and leave. I know this from decades of experience
Our niece is a teacher and her husband does IT for a Socal school district. He works 9-5 from home while she watches their 2 kids, then he watches the kids on the weekend while she does a week's worth of online classes. They're working a lot harder than pre-Covid but it beats having both of them unemployed. And they're saving on the little one's daycare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-XFjzX01Go
Boy who do you believe? Makes me wonder if we'll look back on this as the biggest screw up ever.
JHC
Stop and think for a moment. This isn't just the US. The entire world is infected.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUMMITX
It was shot down in the official flu thread.
I'm not listening to anything someone who lives (possibly voluntarily) in Bakersfield says.
A real doctor that specializes in the field, without an orange cock in his mouth, is where I'd startQuote:
Originally Posted by SUMMITX
Screw-up? That we let ANYONE with scrubs on claim to be a doctor.
https://www.facebook.com/10055359159...9158945403719/Quote:
Originally Posted by SUMMITX
I've got fucking Vertigo. It's insanely trivial, I realize, but I'm going on two weeks and it's driving me fucking nuts (and depriving me of my sweet, sweet doobage).
I have had vertigo, it totally sucks, and yeah, for me, weed is not advised when the world is already a little unsteady. There are treatments that work, depending on the flavor of vertigo you have. Two weeks is a long time to be suffering.Quote:
Originally Posted by bagtagley
the cat will not
shut
the
fuck
up!
Christ, the door is going to be left open by mistake real soon.
Two shops ago I got everything on my list and it felt like an actual accomplishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by KQ
He needs a tank!Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkgt
Bored Quarantined Owners Have Started Putting Cats In Cardboard Tanks
so it's not just me! LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Thaleia
except it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by KQ
7 billion on the planet, 3 million infected; so 6 billion, 997 million are sheltering in place and have yet to be exposed ? I don't think so; will be interesting to see after another 6 months what was considered the actual chance of infection for the average person.
okay, off the soapbox; texas governor opens texas may 1 but says no haircuts until may 15th; looks like I am going to Arkansas this weekend.
The United Nations, for example, recognizes 251 countries and territories. 1) The United States, however, officially recognizes fewer than 200 nations. 2) Ultimately, the best answer is that there are 196 countries in the world.
Tracking the spread of the novel coronavirus
At least 207,669 people globally have died from COVID-19 and 3,001,088 have been infected by the novel coronavirus that causes it, following an outbreak that started in Wuhan, China, in early December. The World Health Organization referred to it as a pandemic on March 11, 2020.
Active cases: 1,940,724 (64.70%)
People recovered: 852,695 (28.40%)
Deaths: 207,669 (6.90%)
Though the outbreak started in China, it has now reached 216 countries and territories. 175 of those have reported fatalities.
My father in law actually smoked weed to help combat vertigo...Quote:
Originally Posted by bagtagley
https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/20...d-19-cats-dogsQuote:
Originally Posted by hawkgt
You’ve never had vertigo or you would know that’s quackery. Weed is devastating with vertigo. Headache, dizziness. Truly awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
My cure for vertigo is doing bat spins.
You're right, I've never had vertigo and didn't suggest otherwise. My former father in law does, and that's what worked for him. My ex also has had it and it didn't work at all and only made her more sick. People are different.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4matic
Don’t know what’s causing your vertigo but the most often cause I see is because of BPPV. Try a couple of these exercises especially the Eply. Can’t hurt and may solve the problemQuote:
Originally Posted by bagtagley
https://www.webmd.com/brain/home-remedies-vertigo
Bosses want to implement video monitoring through the laptop webcams in the coming days. Seriously considering telling them to shove it and I'll keep that sticky tape I have covering the lens on there, except for our Zoom calls. They can come remove the tape covering the lens personally if they really need to see me throughout the day. I don't need the camera randomly turning on and recording me during the day without my knowledge.
It's a worrying prospect to think about giving up this job in this environment, but I also have some lines I won't cross.
Fuck this. Play along with it and make sure you don’t wear clothes for the first few days. I’m sure that policy will go away shortly after.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetzen