I think someone else mentioned g3 and mtns having them. I thought it was just dynafit but turns out I only own the two brands of bindings that don't have them.
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I think someone else mentioned g3 and mtns having them. I thought it was just dynafit but turns out I only own the two brands of bindings that don't have them.
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I have only looked at the binding that have clearing slots this is interesting cuz I thot they all had clearing slots
but you can see how they would do the trick eh ?
I got ski buds who laugh as they watch me swing the leg 3 times and stomp the heel in
but I never git that premature ejaculation
I was taught to clear my toes as well and always do out of habit. Didn't realize my ATKs didn't have slots but will probably keep doing it anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
I have a few days this year on something similar with backland bindings. I carpet taped them on, less holes and they haven't fallen off yet. I couldn't really tell the difference touring, but it was early season careful conditions or soft snow. But then I skied those skis in the tracked out resort and I think the spacer made the heel feel more harsh. Energy transmission is too direct I guess? Vibram sole should have some give to it, so it's possibly all in my head but now I'm thinking maybe vague heel isn't so bad. Between that and worrying about jeopardizing lateral release, I'm probably going to take them off. Mine also aren't red so that could be the issueQuote:
Originally Posted by teamdirt
I have plenty of UHMW and carpet tape left if anyone with a 1/2" topsheet-to-sole gap wants to try this out.
And yea backland/mtns have slots. 180 degrees apart, but either they press the pins in randomly clocked or mine are spinning which would be bad.
In theory, it should still work without having the benefit of the slots. I do the shuffle 8 or 9 times per side. If 3 is enough, 9 is better ... right?Quote:
Originally Posted by snowaddict91
... Thom
well 3 is my personal ritual, but without slots i don't see how 9 will do any thing, otoh at least you are aware
Canada is like a furin country eh so almost all the bindings I looked at would be Dynafit or G3 with a smattering of Salomon, i duno if there is a Canadian dist for ATK but last time i looked a binding was 850 can$
I asked shop bro what binding has the most problems here up narth and he said " G3 but keep in mind mostly what we sell IS G3 "
Just picked up a pair of mtns with brakes and noticing how high the “flat” touring mode is compared to my speed radicals or than without brakes (5+mm higher). What do folks skiing mtns think, are the brakes worth it?
I've not toured alot on MTNs, but when I did I did not think about them not being flat (if that is the case) - like at all. For me the brakes were worth it and I run them on two pairs of skis (BMT90 and BMT109). I would not run them without brakes personally, unless I a weight saving mission was on - but then MTNs would probably not be my choice of bindings either.
Thanks for the reply other opinions on the flat mode with brakes?Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
picking up some UL skis with one dynafit radical mount. Is the atk trofeo enough better than the dynafit ssl to be worth putting more holes in the skis? Looks like I could re use all toe holes for the dyna superlight
Flat enough with the brakes without turning the heel assemblyQuote:
Originally Posted by skialpy
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Well, according to my buddy, the SSL 2.0s set a pretty high bar. If you like the SSLs I wouldn't get all FOMO about it, but that's just me (who can be prone to FOMO :eek:).Quote:
Originally Posted by sruffian
... Thom
The Superlite uses the Radical 1 toe pattern but has a different heel pattern. And unless you use the heel shift plate it doesn't have any length adjustment so has to be mounted for your specific boot sole length. What will work or clash will be depend how your boot sole length compares to that of the original mount etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by sruffian
B&D shift plates for SSL 2.0's have the speed radical heel pattern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyderjon
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SSL is awesome, though I swapped in a speedrad toe to use with a SSL heel because I like to pretend I'm rad enough to need the extra beef on little mountaineering skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by sruffian
Thanks guys. Looks like I’ll order the ssl from euroland and some adjustment plates from Ashland, Oregon to re use the heel holes
Saw reference earlier to people wishing b and d would make anti rotation device for ssl. Looks like they’re available now- are you guys having problems with flat mode on ssl or is it good enough?
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SSL 2.0 unofficial flat mode works better than some official flat modes.
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I'd be pleased to quote you a great price on Superlite 175's. PM me if you're interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by sruffian
Thanks isbd. Also glad to see those ssl’s on my old protests are working out! Many slarves I won’t forget on those sticks
Pm inbound Jon
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Midseason update on BD Helio 180/ATK Trofeo plus.
These bindings are probably all most need. Install freeride spacer and your good. Banging off sled laps, airing with confidence, straightlining all without hesitation. No issues what-so-ever. The 1 height riser is the optimum height too. A few were whining about lack of adjustment but reality is these are so simple, so light and work awesome! Highly recommend if you can get your hands on some!
Your spacer does worry me. The ATK ones have a slider for sticky AT soles...Quote:
Originally Posted by teamdirt
Fair enough-none of their spacers would work so had to dream up my own solution....Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
Either way the binding is still top notch.
I mean fair play for going it alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by teamdirt
Why wouldn’t the AL05 work? What’s the height of your riser?
Alo5 was to high...boot wouldn’t clamp into pins. I believe 10mm off the top of my head but will need to double checkQuote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
I ground down the al05 and put one layer of ptex under the heel piece and It works, with adjustment range for my two different boots.
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The Marker saga continues... glad I saw this as I was considering picking up a pair of Alpinists earlier today
occasional issues on products do occur, but considering that they've sold shitloads of them vs how few issues that have been reported (to my knowledge) indications are that they are pretty reliable for what they are. Everybody that I've talked to that have used them extensively seems to be really satisfied with them.
I hate marker bindings after dealing with dukes and some other terrible binding in the mid 2000s, but got a pair of alpinists super cheap and decided to give them i try. I actually like how they ski and tour. The brakes are pieces of shit and annoying though. Its amazing how many pairs i see here in Norway and haven't heard of widespread issues. I dunno, I'd probably buy another pair. Have been way happier them than my dynafits (radical and rad2)
I liked them. Ramp angle was just too low for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by NWFlow
It's definitely noticeable, but that's one of the reasons I like them actually. But i could see that being a big negative if that doesn't work with one's preferences.
Been contemplating getting some alpinist. Do they actually ski better than a speed turn? I’ve always hated the lack of control over the tail of the ski (really hard to aggressively finish a turn) and lack of dampening that Dynafit bindings have. Does the active compensation of the marker noticeably help this?
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What aspect of the brakes do you not like?Quote:
Originally Posted by NWFlow
They’re incredibly weak and I don’t trust them to stop a ski at all. It’s also my first time with a brake that has to be manually stowed/deployed and I’ve forgotten to release them a few times, not that I expect it to make much of a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
A friend who logs serious miles in the BC prefers Alpinists, and he likes jumping off things.
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I have 2 pairs of ‘em, no issues for my 195 lbs. I agree with the logic that despite selling a metric shit ton of them in Europe & elsewhere, Marker doesn’t seem to have a ton of issues.
My Verticals and Ions don’t feel as smooth / damp as the Alpinists but I’d say my Vipecs feel somewhat similar on refrozen chatter.
Here’s an often overlooked aspect to consider: that Utah avy tragedy last week took out skinners, and the report mentioned locked tech toes as a possible contributor to the deep burials. What’s the lightweight tech binding today that has enough clamping force to allow you to skin up in Ski mode? AFAIK it’s the Alpinist only (would like to hear if there are others). In my experience, more techy skinning on satrugi / hardpack etc requires me to lock em, but typical pow day skinning does not.
Ok as a geeky engr I’ll throw in more food for thought. The release force at a twisting heel piece varies as distance from fulcrum changes. Therefore a binding with an baseplate travel spring that allows the tech heel to be always right up against your boot will, by definition, have more predictable release characteristics than a similar but inelastic heel that relies instead on a gap. Skis flex all over the place during a wreck.
Here’s another geeky observation: all the gap-based tech heels I’ve owned sometimes bind hard against my boot when skinning super variable terrain (creek crossings etc) as the ski deeeply flexes. Where’s that stress go? The mount screws.
Of course, a heel piece with linear travel baseplate spring is limited by that spring’s travel, but as long as that travel exceeds the gap of a ‘Gapped’ binding, you are winning.
ATK.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
That's what I think too. I just put brakes on my Alpinists this season and I can't imagine them actually stopping a ski on anything but a hardpack surface. Considering switching to a leash...but ugh, leashes suck too.Quote:
Originally Posted by bean
I’ve been using B&D leashes with my Alpinists so I theoretically have break-away functionality in a slide. They work great and I never have to disconnect the leashes during the day, so it feels more secure than brakes to me.
Alpinists have been great for me. No issues to note and I love the flat ramp angle. Have mostly used them in powder, but power transfer on firm groomers is quite good.
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Happy with mine so far, but minimal use. So not to burst anyone’s bubble, but the heel travel on the Alpinists is only 5mm, which is about the same as your typical gap for most non-heel-travel bindings. Most all other tech bindings with heel travel are at about 10mm travel. Lou wrote up an article on this, noting about the Alpinist: “short, rather stiff spring, not sure how much it really does.”
https://www.wildsnow.com/27750/g3-zed-test-heel/
This is where I start to wonder about how “damp” a tech bindings feels is just that- an arbitrary feeling. I would like to see Marker increase travel to 10mm, not sure at all why they didn’t do that in the first place.
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Mtn also.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
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