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I know I would, fkna. It took great restraint this fall to not purchase a set.
I'm not convinced they are any more super than the 189/191. Need to try a pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
That might cut into the landcruiser fundQuote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
Well considering the 191s are worth $5000, I think I could sell my pair and get supergoats easily, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by NW_SKIER
Since I haven't skied those I have no idea. The stiff SG is quite the ski though. If it's used in an area that has more bumps than I would do a stock flex. The stiff is, well, umm, stiff. Not super demanding though due to the shape. The stiff crushes vert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
It would be interesting to do a 191vsSG. The 189 in my eyes is a different ski due to lack of width and length compared to SG. Not positive as I haven't skied it though. Just looking and fondeling the SG, it skied just as I expected it to. You should have come to Idaho last weekend. We could have had the most epic Tgr demo day.
Oh man. They rip. If by super you mean faster, then yes, they are definitely more super. The new shape also hooks up on groomers, or smoother off- piste terrain well too, whereas the older BG was meh on anything slightly packed, IMO. I have 3 days on them, and so far they feel significantly faster and edgier, but worse in deep moguls/trees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
If by super you mean grin-inducing, I think that all post-2012 BG’s give you maximum grin factor in powder and soft chop. Each version just has a slightly different flavor.
My last day on them, everything off-piste was bumped to shit, with in between soft/refrozen cruddy pow. The SG’s were mega-work. The bumps were getting deep valleys, and it was hard to pick up speed because the moguls were poorly formed. SGs were more work than 191 Wrens in deep bumps in that type of snow. They work very well in smaller bumps, but as they get deeper valleys, and the less uniform they get, the SGs are very tiring. My legs were pumped after 3 hours. The 189 BGs from last years are much, much more forgiving in deep cruddy bumps.
On wide open terrain/smoother conditions, SG’s are on a different level. The more I ski them, the more I feel that trait. Speed level is up there with 191 Monsters and 196 Governors.
My only (very minor)complaint with them is that when driving them at higher edge angles, that asym outside edge does start to turn against the fall line a little. But who even buys an RES ski to hit high edge angles?? That only comes from the fact that they hold a much better edge than previous BG’s though, which allows you to hit those higher angles, so that point is moot. Stand a little more centered, and that trait pretty much goes away (thanks for that tip PowTron!) The Asym isn’t nearly as noticeable as it was on my skinny Quixotes, which turned against the fall line even at lower edge angles and with either a centered or forward stance.. IMO, asym is best suited for skis over 115mm underfoot.
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Are you like a pro, bro?Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuse
don't mind him the unicorn, he has goat envy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
A little SG Stoke. I have given up on seeing the new cast bindings this year and picked up some second hand P18s. Part way through mounting them, but figured the roommates might not appreciate the air compressor running at midnight to blow out the holes.
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This means there are some skis on the Chopping Block
2012 C&D 193 Rossi FKS 140 WTR on Cast SI&I, with BD Ultralight climbing skins
2016 Wren 112 186 Look Pivot14 WTR on Cast SI&I, with BD Ultralight climbing skins
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stealth hole blower
https://www.amazon.com/Giottos-AA190.../dp/B00017LSPI
Shit I was not thinking outside the Box enough on that. I had something around the shop I could have used for that. The air compressor is just so much more manly.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattig
sounds so dirty when you say it that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by mattig
Oh Yeah!!!
Had a good day on these finally, and they are awesome. They have the backbone of an old Wren, that extra fore and aft stability. Yet they release and are capable of turns of most any size as needed. Sure they are more ski than most anyone needs. But I am really looking forward to getting comfortable with where the tails are. It is fun to let them run, and bash chunder
Oh yes. Total country club Snowbird powder day for the super goat inaugural trip.
High speed pow. Check
10-30 foot cliffs. Check
Tight tree skiing. Check
Crud destroying machines. Check
Easily the best soft snow resort ski Ive been on. I don’t go looking for air and found myself cliffed out twice. Due to the confidence in the Skis and the conditions I was able to just say fuck it and drop.
Chair peeps looked at the grizzly corn and had to ask.
Many thanks, just what I was hoping for.
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What flex did you get?Quote:
Originally Posted by detrusor
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Standard. I’m 170 pounds soaking wet at 6’1”. Mounted right on the line.
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What is your bsl? Can I squeeze a 317 into them someday at the bird? Welcome to anything in my quiver - 188 rc112, 192 zealots, 191 BGs, 191 wrenegade, 186 renegade, 185 vicik, spatula, 192 RPC112, 187 bonafide, 200 lotus 120, 193 C&DQuote:
Originally Posted by detrusor
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I’m a 317. Sure can. I’ll shoot you a PM. They have STH2’s on so pretty adjustable. I’d love to try some BG’s. Rode the chair w a guy who loved them on Sunday.
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FYI Looks like a few more back in stock in the champagne room in stiff flex. holding out for aver
Can’t remember where I heard it, maybe blister podcast, but it sounds like they’ve determined stiff to be the flex that works best. Might not be another run of the extra stiff available unless custom...Quote:
Originally Posted by Flotsam
Those GrizzlyCorns are seriously tempting!!!!
Never go full Aever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flotsam
Seriously, I can’t imagine why that would be necessary.
No shit. Unless you're doing comps or ski like those guys. All.the fucking. Time....Quote:
Originally Posted by jackattack
I can drive the shit out of skis and the stiff was plenty.
Yep, I weigh 225 and the regular stiff is fine for me. When I was talking to Scott about flex when ordering, he asked me "do people take pictures of you and put them in ski magazines"? That's what sold me on the stiff flex vs Aedvers. I'm happy where I'm at. I think full Aed would be too much for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
I guess we'll see if its offered again. I stand by my decision.
You will be able to order it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flotsam
Ha. The Aever SG should have truck nutz hanging from the back of them, but glad people are buying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeepHelmet
Aeverflex isnt going to bite anyone over 200lbs, that knows how ski decently well. My skillset is nothing special, and I could daily drive them if I never skied big bumps. The RES makes them manageable in tighter spaces. Just keep them out of deep moguls, otherwise they work well just about anywhere.
They are no harder to ski than 191 Wrens or 196 Moment Governors, although they are stiffer than those two. Again, RES makes them more maneuverable than the flex would suggest.
Powtron said it perfectly back in November.. he said something along the lines of; “2x stiff is about as stiff as you can go, without losing too much on the fun side of things”..They are still fun, and wont kill you if you make a mistake.
I agree with Iggy that the stiff flex is probably the best way to go for this shape, but the 2x stiff still has enough flex to float well. Mine are some of the best floating skis I have ever owned. What they do phenomenally, is stomp airs. I havent taken mine off anything massive, maybe 12ish feet, but I could tell they come from Stomp City.
I went Aeverflex because
1. How could I not??? Aever is my middle name!
And
2. Because I am fairly strong and can muscle around bigger skis easily
NOT because I am a phenomenal skier. I am not. I wish that was the case.
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It isn't that the Aever-flex cannot be skied. I just think, for most skiers, it isn't necessary. If it is your jam, though, rock out.
Big props to ON3P for making the second run of these, I am excited to get my gunmetal stiffs this week. Now we just need another good storm.
I agree. I would have been better off with the stiff flex as a daily driver.. But man, Aeverflex charges chop SO well. My fat ass experiences no fore-aft balance issues when straightlining through 2 feet of chop, on stormy days when you cant see anything in front of you. But, in deep moguls, I wish they were a little bit softer and more forgiving. I use my 189 standard BGs when I know there’s going to be moguls.Quote:
Originally Posted by iggyskier
Maybe Tahoe J can meet up with me this season and film the Supergoats in action. I dont have a GoPro. I could get it on my phone, but it would probably be shotty.
To be clear, Aeverflex is no stiffer than my #5, Heavy core Praxis Rx.
One thing for sure is the SG shape is phenomenal. On3p hit it out of the park. It’s like a 191 wren mixed with a 189 BG.
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Thanks, count me inQuote:
Originally Posted by iggyskier
I am now the proud owner of the Grizzlycorns. The American Flag and 2016 BG topsheets are still available!Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
@iggyskier Any experience with DPS Phantom? Would you put it on your skis?
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Originally Posted by alfajores
Damn you! Had them in the cart and was too big of wallet puss to pull the trigger!Quote:
Originally Posted by alfajores
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Haven't skied it so no feedback on the actual wax-replacing performance. I've had two customers reach out after trying it. Both were requesting our help getting the skis back to the factory tune after they were brought to shop, ground, and had Phantom applied. We have similar experiences with shops tuning our skis regularly though. Generally they've ground the skis edge high or run the edges far too sharp. The later is easy to fix, but the former normally requires a complete retune.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfajores
I see the merits for recreational skiers who don't want to spend the time, money, or have the knowledge to maintain their gear.
That said, never used it, never applied it, haven't had any discussions directly with DPS pertaining to its application in a production environment, and don't know much about the changes separating it from the Juice Permanent formula. Most of my first hand knowledge/feedback was from the summer of 2017 when some ski brands were bouncing around discussions of Juice Permanent and the pricing to put it into production. At the time it was being tested by another company who's CEO I am close with (likely not too hard to venture a guess). His feedback led me to conclude it was not worth us testing.
Sounds like the formula is different now, so you know as much as I do at this point.
As it pertains to applying it to ON3P, they are your skis. Just know I will be pounding my head against a wall when you email me saying the skis have been ground and no longer ski like we sent them out.
Edit to add: I would, obviously, be interested to hear from people who have tried it on our skis outside of the ones who had application-related tune issues, so as we get feedback in I'll relay it. At some point I'll buy some to see what we think as well.
Email me. I’ll send you a box to play with.Quote:
Originally Posted by iggyskier
My fiancé bought them for me. I was really scratching my head on whether I could justify another pair of skis. She could.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool1080s
Waiting to hear what she did to make her want to buy me them. Maybe she just really likes me.
My money says it's about as useful and effective as rust-proofing undercoating.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfajores
Why do you own so few skis?Quote:
Originally Posted by OldSchool1080s
Glad the gunmetal and grizzlycorn are gone. I have quiver issues below 110 underfoot that I should be dealing with. But can’t stop looking at the SG.