PARK CITY (and all) SKI PATROLLERS DESERVE MORE.

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Originally Posted by skiJ

guys -
at this point, this really isn't about the Patrol wages anymore, but it's about Who runs the company -

If VR increases their offer, VR can expect any department at any resort to make similar demands.

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Yup, this is what happens when you fuck over your employees for years.

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If the patrollers miss 80 hours, they lose as much pay as they were calling the base wage be increased ;

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The contract runs more than one year…

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This could be settled on Thursday, but at this point I expect this to last at least two weeks ( - or VR hires replacements and runs their "Support Team" for the season ).

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Good luck with that…we’ve seen how well things are going now…

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This really isn't about Patrol wages anymore.

( skiJ )

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Correct - it’s about a peasant revolt.

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Originally Posted by schindlerpiste

Canyons side virtually closed down. Only lifts open are those to move you from the Can. base to the Park City Base Camp. Pitiful:the_finge:fuckyou:

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How much of the closure is due to lack of snow? I’m reading that pre-strike only 15% of the resort was skiable?

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Originally Posted by deeds

If this happened they should really go speak with local media…

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Most local media (and media in general) is corporate owned. They're on the side of the oligarchs, not the working class.

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With twenty eight inches of reported snow in the last five days, you’d expect a lot of new terrain to open up under normal circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Skistack

So go get some fucking interns to fix it, it's not rocket surgery.

Anyway, doing some math on the wages issue, say 300 patrollers working a 6 month season, 40 hrs/wk. Would they settle for a $2/hr average bump? That's $600k, but the real number would be lower since not everyone is working 40hrs/wk for a full season. Call it $500k for shits and giggles.

Is that alot of money to Vail Resorts? Their net income last year was $230 million, EBITDA was $825 million, revenue just from lift operations was $1.4 BILLION. $500k is less than a rounding error to Vail Resorts.

So how many executive's bonuses would it take to cover everything the Patrollers are asking for? Well, CEO Kristen Lynch took home a bonus of $1.2 million in cash, plus another $2.2 million in stock options.

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This is a silly argument. The CEO is responsible for a lot more than just the PC patrol. Take her annual compensation and split all of it across all the global employees of Vail and you’re looking at something around 16c/hour raise for each of them - going off a shorter estimate of seasonal employment length that you did.

Can Vail afford to pay patrollers and others more? Yes. Is that money hiding in executive pay? Not really.

Skimming right off the top.

https://www.vaildaily.com/news/manag...ollers-strike/

Both KPCW and TownLift have reported extensively about the strike and certainly don’t seem to be taking Vail’s side…

These people that defend this ceos salary. Want us to believe there is no one qualified who would work for 5 million.

It’s a scam. Fleece the shareholders, take it out of shareholder equity. Only there is no room for growth to support that thieving.

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Can Vail afford to pay patrollers and others more? Yes. Is that money hiding in executive pay? Not really.

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Really? Are you really fucking serious? The C suite/VP’s would walk out the door if their bonus pool was cut? These magic unicorns cannot possibly make do with less?

Not saying that is an answer, but it illustrates the absurdity of the situation. Two fucking dollars an hour.



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Originally Posted by Cono Este

One of my best friends owns a shop in PC, and some other small biz, says lift ops at canyons walked out in solidarity. He expects major cancellations.

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Holy Shiite! This is huge, and a major problem for Vail. My condo at The Can. has already suffered 2 cancellations. Oh well. I support the patrollers.

At first, I heard that mediation had been scheduled for 01/02. Now, I just heard that the parties are meeting this evening to discuss the carnage

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Originally Posted by Skistack

Really? Are you really fucking serious? The C suite/VP’s would walk out the door if their bonus pool was cut? These magic unicorns cannot possibly make do with less?

Not saying that is an answer, but it illustrates the absurdity of the situation. Two fucking dollars an hour.

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Can’t give everyone a $2/hr raise just cutting C-Suite pay.

Vail will probably pay for around 41-45 million employee hours this winter. C suite pay pool doesn’t go that far across 45,000,000 hours. By firing the entire c-suite you just got everyone an extra 23-26 cents an hour!

Again, money is out there, and it’s not hard to find but yall are looking in the wrong places.

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Originally Posted by Skistack

So go get some fucking interns to fix it, it's not rocket surgery.

Anyway, doing some math on the wages issue, say 300 patrollers working a 6 month season, 40 hrs/wk. Would they settle for a $2/hr average bump? That's $600k, but the real number would be lower since not everyone is working 40hrs/wk for a full season. Call it $500k for shits and giggles.

Is that alot of money to Vail Resorts? Their net income last year was $230 million, EBITDA was $825 million, revenue just from lift operations was $1.4 BILLION. $500k is less than a rounding error to Vail Resorts.

So how many executive's bonuses would it take to cover everything the Patrollers are asking for? Well, CEO Kristen Lynch took home a bonus of $1.2 million in cash, plus another $2.2 million in stock options.

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Remember there are wayyyy more patrollers that work for Vail than just the park city guys and girls.

If they give the unionized patrollers $2ph then sure as hell the rest of the non unionized patrollers are gonna want it, and Vail won't want them to think about unionizing to get it.

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https://www.kpcw.org/park-city/2024-...-for-mediation

mediation moved-up from Th. and Friday to today and tomorrow

yea I don't think the issue is giving 300 patrollers $2 more. Vail has around 50,000 employees. If Park City gets it they are all going to want the same wages.
the restaurant employees union would probably be happy to step in if asked. I think Colorado has some state law that benefits ski areas screwing workers. Collective bargaining would enable ski area employees to negotiate that. I was a union worker and always believed every worker was intitled to the best deal they could negotiate. Collective bargaining is one of the better tools.

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Originally Posted by BFD

yea I don't think the issue is giving 300 patrollers $2 more. Vail has around 50,000 employees. If Park City gets it they are all going to want the same wages.
the restaurant employees union would probably be happy to step in if asked. I think Colorado has some state law that benefits ski areas screwing workers. Collective bargaining would enable ski area employees to negotiate that. I was a union worker and always believed every worker was intitled to the best deal they could negotiate. Collective bargaining is one of the better tools.

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Most definitely.... This won't affect just PC patrollers but the whole industry. The last time Vail negotiated patroller salaries, my friends at alta got a raise as a result.

^^^ And I am certain they were worth it.

I believe the issue is a bump in starting wages for the new hires. Sure it will increase some of the mid-level wages but this AFAIK is not a partol wide request for a 2 dollar bump.

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Originally Posted by skiJ

https://www.kpcw.org/park-city/2024-...-for-mediation

mediation moved-up from Th. and Friday to today and tomorrow

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"The union wants Park City Mountain owner Vail Resorts to raise the patrollers’ base wage from $21 to $23 per hour across all resorts to adjust for nationwide inflation."

When they say "across all resorts", are they already trying to get all vail resorts adjusted? Or just all vail resorts in park city?

This is Exhibit A, why everyone owes some benefit or aspect of their job to current or historical labor unions. The lost wages are borne by the strikers, but a lot of times it improves conditions across an industry.

Since the compensation for employees at other resorts isn't found in their contract, I doubt it's a thing they are actually bargain for, making a statement.

Their strike has proven very effective.
Mountain doesn’t run without em.

This is the reckoning that has always been coming for ski resorts. The sources of cheap labor are drying up and paying folks $21 / hr for a skilled labor position that requires medical qualifications and a myriad of other snow safety skills isn't going to cut it anymore. This isn't just a Vail problem.

I have zero sympathy for Vail getting squeezed here. They just pissed off thousands of customers which probably cost them $millions in customer cred to save what amounts to almost nothing in actual annual cost. This is just dumb.

CWA is trash. They are a virus. They have identified ski patrolling as a vulnerable industry they can exploit using minimal resources. They don't know anything about mountain sports or the ski industry. Their messaging is all boilerplate with no creativity or recognition of the individual needs of each patrol. Their tactics are predictable and insincere. They don't care about skiing. They are no better than VR.

I feel bad for patrollers caught up in it. There are better ways.

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This. It isn’t just patrol. I’m an electrician at Alta and Saturday is my last day working there after 20+ years. The constant taking away of benefits with lower pay than my electricians license can fetch on the open market became too much. Final straw was they restricted my ski time even when all my work is done. I quit and got a $30k raise coming with a swing shift so now I can ski golf bike every day and have way more money. And it’s way harder to get a licensed electrician than a patroller. The entire ski industry wants their cake and to eat it to. Problem is they’ve got away with it for so long. Meanwhile a ticket at Alta was less than $40 bucks when I started. Today after taxes people were paying over $200.

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Originally Posted by RegCT

CWA is trash. They are a virus. They have identified ski patrolling as a vulnerable industry they can exploit using minimal resources. They don't know anything about mountain sports or the ski industry. Their messaging is all boilerplate with no creativity or recognition of the individual needs of each patrol. Their tactics are predictable and insincere. They don't care about skiing. They are no better than VR.

I feel bad for patrollers caught up in it. There are better ways.

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Thank you.

I support the patrollers --

skiJ

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Originally Posted by RegCT

CWA is trash. They are a virus. They have identified ski patrolling as a vulnerable industry they can exploit using minimal resources. They don't know anything about mountain sports or the ski industry. Their messaging is all boilerplate with no creativity or recognition of the individual needs of each patrol. Their tactics are predictable and insincere. They don't care about skiing. They are no better than VR.

I feel bad for patrollers caught up in it. There are better ways.

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As a life time member of the CWA may invite you to go piss up a rope?

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Originally Posted by schindlerpiste

Holy Shiite! This is huge, and a major problem for Vail. My condo at The Can. has already suffered 2 cancellations. Oh well. I support the patrollers.

At first, I heard that mediation had been scheduled for 01/02. Now, I just heard that the parties are meeting this evening to discuss the carnage

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Appreciate you taking the right side on this SP
J, Goar, and others always appreciated your support when it was still The Canyons