Moment Skis Discussion

[lemonhead]

23/24 currently mounted with attacks for a 286 BSL +2.

[jdadour]

The Countach 110 188cm, a (semi)powder review:

Caveats:
- This was a Mammoth powder day last Sunday, which means we were supposed to get 15-21 inches of snow but there were 1,000 mph winds as per usual, so we ended with 6 inches of consolidated pow
- I've detuned these past contacts points both tip and tail

Terrain:
- Steep trees and steep open terrain off the top
- Soft chop/slightly tracked pow, and fresh pow

Thoughts:
- Great.
- I would usually take my Bibby 190s out on a day like this. Ultimately, by the end of the day I wasn't even thinking about the skis I had strapped on, and was skiing exactly how I wanted. Thats the biggest compliment i can give the Countach
- The smaller radius made them easy to get across the fall line, which may counter act any perceived issue that the less taper/lower rocker tail not releasing as easily. Makes them maneuverable in pow.
- I had a feeling the increased taper in the tips would make them good in pow, they felt great. Very smooth and weren't hooking up

Final Thoughts:
- Jury is still out on how well they will perform in deeper snow. I have a feeling at a certain point they may not be as good
- I will for sure be taking these out on the next powder day, and going forward anything around a foot or less
- Great job Moment!

Hot Take:
- I skied the Deathwish for 3 years and IMO the Countach is better in every way. Unless you really like a -5cm mount or ski more centered (or are Skier666), the Deathwish might be a better fit. No triple camber doesnt provide more grip, but it may provide similar grip.

[Huskier]

The Countach 110 188cm, a (semi)powder review:
Ultimately, by the end of the day I wasn't even thinking about the skis I had strapped on, and was skiing exactly how I wanted. Thats the biggest compliment i can give the Countach

This has been my experience is well. They just back you up. Down for whatever.

Final Thoughts:
- Jury is still out on how well they will perform in deeper snow. I have a feeling at a certain point they may not be as good

Pretty much. Like 6-8 is the point where I reach for something bigger and slashier. They're not super into bouncing untracked face shots they kind of just want to go.


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[Flippo]

Hot Take:
- I skied the Deathwish for 3 years and IMO the Countach is better in every way. Unless you really like a -5cm mount or ski more centered (or are Skier666), the Deathwish might be a better fit. No triple camber doesnt provide more grip, but it may provide similar grip.

That’s a hot take indeed [emoji14]. I haven’t ski the countach but I feel that the tail rocker and more centered mount point would make the Deathwish more maneuverable.
It always take me some time to adjust to the Deathwish mount point (all my other skis are or were around -7 -8cm) so I am countach curious.

[TeleBeaver]

Hot Take:
- I skied the Deathwish for 3 years and IMO the Countach is better in every way. Unless you really like a -5cm mount or ski more centered (or are Skier666), the Deathwish might be a better fit. No triple camber doesnt provide more grip, but it may provide similar grip.

Skied the deathwish for 5 years as a near daily driver, and the countach is sooo much better in that role. Much better on groomers with the more traditional sidecut profile, and more float in pow with the wider tip and more traditional mount. The CT is definitely a bit more "game on" and less forgiving in tight terrain and more firm conditions. The DW excels here, much easier to throw sideways and scrub speed, but with similar edge hold from the triple camber. Deathwishes are something special, but Moment made a nearly perfect ski with the Countach, I can't imagine a better western daily.

[FloridaSnow]

Skied the deathwish for 5 years as a near daily driver, and the countach is sooo much better in that role. Much better on groomers with the more traditional sidecut profile, and more float in pow with the wider tip and more traditional mount. The CT is definitely a bit more "game on" and less forgiving in tight terrain and more firm conditions. The DW excels here, much easier to throw sideways and scrub speed, but with similar edge hold from the triple camber. Deathwishes are something special, but Moment made a nearly perfect ski with the Countach, I can't imagine a better western daily.

a countach with triple camber could be fun.

[SnowMachine]

Interesting.... I'm over here thinking that the DW104/DW combo covers 95% of my skiing. Every time I ski something else I think to myself I should be on a DW. I'll be back on my 104's today.

I haven't skied Moments deep snow skis. I almost grabbed CB's but they weren't in stock at the time. I'm bloated in the fat ski dept right now (Blade Optic 114, Renegade and HL120ST). A WC may replace the BO114 next season. For the most part, I'd rather be on the DW than the BO114, anyway.

[lemonhead]

I love a DW, DW104 quiver. If you are getting something for the deep I'd recommend a Ghost Train over a Wildcat. Have a bigger ski plus it's triple camber. IMO DW and WC are to close to each other. I much prefer a Ghost Train to a CB your results may vary.

[jdadour]

a countach with triple camber could be fun.

No.

[FloridaSnow]

Interesting.... I'm over here thinking that the DW104/DW combo covers 95% of my skiing. Every time I ski something else I think to myself I should be on a DW. I'll be back on my 104's today.

I haven't skied Moments deep snow skis. I almost grabbed CB's but they weren't in stock at the time. I'm bloated in the fat ski dept right now (Blade Optic 114, Renegade and HL120ST). A WC may replace the BO114 next season. For the most part, I'd rather be on the DW than the BO114, anyway.

one ghost train 194 blem left. Do it

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[tenB]

a countach with triple camber could be fun.

Uhhhh, no

[headwall]

No.

Agree.

Give it quad camber, metal and one of those 90s piezoelectric doodads and call it the Diablo.

[Eastside]

Agree.

Give it quad camber, metal and one of those 90s piezoelectric doodads and call it the Diablo.

I had the K2 Four with the piezo doodad. My boss saw the blinky light and asked me how I knew it would not make the thirty pounds of explosives on my back detonate. I said if they use it on fighter jets, its probably safe.

[gaijin]

From a readers perspective— here’s what’s up.

Some of you boutiques try everything. For no reason. You just try it.

Others of you have decades of experience in design and tell us what we didn’t know we needed.

For fucks’ sake. Design something.

There is a reason triple camber isn’t a global thing.

This is getting painful giving feedback.


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[SnowMachine]

one ghost train 194 blem left. Do it

https://www.momentskis.com/collectio...-cosmetic-blem

I looked hard at that when you posted the other day. I still haven't even gotten my HL120's yet and the big Renegade is a frickin pow rocket. Outside of being a Moment fanboi, I just can't come up with a current use case.

[SnowMachine]

From a readers perspective— here’s what’s up.

Some of you boutiques try everything. For no reason. You just try it.

Others of you have decades of experience in design and tell us what we didn’t know we needed.

For fucks’ sake. Design something.

There is a reason triple camber isn’t a global thing.

This is getting painful giving feedback.


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I land squarely in the "try everything" box. The more I try, the more I realize how subtle the differences are. If you can't ski, you can't ski. The biggest swings performance wise is running length, side cut and camber/rocker. I feel like I can pretty much tell how a ski will work by having it in my hands.

That said, I think triple camber is pretty cool. I like being able to pressure different parts of the ski and having it grip or release. For the most part, I find the DW104/DW to be very mellow to ski, but can be pushed pretty hard. They're damp beyond their weight class.

[Huskier]

From a readers perspective— here’s what’s up.

Some of you boutiques try everything. For no reason. You just try it.

Others of you have decades of experience in design and tell us what we didn’t know we needed.

For fucks’ sake. Design something.

There is a reason triple camber isn’t a global thing.

This is getting painful giving feedback.


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What is your point exactly? Innovation is not worthwhile? Experimentation is not worthwhile?

There's a hot take and then there's a cold fish take.

Triple camber. Full reverse. Swallowtails. Different stuff is weird and interesting. And fun. Moar pls.



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[FloridaSnow]

From a readers perspective— here’s what’s up.

Some of you boutiques try everything. For no reason. You just try it.

Others of you have decades of experience in design and tell us what we didn’t know we needed.

For fucks’ sake. Design something.

There is a reason triple camber isn’t a global thing.

This is getting painful giving feedback.


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ferreol does triple camber. They’re in Canada. So yes global. I’m sure there are others outside of the us. I just don’t know every ski made elsewhere.

[waxoff]

^^^Not arguing about the spread of triple camber, but hey, two countries in North America makes it "global"??

[Bdevil17]

Anyone got a solid review on the Countach 104's? Would love to hear more about how they compare to the 110s

[FloridaSnow]

^^^Not arguing about the spread of triple camber, but hey, two countries in North America makes it "global"??

like I said I don’t know every ski made around the world so I can’t comment on every company. I do know that when I commented in the past about triple camber being a moment thing someone pointed out to me two European brands using micro camber packets like moment. I just can’t remember what those skis were. Micro camber pockets are used by more brands than just moment

[SkiGinger]

Anyone got a solid review on the Countach 104's? Would love to hear more about how they compare to the 110s

Never ridden the 110’s but now have a few days on the 104s in a variety of conditions.

Powder deeper than 5 inches is a no for me with these.

They RAIL on the groomers, firm or soft. RAIL.

It’s kind of a mind trip for me how these ski. I can cut them loose like a WC108, but will lock into an edge and hold till the cows come home. It’s usually been one or the other. This has both. They are very maneuverable for how long the effective edge is. I could ride in bumps better than I could in the WC108. Shovels need to be driven in chopped up snow off trail.

They are also easy going and don’t need to be driven all the time. They can be skied mellow and not punish, but why buy Moment if mellow is what you’re after?

Definitely my favorite low-tide ski from Moment. They charge, they slarve, they carve, they do very well in bumps. I tried the Commander 98, but sold it as it felt muted. These have good pop to them.

[FloridaSnow]

Never ridden the 110’s but now have a few days on the 104s in a variety of conditions.

Powder deeper than 5 inches is a no for me with these.

They RAIL on the groomers, firm or soft. RAIL.

It’s kind of a mind trip for me how these ski. I can cut them loose like a WC108, but will lock into an edge and hold till the cows come home. It’s usually been one or the other. This has both. They are very maneuverable for how long the effective edge is. I could ride in bumps better than I could in the WC108. Shovels need to be driven in chopped up snow off trail.

They are also easy going and don’t need to be driven all the time. They can be skied mellow and not punish, but why buy Moment if mellow is what you’re after?

Definitely my favorite low-tide ski from Moment. They charge, they slarve, they carve, they do very well in bumps. I tried the Commander 98, but sold it as it felt muted. These have good pop to them.

interesting. I felt the same about my commander 98’s unless they were at high speeds. They just felt dead at anything lower than mach death.

have you been on a dw104? If so how do you compare the ct 104 to that?

[SkiGinger]

interesting. I felt the same about my commander 98’s unless they were at high speeds. They just felt dead at anything lower than mach death.

have you been on a dw104? If so how do you compare the ct 104 to that?

I owned the dw104 a couple seasons ago for my low tide ski. They are actually very similar in terms of on-snow characteristics. DW104 did better in a few inches of fresh vs the CT104 due to the rocker profile. I felt the DW104 was a bit more demanding than the CT104 is on the groomer when slarving steeps (that rear camber pocket would catch a bit too much for my liking).

I kept going back to the feeling that I was on my WC108’s with how the CT104 reacted going from edge to base to edge.

The serrated vs razor blade comparison very much applies here between the two when on firmer snow (triple camber being the serrated obviously).

Also, in order to get the most out of the CT104, you need to drive the shovels to get the pop I look for. It does well with a neutral stance, but the shovels start to catch before the tails do, and causes an unbalanced feeling when riding in the steeps. The DW104 is much happier in a neutral stance. Most of this is attributed to the mount points.


Moment’s description of taking a WC and infusing the Commander’s blood to make this ski is 100% spot on.

My take on the DW104 is it’s much more a “freestyle feeling in the boot” firm snow ski, while the CT104 goes to the “traditional shin-in-boot feeling” firm snow ski.

I didn’t think I’d like the CT104 as much as I do, because all of my skiing is done with Moment’s -5/-6cm mounted skis. They NAILED it with the CT. I’ve heard as much with the 110’s shape and feel as well.

[FloridaSnow]

I owned the dw104 a couple seasons ago for my low tide ski. They are actually very similar in terms of on-snow characteristics. DW104 did better in a few inches of fresh vs the CT104 due to the rocker profile. I felt the DW104 was a bit more demanding than the CT104 is on the groomer when slarving steeps (that rear camber pocket would catch a bit too much for my liking).

I kept going back to the feeling that I was on my WC108’s with how the CT104 reacted going from edge to base to edge.

The serrated vs razor blade comparison very much applies here between the two when on firmer snow (triple camber being the serrated obviously).

Also, in order to get the most out of the CT104, you need to drive the shovels to get the pop I look for. It does well with a neutral stance, but the shovels start to catch before the tails do, and causes an unbalanced feeling when riding in the steeps. The DW104 is much happier in a neutral stance. Most of this is attributed to the mount points.


Moment’s description of taking a WC and infusing the Commander’s blood to make this ski is 100% spot on.

My take on the DW104 is it’s much more a “freestyle feeling in the boot” firm snow ski, while the CT104 goes to the “traditional shin-in-boot feeling” firm snow ski.

I didn’t think I’d like the CT104 as much as I do, because all of my skiing is done with Moment’s -5/-6cm mounted skis. They NAILED it with the CT. I’ve heard as much with the 110’s shape and feel as well.

great description thanks. I have the dw 104 and the ct 110 and was wondering if there would be a place for the ct 104 in my quiver but based off what you’re describing it doesn’t really feel like it would fit in my personal lineup.