United Healthcare CEO shot to death in front of NYC investor meeting

[Ted Striker]

how can you be so angry with your natural white smile and perfectly aligned teeth?

I wish.

Honesty, Dog bless 'em. I couldn't do that job for any money.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Younger physicians are starting to change in their practice when it comes to work load. They want a more balanced lifestyle. One of the reasons that physicians make so much is that they work so much. Some is self inflicted but a lot is pressure from their large multi specialty groups for production. Some of the younger docs I work with would like to see more of a shift work schedule with a salary instead of production based compensation.

On the hospital side, it’s really expensive to take care of our fat, unhealthy and increasingly aged patients. The biggest cost at hospitals is staff.


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[MultiVerse]

Another reason is that there aren't enough doctors and other types of providers to keep up with demand. Acute hospital care is really expensive. Outpatient clinics independent of large hospitals staffed by GPs is much more cost effective, but there aren't enough GPs in America

[dan_pdx]

Yeah, but now do dentists.

They bring literally incalculable benefits to society. Without dentists, who would do Deer Valley TRs?

[Ted Striker]

They bring literally incalculable benefits to society. Without dentists, who would do Deer Valley TRs?

A friend's brother is a dentist. Actually, the only dentist in a small town. He has his own Bell 206 helicopter.

Landing on peaks, asking the other heli for Grey Poupon...

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Another reason is that there aren't enough doctors and other types of providers to keep up with demand. Acute hospital care is really expensive. Outpatient clinics independent of large hospitals staffed by GPs is much more cost effective, but there aren't enough GPs in America

Comparing acute care hospitals to outpatient clinics isn’t relevant because they serve two different roles. Acute inpatient care is by nature more expensive than preventative outpatient care. It’s got nothing to do with GP staffing. The outpatient preventative care is where staffing with NPs and PAs make the most sense from a cost perspective.


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[Kevo]

There is an artificially reduced supply of physicians that physicians are largely complicit in creating. The AMA lobbies against increased funding for residency programs. There is a hard cap on the number of docs who can enter residency in a given year, so there is a hard cap on the number of new doctors who can practice.

It is insane. If someone graduates from medical school in the US there should be some kind of residency available to them. We're pushing roughly 500 newly minted doctors with $500k educations and an MD or DO degree out of the profession every year for no reason other than to artificially reduce the supply to keep wages high.

[ex-powderbroker]

I cannot speak to Jordan Peterson with any expertise.

Rather than any actual “Incel” ideology with its extremes blame of and violence against women, I am thinking about that young testosterone filled male who isnt getting any physica/ sexual and emotional gratification/connection with partners. “involuntarily celebate” with a lower case i. Whether it was his back pain or social issues, I think that it can push men to extremes. In this case it could have driven him down further into a dark hole of plotting violent revenge.

funny how those same frustrated people turn to people like jp, tucker, tech finance bros and then turn violent.

ideas like “replacement theory”, “enforced monogamy”, the whole cloth of elon’s nonsense are not fit for human consumption.

if core shot was 20 years younger he’d be the first copycat.


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[MultiVerse]

Comparing acute care hospitals to outpatient clinics isn’t relevant because they serve two different roles. Acute inpatient care is by nature more expensive than preventative outpatient care. It’s got nothing to do with GP staffing. The outpatient preventative care is where staffing with NPs and PAs make the most sense from a cost perspective.

Agreed on NPs & PAs, and DNPs especially when given more legal autonomy. There's plenty of research showing equal or even better outcomes for patients with routine types of illness. The problem with the system now is an overreliance on the acute care sector:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK588063/

[subtle plague]

A friend's brother is a dentist. Actually, the only dentist in a small town. He has his own Bell 206 helicopter.

Landing on peaks, asking the other heli for Grey Poupon...

heh now i had to google grey poupon. which was a much more pleasant experience than googling the club rossymcg suggested in the snow for the euros thread

and since i have nothing else to contribute to health care assasins: You have to fight trstriker to the death because i always confuse you two. same with cono and core shot, but i have them on ignore so it doesnt matter.

[Trackhead]

They bring literally incalculable benefits to society. Without dentists, who would do Deer Valley TRs?

This post directs this thread in the right direction. 27 pages seems like enough.

[bodywhomper]

M Cubans’ take on high health care costs and solution within the system: https://bsky.app/profile/mcuban.bsky.social/post/[emoji639]lcxvn[emoji640]jb[emoji639]s[emoji638][emoji639]


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[fomofo]

That's some bad back pain, that's a bit different than the incel red/black pill types. Wonder how much drug dependence was involved.

If only could've gotten him a copy of this...



Might've saved a world of hurt.

[summit]

funny how those same frustrated people turn to people like jp, tucker, tech finance bros and then turn violent.

ideas like “replacement theory”, “enforced monogamy”, the whole cloth of elon’s nonsense are not fit for human consumption.

if core shot was 20 years younger he’d be the first copycat.


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I think you are doing a lot of conflation based on outlier followship without much actual understanding if you want to put JP in the same box as Fucker Traitorson. You really have lost the track if you think JP is preaching conspiracies like "replacement theory." Again, I'm not sure what you think "enforced monogamy" is... but I don't think we are operating on the same definition.

[plugboots]

A friend's brother is a dentist. Actually, the only dentist in a small town. He has his own Bell 206 helicopter.

Landing on peaks, asking the other heli for Grey Poupon...

Is your friend Brian O’Keefe?

[Dantheman]

Never let anyone cut your back except as a last resort

This. Also, life expectancy at birth is a terrible metric for judging the effectiveness of the healthcare system. Relative to other OECD countries, ours is dragged down by gun violence and other physical assault deaths, traffic fatalities, drug ODs, and infant mortality (typically attributed to poverty more than poor healthcare). If you live to 65, US life expectancy is #1 in the world.

[summit]

Agreed on NPs & PAs, and DNPs especially when given more legal autonomy. There's plenty of research showing equal or even better outcomes for patients with routine types of illness. The problem with the system now is an overreliance on the acute care sector:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK588063/

FYI, DNP is a degree, which may or not be clinical in nature (may not be a Nurse Practicioner).

The areas with the most restricted practice rights for NPs are the South, East, Midwest, TX, and CA. NPs are pretty unrestricted in the NW, Mountains, Great Plains, NE, and AK/HI.
https://www.aanp.org/advocacy/state/...ce-environment

[dan_pdx]

A friend's brother is a dentist. Actually, the only dentist in a small town. He has his own Bell 206 helicopter.

Landing on peaks, asking the other heli for Grey Poupon...

I mean, fuck yeah. He could be collecting shitty modern art, I'm glad he's doing something cool with his dentist money.

[jackstraw]

I mean, fuck yeah. He could be collecting shitty modern art, I'm glad he's doing something cool with his dentist money.

So you're anti artists? Cool.

[MultiVerse]

FYI, DNP is a degree, which may or not be clinical in nature (may not be a Nurse Practicioner).]

Yeah, typically it's a nurse or an NP who also becomes a DNP. There's also a movement to educate all future NPs as DNPs. Increasingly, roles that were once filled by NPs now list DNP as a requirement. As you already know doctors do a lot of administrative and coordination work when there's a health care team working with complicated patients. DNPs can take on some of that workload

[plugboots]

Long time ago, I twisted my ankle before a game and got a DNP.

[Ted Striker]

you have to fight trstriker to the death because i always confuse you two

Assuming that's a typo, and you mean TStriker, we are one and the same. During the last server fan meltdown I got locked out of this account, so I created the other. Now it's basically which device I'm using phone vs laptop (because I don't want to temp fate by logging out)

[Ted Striker]

Is your friend Brian O’Keefe?

So there are (at least) two flying dentists!

Nope, different guy.

[XXX-er]

Didn't alot of those old MD's worked crazy hrs I read that half the new MD's are women and they wana have kids & life balance so they work less/ share practises which must mean we need even more MDs cuz they aren't going to work 60 hrs a week like the old guys did ?

and most of those old guys smoked ?

[summit]

Yeah, typically it's a nurse or an NP who also becomes a DNP. There's also a movement to educate all future NPs as DNPs. Increasingly, roles that were once filled by NPs now list DNP as a requirement. As you know doctors do a lot of administrative and coordination work when there's a health care team working with complicated patients. DNPs can take on some of that workload

1. You cannot do DNP (nor MSN) without RN.

2. NP/CNM/CRNA may be MSN or DNP (DNAP for CRNA) prepared for entry-to-practice. There is little market demand nor pay increase for DNP over MSN. Most of the push is from nursing academia because getting people in school longer is $$$. However, since program differences for clinical DNPs have little extra clinical education over MSN, there is not much to sell except a title, and very little for compensation. It is (but doesn't have to be) credential inflation. DNP has little utilitity unless someone wants to teach for at uni or get into research.

3. DNP (and MSN) has a bunch of non-clinical tracks: management, education, leadership, informatics, research, and a bunch of other non-clinical specialties. So RNs wanting a higher degree, typically for pay raises/management/educator jobs, they go get a non-clinical MSN/DNP. They do not have to be NPs. This is very common. Majority of the MSN and DNPs I know are not NPs.