A year in Europe with kids... where would you go?

[funkendrenchman]

What would be your top picks that meet most or all of the following?

- Skiing is a must. Both kids are strong skiers. I love skiing with them, but a program option would be great.
- Reliable snow (for Europe)
- Skiing and mountain biking access from our accommodation.
- Kid friendly mountain bike trails would be a bonus.
- Nordic skiing and possibly a kids nordic ski program.
- Reliable internet.

- Kids are elementary age.
- English is our only language.
- Both kids would be attending school

[roQer]

Geneva. No skiing or mtb access from your accommodation though but your family will be very bored to spend one year in a ski resort town in Europe. You‘ll need international schools as well.

[skaredshtles]

Bolzano. Because Dolomites.

[singlesline]

Some of my mom's younger cousins did Switzerland like 10 years ago and I think it was great and the kids are better for it.

But it is highly dependent on your employment/visa situation. They did it via a job rotation at the multinational company he worked for which made the arrangements. The swiss are fairly persnickety about outsiders.

We have an American friend who is working in Geneva now and I think her husband is basically working under the table (despite having recent swiss heritage and family in the area!) because he can't get work authorization. His wife would have to have the equivalent of a green card for him to be granted an automatic work permit...and those are harder to get in Switzerland than the US even if she planned to stay forever.

[funkendrenchman]

Geneva. No skiing or mtb access from your accommodation though but your family will be very bored to spend one year in a ski resort town in Europe. You‘ll need international schools as well.

They'll be fine. We live in a resort town. No way we're moving to a big city.

[funkendrenchman]

Some of my mom's younger cousins did Switzerland like 10 years ago and I think it was great and the kids are better for it.

But it is highly dependent on your employment/visa situation. They did it via a job rotation at the multinational company he worked for which made the arrangements. The swiss are fairly persnickety about outsiders.

We have an American friend who is working in Geneva now and I think her husband is basically working under the table (despite having recent swiss heritage and family in the area!) because he can't get work authorization. His wife would have to have the equivalent of a green card for him to be granted an automatic work permit...and those are harder to get in Switzerland than the US even if she planned to stay forever.

Both of us would be working remotely.

[Buzzworthy]

Exciting! Good for you guys.

[Buster Highmen]

Briancon/Serre Chevalier/Via Lattea/La Grave all within 30 minutes.
Chur/Arosa-Lenzerheide/Klosters/Davos easy train/bus access in an hour + a ton more and easy access to Silvretta/Montafon. Even Klosters or Davos as well. Under the radar great skiing.
Luzern/Engelberg/all the outsane farmers lifts up around Haldigrat/Fell. Engelberg is big enough by itself and maybe you'll run into some mags there.
Innsbruck (never been, but looks super cool)
St. Moritz - it's what Aspen tries to be. Nutblowing skiing.
Andermatt is tiny but great skiing and has some kid resources,

[subtle plague]

What would be your top picks that meet most or all of the following?

- Skiing is a must. Both kids are strong skiers. I love skiing with them, but a program option would be great.
- Reliable snow (for Europe)
- Skiing and mountain biking access from our accommodation.
- Kid friendly mountain bike trails would be a bonus.
- Nordic skiing and possibly a kids nordic ski program.
- Reliable internet.

- Kids are elementary age.
- English is our only language.
- Both kids would be attending school

International schools limit the options?`You don't have one in most mountains towns i guess?
I'd say snow predictability and terrainwise NW switzerland. Lausanne/ Geneva have the schools but you spend time in traffic and muy muy expensivo.

For a true mountain village in NW Switz: Lötschental is small but nice and has a elementary school in town (though definitely not English speaking ). Loads of snow. Outside holidays and weekends its basically deserted. Good but not death defiying terrain. Gets toasted in spring though because of southern exposure.

If you work remote and home school, i would not go full French Hautes Alpes because its pretty far from everything and La Grave area is not super snow sure.

Resort town: As much as i hate the crowds i'd say Verbier isn't too bad because of many english speaking ex pats (with kids? no idea about school) and as an American the crowds might not seem that bad. Expensive as fuck as all the rich swiss guys from lausanne /geneva have second homes there and the internationals also bathe in champaign. But if you're used to Aspen that might still seem cheap?

German (speaking, not culture! they are really really thourough on that distinction!) Switzerland can work nicely and Luzern is only 25min (if yo're in a hurry) from Engelberg and 45 from Andermatt or 1h from the south side if it dumps there. School options( i guess...i have no idea). But also expensive. Engelberg itself has a pretty well regarded sport school, so you could actually live there. nice Mountain town. I have no idea how English students would fare and i think its Middle school and above only, i think (I looked it up.. there is a private school and the sport school, but i think only a normal swiss German elementary school).
Best terrain an snow in northern switz, but crowded. If you know your way around you can have still fun until 12:30. Hell..... even i still go there and i hate crowds.

Moritz probably has ex pats but only super expensive boarding schools around and is a gamble snowwise. I would not recommend that.

Innsbruck is crowded as fuck with very good skiers. I'd say probably the most American area crowdwise. Unless you're klar and tour exclusively i would not recommend it.

Davos should have school options( i guess? definitely german speaking elementary for free, but they also have this: https://www.samd.ch/en/school/primarschule. edit i see its only grade 5/6 so no real elementary ). Real mountain town. Good Biking in town. Skiing is good snow is semi reliable, though always less than in Engelberg. German speaking area. Pretty low key crowd wise.

[grskier]

I found this school:
https://garmischems.dodea.edu/

last time I thought of doing something similar

[Buster Highmen]

Martigny is not so pretty, but access to Verbier (30 minutes) and Cham (1 hour 45 minutes) is easy

[toast2266]

We (me, wife, 2 kids) are doing next summer in Bourg Saint Maurice, France.

Reasons:
1) the bike access there is incredible. A Funi and lots of lifts and buses to get you around the valley and up high. I don't mind pedaling, but I'd rather bump up high then ride from there than spend all day climbing from valley bottom. This factor ruled out most of Italy for us. There's pretty limited summer access at most of the Italian riding destinations.

2) It's semi reasonably priced. Switzerland has a lot of awesome options, but they're much, much more expensive.

3) It's a normal-ish (small) town. A lot of the resort towns feel pretty artificial. They're relatively newly constructed and they only exist for tourism. That can be nice for a short stay, but it's not really where I want to spend an extended period. Bourg has real grocery stores and stuff to do that's not just overpriced activities geared towards tourists.

4) Train access. A train into town means it's pretty easy to go on short trips to wherever. Also opens up cool riding options that involve finishing with a train ride back home.

Since we're just there for the summer, skiing isn't a factor for us. I haven't skied it, but Les Arcs sounds ok? Tignes / Val d'isere up valley sound better.

[subtle plague]

I found this school:
https://garmischems.dodea.edu/

last time I thought of doing something similar

The problem is: Skiing in Gap is slighjtly underwhelming.

[subtle plague]

We (me, wife, 2 kids) are doing next summer in Bourg Saint Maurice, France.

Reasons:
1) the bike access there is incredible. A Funi and lots of lifts and buses to get you around the valley and up high. I don't mind pedaling, but I'd rather bump up high then ride from there than spend all day climbing from valley bottom. This factor ruled out most of Italy for us. There's pretty limited summer access at most of the Italian riding destinations.

2) It's semi reasonably priced. Switzerland has a lot of awesome options, but they're much, much more expensive.

3) It's a normal-ish (small) town. A lot of the resort towns feel pretty artificial. They're relatively newly constructed and they only exist for tourism. That can be nice for a short stay, but it's not really where I want to spend an extended period. Bourg has real grocery stores and stuff to do that's not just overpriced activities geared towards tourists.

4) Train access. A train into town means it's pretty easy to go on short trips to wherever. Also opens up cool riding options that involve finishing with a train ride back home.

Since we're just there for the summer, skiing isn't a factor for us. I haven't skied it, but Les Arcs sounds ok? Tignes / Val d'isere up valley sound better.

The ski areas are top notch, but you spend time in traffic. It's really far from Tignes to St. Maurice, especially if it snows. But I agree Les arcs and rosiere are basically in town. Did you find english speaking schools in France? That is unheard of

[toast2266]

The ski areas are top notch, but you spend time in traffic. It's really far from Tignes to St. Maurice, especially if it snows. But I agree Les arcs and rosiere are basically in town. Did you find english speaking schools in France? That is unheard of

We didn't really pay attention to schools. Partly because we're only there for the summer, and partly because my kids will just be turning 5, so no school yet.

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[singlesline]

Both of us would be working remotely.

But do you have a solution to do that legally?

Switzerland (and most other countries) aren't going to let you stay for a year on a tourist visa. And definitely don't tell them you are working remotely at the border...they might not let you in (although it is europe...they might not even talk to you at the border).

Some countries like Portugal make it easier--but they don't really meet your requirements. France might be an option as they have some working visas that allow up to a year.

We (me, wife, 2 kids) are doing next summer in Bourg Saint Maurice, France.

Reasons:
1) the bike access there is incredible. A Funi and lots of lifts and buses to get you around the valley and up high. I don't mind pedaling, but I'd rather bump up high then ride from there than spend all day climbing from valley bottom. This factor ruled out most of Italy for us. There's pretty limited summer access at most of the Italian riding destinations.

2) It's semi reasonably priced. Switzerland has a lot of awesome options, but they're much, much more expensive.

3) It's a normal-ish (small) town. A lot of the resort towns feel pretty artificial. They're relatively newly constructed and they only exist for tourism. That can be nice for a short stay, but it's not really where I want to spend an extended period. Bourg has real grocery stores and stuff to do that's not just overpriced activities geared towards tourists.

4) Train access. A train into town means it's pretty easy to go on short trips to wherever. Also opens up cool riding options that involve finishing with a train ride back home.

Since we're just there for the summer, skiing isn't a factor for us. I haven't skied it, but Les Arcs sounds ok? Tignes / Val d'isere up valley sound better.

that sounds awesome!

[PNWbrit]

But do you have a solution to do that legally?

Switzerland (and most other countries) aren't going to let you stay for a year on a tourist visa. And definitely don't tell them you are working remotely at the border...they might not let you in (although it is europe...they might not even talk to you at the border).

Some countries like Portugal make it easier--but they don't really meet your requirements. France might be an option as they have some working visas that allow up to a year.

This.

And at the OP

Both kids would be attending school

Also highly doubtful you'll get away with this.

"Oh you're here probably illegally overstaying a tourist visa and you want us to educate your kids while you work remotely? Of course, no problem sir!"

Edit: "can we also interest your family in some of our most excellently socialized medicine?"

[plugboots]

^^^ I was wondering this. Good luck.

[funkendrenchman]

This.

And at the OP



Also highly doubtful you'll get away with this.

"Oh you're here probably illegally overstaying a tourist visa and you want us to educate your kids while you work remotely? Of course, no problem sir!"

It would likely be more like 6 months than a full year. How difficult is it to get a visa to work there remotely for 6 months?

[PNWbrit]

It would likely be more like 6 months than a full year. How difficult is it to get a visa to work there remotely for 6 months?

Sorry, I was confused by your thread title's ambiguity in this regard.

Depends on where the "there" is.

Anything from impossible - thru possible if done illicitly - up to perhaps maybe.

[m2711c]

They want you to leave in 90 days…



fact.

[skaredshtles]

They want you to leave in 90 days…



fact.

This. 90 days in any 6m period, at least in the Schengen zone.

[singlesline]

It would likely be more like 6 months than a full year. How difficult is it to get a visa to work there remotely for 6 months?

Use the "digital nomad" search term. Some countries are much easier (like Portugal which is practically begging for productive people to come) and others are basically impossible (like Switzerland where you need a local company to hire you and specifically justify exactly why they are hiring you and not a native).

France or Germany might be doable as long as you are doing this with your remote employer's full blessing and they will cooperate/provide documentation.

For schools, you probably need to be somewhere with some sort of "International School" ($$$$) which limits your town choices a lot...you're not gonna be enrolling your english speaking kids in local public schools.

[beer30]

I found this school:
[url]https://garmischems.dodea.edu/[/url

last time I thought of doing something similar

Join the army and get stationed in Garmisch and your kids are in!

[TOLOCOMan]

Briancon sounds like a good choice for the majority of your needs. Good road and mtb riding. Decent, (sometimes great) skiing nearby. Good xc ski team as well.

Other honorable mentions would be Bourg St Maurice. Actually, I'd probably put it on par with Briancon thinking about it.

Multiple places in the Dolomites would be excellent for the biking and xc skiing, but can be limited to more groomer skiing at times snow wise.