'Rona back in the hizzy

[skaredshtles]

<snip> according to an ex-girlfriend, I’m off-gassing the vaccine to those around me.

So she is batshit-crazy, then. Good to know.

[The Reverend Floater]

Unpopular opinion: Aside from folks with higher risk or living with high risk people, I guess I don't see the benefit of continued boosters. Yes, COVID is very contagious and I've always generally been a pro vax person but what's a booster going to do for you? At this point in its evolution, it's a virus with a name that generally causes flu like symptoms, as unpleasant as they are.

I guess I tend to err towards TH's take that I can't find anything really supporting clinical benefit.

Test? Sure...when I got sick last month, I tested and then sequestered my snotty ass to minimize transmission (out of sheer respect if nothing else) but I don't see the benefit of continued boosters.

[skaredshtles]

What I’m experiencing right now sure as heck isn’t a regular cold. The covy test strip lit up last week, negative now but still feeling like shlt.

AR, as usual, is providing the hot-take of the moran-class.

[skaredshtles]

Unpopular opinion: Aside from folks with higher risk or living with high risk people, I guess I don't see the benefit of continued boosters. Yes, COVID is very contagious and I've always generally been a pro vax person but what's a booster going to do for you? At this point in its evolution, it's a virus with a name that generally causes flu like symptoms, as unpleasant as they are.

I see it as not-guaranteed insurance against puking and peeing out my butt for a couple weeks. Just like I view the flu vax. And since I'll be there already to get the flu vax, stick me in the other arm with the booster.

[bennymac]

Sometimes I wonder if people forget colds existed before 2020.

“Put me in the deepest recesses of my bed for 3 days”

“I was barfing and pissing out of my ass”

Yeah - sounds like a classic back to school cold! (to those of us who are fucking idiots)

Thankfully this “cold” virus is no longer leading to refrigerator trucks full of corpses and mass graves and overwhelmed hospitals.

[bennymac]

So she is batshit-crazy, then. Good to know.

It was good to know. I saw the signs well before she went off the deep end. Hopefully she can someday snap out of it.

[Danno]

Unpopular opinion: Aside from folks with higher risk or living with high risk people, I guess I don't see the benefit of continued boosters. Yes, COVID is very contagious and I've always generally been a pro vax person but what's a booster going to do for you? At this point in its evolution, it's a virus with a name that generally causes flu like symptoms, as unpleasant as they are.

I guess I tend to err towards TH's take that I can't find anything really supporting clinical benefit.

Test? Sure...when I got sick last month, I tested and then sequestered my snotty ass to minimize transmission (out of sheer respect if nothing else) but I don't see the benefit of continued boosters.

I assume you also don't get the flu shot? As a virus that generally causes flu like symptoms, well, flu like symptoms suck. So if taking a shot in the Fall can hopefully reduce the severity of those flu-like symptoms, sign me up!

[Thaleia]

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I’ll gladly trade a day of feeling like shit post booster than a week or 2 (or longer) of peeing out my ass and no ability to exercise.

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This. Prior to covid I was riding five or six days a week and pushing longer distances. Was on track to do the longest rides I've ever done by the end of summer.

Since then I've ridden maybe 15 times. Smaller distances and it just destroys me afterwards. Months later and I still have lower energy overall.

I've spent ~ten years getting my weight under control. This year I've been my trimmest since highschool. Now it's slowly coming back.

[skaredshtles]

It was good to know. I saw the signs well before she went off the deep end. Hopefully she can someday snap out of it.

That's unlikely. Morans generally dig in and double-down. Like they REFUSE to do better. Ah, well - so it goes...

[Buzzworthy]

Maybe a more relevant, but possibly unpopular opinion, is have you had covid? I'm guessing once or twice, or maybe three times. If so, what clinical benefit do you hope to obtain from another booster at your age, health, etc? I'm guessing clinical benefit would be next to 'nil.

This is pretty much my take too. Had it twice that showed a positive test, haven't had a booster since Dec 2021 and the only reason I actually thought about this booster is the company clinic.

[yeahman]

This. Prior to covid I was riding five or six days a week and pushing longer distances. Was on track to do the longest rides I've ever done by the end of summer.

Since then I've ridden maybe 15 times. Smaller distances and it just destroys me afterwards. Months later and I still have lower energy overall.

I've spent ~ten years getting my weight under control. This year I've been my trimmest since highschool. Now it's slowly coming back.

When you got the rona how long had it been since your last booster?

[Thaleia]

eight or nine months. Was on a waiting list for Novavax (was hoping to avoid the mRNA vaccine as they hit me pretty hard) and pushed my luck too long.

[alias_rice]

My company is doing a clinic this fall, but I am only doing the flu vaccine this year. Moderna #2 and booster #1 both took me out for about 36 hours. Those 2 shots were easily the sickest I have been in the past 15 years, and I have no desire to do it again.

[Harry]

Work is having a flu/covid shot clinic Friday. Do I get both? I only ever got the first 2 shots and one booster, been since 2021 since I got one.

I did both at once last fall, Covid shot in one arm, flu shot in the other arm. Did not get sick with either disease for 12 months. Planning to do both shots the exact same in the next week or so.


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[Not DJSapp]

Unpopular opinion: Aside from folks with higher risk or living with high risk people, I guess I don't see the benefit of continued boosters. Yes, COVID is very contagious and I've always generally been a pro vax person but what's a booster going to do for you? At this point in its evolution, it's a virus with a name that generally causes flu like symptoms, as unpleasant as they are.

I guess I tend to err towards TH's take that I can't find anything really supporting clinical benefit.

Test? Sure...when I got sick last month, I tested and then sequestered my snotty ass to minimize transmission (out of sheer respect if nothing else) but I don't see the benefit of continued boosters.

Feel slightly shitty for a day after the shot, or roll the dice that you'll piss shit out of your ass for a week and be bedridden. Sure the odds are low, but that sucks.

And as far as the whole 'wE DoNT KnOW WHat's IN iT?!?!?' crowd, I've partied with maggots before. Y'all put all kinds of shit into your bodies that are way worse than the vax. Your body is a temple, until someone passes you a tequila shot and a bong, and then you're microdosing in the parking lot of a waffle house.

[bodywhomper]

I’m still covid-free as far as I’m aware. I’ll be getting novavax again this year, likely in a few weeks prior to a large week-long work meeting that’ll involve lots of travel. Last year, I had no noticeable side effects to the novavax, while was laid up in bed for several days from the mRNA vaxes.

Topol seems to summarize the reason with some links to clinical(?) rationale, “Our best defense against Long Covid is not to get Covid. Our second best known defense is to be vaccinated. The better the vaccine, the less Long Covid risk.” https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the...le-covid-virus

[jackattack]

I have a 1 year old in daycare. I'm sick every other week, sometimes every week. My immune system is peaking.

I will absolutely get boosted when the time comes, along with the flu shot.

[Trackhead]

Underwhelming, certainly for most here who are not in the over 65 category. Less than 10 hospitalizations per 100,000 for < 65yrs old. So I wonder what the NNT (number needed to treat) is for the vaccine at this point to have clinically meaningful benefit? Would be curious, but hard to find recent studies.

[Dexter Rutecki]

I assume you also don't get the flu shot? As a virus that generally causes flu like symptoms, well, flu like symptoms suck. So if taking a shot in the Fall can hopefully reduce the severity of those flu-like symptoms, sign me up!

So I had never had a flu shot ("I've had the flu before, it's not so bad!") until after 2012 when there had been this particularly bad strain going around (I think it was 2012, somewhere around there--lots of old people were dying from the flu). I got knocked on my ass in a way that I never had before--like 48 hours of semi-conscious delirium, except I didn't have enough energy to act delirious. No clue if it was day or night, thought I might have to be hospitalized but a doc friend told me they might not be able to do much for me. I really started to wonder if I might die (and was so out of it that I kind of didn't care).

That's what made me decide to get flu shots. I really don't want to have that kind of experience again. My understanding is the covid boosters give you a pretty good shot for at least four or five months of having relatively minimal symptoms if you get infected (and especially early on you have good odds of resisting an infection). Seemed to have worked for me based on my one time catching covid almost two years ago--felt like a bad head cold and until I tested I really didn't think it was covid. I tend to think that having had all the available shots helped make it so mild, so yeah, I'm planning on getting the new one (which I also understand is considered a good match for what's going around right now).

[Mofro261]

I’m still covid-free as far as I’m aware. I’ll be getting novavax again this year, likely in a few weeks prior to a large week-long work meeting that’ll involve lots of travel. Last year, I had no noticeable side effects to the novavax, while was laid up in bed for several days from the mRNA vaxes.

Topol seems to summarize the reason with some links to clinical(?) rationale, “Our best defense against Long Covid is not to get Covid. Our second best known defense is to be vaccinated. The better the vaccine, the less Long Covid risk.” https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the...le-covid-virus

Pretty decent data suggests the rates of Long Covid have fallen off a cliff with the new variants vs any variant before Omicron.

And the Novavax shot for this season was made with an older JN.1 strain, not one of the newer FLiRT's now circulating, as it's harder/slower to change up a protein vax vs an RNA based one.

Ancedotely I know several people who had never caught the Rona (and some that assumed they had super immunity based on level of frequent exposure) get it in the last ~2 months.

Yes, there are 4 other coronaviruses we don't vaccinate against that cause mild cold like symptoms in most people except for those who are immune compromised.

Given the vax starts waning at 4 weeks and loses efficacy at 3 mos now, I am not lining up to get a months worth of bonus protection at this time.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Wow, that's not very good. I had read that the duration was better than that...am guessing when they went into production they didn't know how short lived it would be?

[jackattack]

Pretty decent data suggests the rates of Long Covid have fallen off a cliff with the new variants vs any variant before Omicron.

And the Novavax shot for this season was made with an older JN.1 strain, not one of the newer FLiRT's now circulating, as it's harder/slower to change up a protein vax vs an RNA based one.

Ancedotely I know several people who had never caught the Rona (and some that assumed they had super immunity based on level of frequent exposure) get it in the last ~2 months.

Yes, there are 4 other coronaviruses we don't vaccinate against that cause mild cold like symptoms in most people except for those who are immune compromised.

Given the vax starts waning at 4 weeks and loses efficacy at 3 mos now, I am not lining up to get a months worth of bonus protection at this time.

Is this take directed at the Novavax approach specifically or are you also addressing the efficacy of the mRNA vaccines that are targeting KP.2?

I generally wait until November to get my boosters to have full effect through the holidays, but I too have had positive outcomes from the Moderna boosters I've had the past 2 year.

[Cisco Kid]

Underwhelming, certainly for most here who are not in the over 65 category. Less than 10 hospitalizations per 100,000 for < 65yrs old. So I wonder what the NNT (number needed to treat) is for the vaccine at this point to have clinically meaningful benefit? Would be curious, but hard to find recent studies.

Oh Shit!!
Booster may be like taking chicken soup for a cold in a way. May not cure it but it couldn't hurt. Had all the shots on time. So far I've not had a reaction. Have not had covid AFAIK. Slept with my wife when she had it bad for a few days early in the pandemic. Getting the new booster this week.

[Dexter Rutecki]

FWIW CDC and infectious disease guys (at places like Yale and JHU) are still saying get the booster, so I'm inclined to do so. Not much downside, I guess.

[bennymac]

Underwhelming, certainly for most here who are not in the over 65 category. Less than 10 hospitalizations per 100,000 for < 65yrs old. So I wonder what the NNT (number needed to treat) is for the vaccine at this point to have clinically meaningful benefit? Would be curious, but hard to find recent studies.

I’d wager the vast, vast majority of middle aged athletic people suffering from long covid never even went to the ER with their covid let alone got hospitalized with it.

Pissing out your ass for 2 weeks and not being able to run 5 miles wouldn’t lead to hospitalization in an otherwise healthy person - but that’s not at all reassuring enough to say “meh covid is no big deal anymore”