That’s it...it’s time to play G.O.T.O.S.

[MontuckyFried]

geo tracker > sxs by alot…

fact.

YUP!!! Like 1/4 the price and you can actually take them into town if you want. When you look at those SxS's it is INSANE how much they're charging considering their construction. There must be HUDGE markup (from manufacturing to end sales) with those relative to normal vehicles. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they're fun and all. Just no way am I dropping the 20-30 Gs many of them go for these days.

[adrenalated]

I'm sure they're fun and all.

We have a couple SxS for SAR... one of them is a brand new RZR. They're great for what we're using them for but they're not really that fun IMO. Capable yes, but just loud and boring otherwise.
I'd much rather have a dirt bike or a Jeep or an ATV or basically anything else for motorized fun.

[Cruiser]

It depends on your use case. A newer rzr is ridiculously capable off road. Short wheel base, very light weight, no blind spots, plenty of grunt, plenty of clearance. They'll go pretty much wherever you point em. In my experience none of the modded jeeps can keep up with them in the rocks and it's really not close as they are purpose built for that stuff. I've never been to the dunes with them but I hear that's a hoot as well.

[anotherVTskibum]

It depends on your use case. A newer rzr is ridiculously capable off road. Short wheel base, very light weight, no blind spots, plenty of grunt, plenty of clearance. They'll go pretty much wherever you point em. In my experience none of the modded jeeps can keep up with them in the rocks and it's really not close as they are purpose built for that stuff. I've never been to the dunes with them but I hear that's a hoot as well.

I've never driven a modern SxS, but from what I've seen, they offer better off-road value per dollar versus a new Jeep (or what have you) precisely because they didn't have to make any engineering compromises for road handling, federal road vehicle standards, etc.

Comparing a brand new SxS to a Samurai from a decade ago for dollar value doesn't seem apples to apples to me.

That said, I'd buy an old rig for woods use before I'd spring for a SxS, but Maine doesn't generally allow the latter on the road. If I were still in Montana, my opinion on the matter might differ.

[MarsB]

Comparing a brand new SxS to a Samurai from a decade ago...

Try 3 decades ago. Samurais haven't been produced for the US market since the mid-90s.

[m2711c]

^^^ fact. mines old enough now for vintage plates, but if did i wouldn’t be able to daily drive it anymore.

[Name Redacted]

Razors are super fun when you are in them, driving them, and especially when they don’t belong to you. My friends have some and the ones I have driven are nuts.

But if you are not riding in one. They are obnoxious. And the people who seem to gravitate to them are generally the members of the general public who I do not really enjoy their company.

They have also fucked up off-roading for the rest of the members of the off-road community who have been around for some time and generally understand and abide by the rules. Huge swaths of trails in the desert are being shut down, mainly because of UTVs being assholes.

[anotherVTskibum]

Huge swaths of trails in the desert are being shut down, mainly because of UTVs being operated by assholes.

Update and emphasis mine, but I think the point you referred to earlier in the paragraph is the biggest part of the issue--those machines are particularly good at enabling people to get lots of places without a whole lot of learning curve, and to add insult to injury, they make it relatively easy to do it at a high rate of speed and with a packed cooler.

As much as I dislike a lot of behavior associated with the SxS crowd, I'd be willing to bet that a lot of those shutdowns would be happening either way due to more people in the great outdoors and more pressure to shut down motorized access, ironically in part because of newbie non-motorized users who don't understand that motorized access is what allows a nontrivial amount of road and trail mileage to exist. I've done trail work on foot and also with access to my truck, and you can guess which one makes it easier to grab the chainsaw for a blow down.

[muted reborn]

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of those shutdowns would be happening either way due to more people in the great outdoors and more pressure to shut down motorized access

I'd bet you are mostly wrong. Do you live out West? it's a different SxS scene out here, and a huge amount of roads are closed to these things but open to other motorized users.

[anotherVTskibum]

I'd bet you are mostly wrong. Do you live out West? it's a different SxS scene out here, and a huge amount of roads are closed to these things but open to other motorized users.

I lived in Montana for four years but am back in New England now. Where I was in Montana, SxS were allowed on any of the USFS roads and most of the motorized trails; I've tried to continue paying attention to Travel planning and MVUM stuff out there but could easily have missed changes. What I have seen for changes have largely been restrictions applied to all motorized traffic; as one data point, all the alternatives in the CGNF master planning reduced motorized footprint to varying degrees, aside from the "no action" alternative. I realize that there are other places (eg Moab area) that see an entirely different level of off-road usage.

Now I'm in Maine, where most of the OHV trails are primarily on private land and a significant number of clubs still believe that dirt bike riders are the root of all evil, but SxS rigs that weigh as much as some road vehicles are fine.

[muted reborn]

I lived in Montana for four years but am back in New England now. Where I was in Montana, SxS were allowed on any of the USFS roads and most of the motorized trails; I've tried to continue paying attention to Travel planning and MVUM stuff out there but could easily have missed changes. What I have seen for changes have largely been restrictions applied to all motorized traffic; as one data point, all the alternatives in the CGNF master planning reduced motorized footprint to varying degrees, aside from the "no action" alternative. I realize that there are other places (eg Moab area) that see an entirely different level of off-road usage.

Now I'm in Maine, where most of the OHV trails are primarily on private land and a significant number of clubs still believe that dirt bike riders are the root of all evil, but SxS rigs that weigh as much as some road vehicles are fine.

Well, now I realize I'm seeing things through my myopic Utah eye so maybe in some place you are mostly right and others mostly wrong? In Utah there are a ton of open places that allow SxS but recently there have been specific banning of SxS on certain BLM roads, and not always along with banning of all vehicles. Also 5 years ago they banned only them in some National Parks like The Maze, Needles, White Rim / Island in the Sky, and Arches. Not that Arches mattered but the rest does.

I can't say I have a firm grasp of every recent 600+ page BLM road assessment and rulings across Utah so maybe in the big picture I'm mostly wrong.

[anotherVTskibum]

Well, now I realize I'm seeing things through my myopic Utah eye so maybe in some place you are mostly right and others mostly wrong? In Utah there are a ton of open places that allow SxS but recently there have been specific banning of SxS on certain BLM roads, and not always along with banning of all vehicles. Also 5 years ago they banned only them in some National Parks like The Maze, Needles, White Rim / Island in the Sky, and Arches. Not that Arches mattered but the rest does.

I can't say I have a firm grasp of every recent 600+ page BLM road assessment and rulings across Utah so maybe in the big picture I'm mostly wrong.

I'm sure there's variance from place to place and agency to agency, although I'd bet on an overall trend towards less motorized access. More people, better tech and info access making backcountry of various types more accessible, and land area not increasing seems pretty consistent.

[evdog]

This guy gets an extra point for going beyond the usual with a BBQ on a hitch mounted swingout



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[hawkgt]

This guy gets an extra point for going beyond the usual with a BBQ on a hitch mounted swingout



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I would use the shit out of it in ski season. I got a pos grill that lives in my truck bed along with my box kitchen.

[evdog]

Solid specimen yesterday parked at a tourist trailhead. Most impressive was the matching padlocks on everything.



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[axebiker]

That's a pretty shiny transaxle for an off-roader...

[MontuckyFried]

[Harry]

^^ JD ?


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[stealurface831]

so those are rubber ducks they have on their dash? the wave wasn't stupid enough for them?

[JohnF]

https://youtu.be/9GNT8QXJIJM?si=r97-usFfYY1Hjuw8

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[Cisco Kid]

Some of them do go off the road.

[m2711c]

reverse is not an option…

[Skistack]

Oh boy, I finally get to use my recovery rope!


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[MontuckyFried]

Dude's getting a real world lesson about vertical CG!

[halliday]

so those are rubber ducks they have on their dash? the wave wasn't stupid enough for them?

What the fuck is the wave all about? I bought a Jeep in '17 and had a ton of people waving to me on the way home from the dealership. I had no idea what was going on. I have a '68 Land Rover Series II A and I definitely get when other Rover guys wave just because of how unique the vehicle is. But Jeeps? C'mon.