Rossignol Black Ops?

[Skeeze]

I haven’t skied my Black Ops 118s in chopped up pow yet, but did compare them to 184 Deathwishes in deep slush at Mammoth this spring and the BO118s are way more damp and happy to plow through anything. They are, of course, also less nimble than the Deathwishes, but if you want the monster truck feel, they seem to nail that.

[Dantheman]

I always wonder if these 2300+ gram skis are just too much for my 160lbs

Maybe give yer balls a tug?

[kid-kapow]

hm, color me surprised - I've always thought that the OG BO118 had titanal underfoot. It doesn't - they are identical to the swamps sans the graphic. The graphic looks a lot better in person when it is your ski though - I've never really liked it before when seen ridden by other.

I have not compared their flex patterns yet - I have a broken arm and that move is not comfortable.

And no, SnowMachine, a +2300 gram ski just skis the difficult snow for you. Sure, they are heavy underfoot, but the weight is a lot less noticable at speed and their mass means that you do not have to do all of the work like you would have to on lighter skis. I simply do not comprehend why so many people ski bent120 and similar skis in resorts, especially where the snow is on the denser side of things. Light skis are fun, but they make you do ALL of the work when you are not in the air.

[SnowMachine]

Moment Chipotle Banana

Def on my radar.

[SnowMachine]

What length Blade Optic 114 are you on? I'm on the 186 and they feel like a Mini Cooper whereas the Black Ops 118 feels like a Humvee. For Sierra pow, the Black Ops 118 would be a great choice.

186. I like them, but don't love them. I like the Deathwish better in that slot. They handle chop almost as well, but are really drifty and poppy.

I think the Black Ops might be worth the weight if they deliver the buttery smooth ride people say they do.

[SnowMachine]

Maybe give yer balls a tug?

Ha.... I've skied quite a few heavier skis lately (Friend, Hotshot, Enforcer 110, Blade Optic 114, Commander 102).

I've also skied Bent 100's and 120's.

I've been having a lot of fun on skis that drop in the middle. I have the 104 and 112 Deathwishes right now and the giggle factor is pretty high.

I want to ski the BO.

[Gnar_Shralp406]

Maybe give yer balls a tug?

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[kid-kapow]

yup - for science!

The experiment got a premature end - I figured there was no real utility in trying them back to back with the swamps (that I love) as they are the same ski, so I sold them mounted with some new pivot 15 f3.0s to a friend at break-even. Win-win - I already got him hooked on SF110s They do look tasty though.



And yeah, Forza 3.0s prob match Swamps better, and the Harlauts that are on the swamps def would look killer on these - but contrast is nice too

[JRainey]

I just want to come with a confession that I didn't really weigh myself over the winter, and when I was saying 175lbs, I was really 190lbs.... tubby.

No wonder they bend so easy :-) I'm back on the program, so hopefully I can be reporting about the performance at 160lbs next winter. Fighting weight is 155, jesus!

It's pretty incredible how being thick doesn't fuck with your skiing, I had some career performance highs this winter, even if I was wishing that Gore-Tex was stretchy...

I will defend the BC120 in dense snow, the flex and shape of that ski really have magical qualities for the weight. As far as skis that don't make sense: the BO118 is the heavyweight champ, BC120 is the Undisputed Featherweight Champion of the World (pre this year).

[pembyguy]

Just put my new in plastic 118 swamps up for sale. 580CAD I’m in the whistler area.


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[FloridaSnow]

I’ve always been super disappointed I didn’t snag a pair of the super black ops limiteds.

[forumskier]

https://www.newschoolers.com/ski-gea...er-Blackops-98

They look even better for this upcoming season. You can even match up some Pivots with the same new colorway.

[FloridaSnow]

https://www.newschoolers.com/ski-gea...er-Blackops-98

They look even better for this upcoming season. You can even match up some Pivots with the same new colorway.

ya I don’t love the news one. Reminds me of the child hood paper cups we all had.

preferred the previous ones which were made to match the Pitt viper pivots.

[forumskier]

I'm liking the new ones, I may grab a set if I get the chance at a good price. The new pivot colorway would look awesome on HL FR110s.

[FloridaSnow]

I'm liking the new ones, I may grab a set if I get the chance at a good price. The new pivot colorway would look awesome on HL FR110s.

the new pivots are nice. I do agree. The blue steel color is also nice. Just don’t like the letter style they used on it. But that’s trivial at best. If you do get the skis you better only be drinking out of these.

[forumskier]

the new pivots are nice. I do agree. The blue steel color is also nice. Just don’t like the letter style they used on it. But that’s trivial at best. If you do get the skis you better only be drinking out of these.

Lol the cup. I was thinking more this



But the cup is more accurate. If I had the money to buy a sport boat and custom paint job, I wouldn’t deviate far from the cup.

I’m a 90s kid and those colors feel warm and welcoming for me. Must be the reason.

[gaijin]

I'm sure it's a phenomenal ski, but anytime the graphic designers isolate their customer base, there's gonna be feedback.

I wouldn't be able to own this ski because it looks like Taco Bell to me. Or-- maybe I could convince myself to come around and embrace the fact that I ate taco bell everyday after school in the 90's.

Kinda like Key Lime Pie, or blue cheese... It grows on you.

[forumskier]

Gaijin, I love that colorway. Flamboyant, but totally puts my mind at ease. I want a house in the Florida Keys and a boat with that paint job when I'm flush. You're all invited down in the summer.

I finally got a pair of the 98s. Lone Pine in SLC had some 2022 192 Holy Shreds with NX 12 Demo bindings, in excellent shape for $149 plus ship. Way too good of a deal to pass up, I love Lone Pine. I've browsed on their site every couple weeks for years now, but this is my first order.

I've been thinking about buying the 192 98s for a while now, easily putting multiple hours into research on info I already "knew". Wasting time, therefore wasting $$$, overthinking analysis paralysis. Also debating them against M6 Mantras lately. Finally I found the deal I was waiting for, made it all worth it. If I really like, them I'll grab a backup set before they are gone.

PSA: Lone Pine still has some crazy demo ski deals left, in a bunch of different sizes. I'm still tempted by a few, but I've blown my wad for the year.

[FloridaSnow]

Gaijin, I love that colorway. Flamboyant, but totally puts my mind at ease. I want a house in the Florida Keys and a boat with that paint job when I'm flush. You're all invited down in the summer.

I finally got a pair of the 98s. Lone Pine in SLC had some 2022 192 Holy Shreds with NX 12 Demo bindings, in excellent shape for $149 plus ship. Way too good of a deal to pass up, I love Lone Pine. I've browsed on their site every couple weeks for years now, but this is my first order.

I've been thinking about buying the 192 98s for a while now, easily putting multiple hours into research on info I already "knew". Wasting time, therefore wasting $$$, overthinking analysis paralysis. Also debating them against M6 Mantras lately. Finally I found the deal I was waiting for, made it all worth it. If I really like, them I'll grab a backup set before they are gone.

PSA: Lone Pine still has some crazy demo ski deals left, in a bunch of different sizes. I'm still tempted by a few, but I've blown my wad for the year.

one of my local spots.

[tragicsolitude]

5'9" 200+lbs. I'm a few years removed from college athletics and keeping up with the training, hence the weight.

Grew up racing, but I'm more all-mountain freestyle oriented now.

Just bought a pair of BO118s and they should be exactly what I'm looking for.

SF110s @ 184cm (straight pull ~182) felt WAY too short mounted on the line with fresh snow and were too light, but were fun in the park.

On the other hand, SF110s @ 191cm (straight pull around 188 I think) felt a bit too long for my liking if I was trying to be playful and incorporate butters or ski in the trees -- which there are a lot of here, both steep and mellow on the way back to the chair after more serious lines. Very solid and composed when it came to the steeps, cliffs, and throwing 3s & backies. Probably should have tried detuning the tips and tails but I'm an idiot and didn't think of that until I took my bindings off.

I've been reading everyone's experiences with the BO118 and trying to figure out where I'm going to mount them...

Feeling like I may go -1 from the forward line, which would put me in similar territory to the SF mount points.

Landing switch in deep snow is important to me, so i don't want to sacrifice that, but also want to avoid how the 184cm SF110s felt.

Thoughts?

[forumskier]

one of my local spots.

Nice! I was down in Southern Florida for 6 weeks during the tail end of this spring. I love Miami and the Keys so much, I've spent a lot of time there. These colors are much more popular in that area, so maybe that also has something to do with my love for them.

5'9" 200+lbs. I'm a few years removed from college athletics and keeping up with the training, hence the weight.

Grew up racing, but I'm more all-mountain freestyle oriented now.

Just bought a pair of BO118s and they should be exactly what I'm looking for.

SF110s @ 184cm (straight pull ~182) felt WAY too short mounted on the line with fresh snow and were too light, but were fun in the park.

On the other hand, SF110s @ 191cm (straight pull around 188 I think) felt a bit too long for my liking if I was trying to be playful and incorporate butters or ski in the trees -- which there are a lot of here, both steep and mellow on the way back to the chair after more serious lines. Very solid and composed when it came to the steeps, cliffs, and throwing 3s & backies. Probably should have tried detuning the tips and tails but I'm an idiot and didn't think of that until I took my bindings off.

I've been reading everyone's experiences with the BO118 and trying to figure out where I'm going to mount them...

Feeling like I may go -1 from the forward line, which would put me in similar territory to the SF mount points.

Landing switch in deep snow is important to me, so i don't want to sacrifice that, but also want to avoid how the 184cm SF110s felt.

Thoughts?

I mounted mine at -3.5 from true center so I could ski them switch more. I'm not great at switch pow, but the skis themselves definitely are. I was 225lbs on them last season, although much lighter now.

[forumskier]

The Holy Shreds look fun! Definitely a lot softer in hand than Wildcat 108s, both torsionally and longitudinally. Hand flexing can sometimes mean jack squat tho. I wanted softer tho, the Wildcats aren’t as buttery as I want in a true “freestyle” twin.

I can see how the HShreds should offer more vibration damping, they have that rubbery feel, but I’ll be surprised if they are actually as stable as WC at highest speeds. If they are anywhere close I’ll be very happy, but I also don’t mind trading a little stability for that buttery feel in certain skis.

I loved 187 Menace 98s, but those were slightly short for me (but fun), and these remind me of a longer version. Definitely are flatter, and seem more damp than old Kung Fujas.

I want a more fun, less precise version of M4 Mantra that can ski switch better, and these seem exactly that. First day of the season I’ll be experimenting with these Holy Shreds

[kid-kapow]

The Holy Shreds look fun! Definitely a lot softer in hand than Wildcat 108s, both torsionally and longitudinally. Hand flexing can sometimes mean jack squat tho. I wanted softer tho, the Wildcats aren’t as buttery as I want in a true “freestyle” twin.

I can see how the HShreds should offer more vibration damping, they have that rubbery feel, but I’ll be surprised if they are actually as stable as WC at highest speeds. If they are anywhere close I’ll be very happy, but I also don’t mind trading a little stability for that buttery feel in certain skis.

I will be surprised if BO98s are not more stable than WC108sa at mach schnell. A lot of their perceived "softness" comes from the rubber tips/tails - at least on my pair - aka the parts ahead/aft of the contact points that are not particularly stout, yet the softness forward/aft of the contact points does not translate to noodlyness on snow in my experience. No, they are no beasts, but still fairly stable - especially for what they are. They are fairly supportive underfoot.

I quite liked WC108s, but I do not remember them being particularly damp (aka that they are on par with most other 108ish skis I've tried, so that they did not stand out for being damp). The BO98's rubber + titanal should make for a damper ride, as will the significantly longer effective edge. According to SoothSki BO98s are a bit softer lengthwise than Bibby 190s, but pretty comparable torsionally. Bibbys should be a fair bit stiffer than WC108s. And in this case being slightly softer should make for increased compliancy / traction / smoothness.

[kc_7777]

I’ve been contemplating the 182 BO98. They’re $470CDN right now.

I love my 180 Season Aero 96…which are -3.5 mount, pretty much full camber, straight pull at 179.

Anyone got a straight pull on the 2024 182 BO98? I seem to remember reading on Blister the old 182 Holyshred 98 was 179.2?



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[forumskier]

I will be surprised if BO98s are not more stable than WC108sa at mach schnell. A lot of their perceived "softness" comes from the rubber tips/tails - at least on my pair - aka the parts ahead/aft of the contact points that are not particularly stout, yet the softness forward/aft of the contact points does not translate to noodlyness on snow in my experience. No, they are no beasts, but still fairly stable - especially for what they are. They are fairly supportive underfoot.

I quite liked WC108s, but I do not remember them being particularly damp (aka that they are on par with most other 108ish skis I've tried, so that they did not stand out for being damp). The BO98's rubber + titanal should make for a damper ride, as will the significantly longer effective edge. According to SoothSki BO98s are a bit softer lengthwise than Bibby 190s, but pretty comparable torsionally. Bibbys should be a fair bit stiffer than WC108s. And in this case being slightly softer should make for increased compliancy / traction / smoothness.

I think I got a stiff/heavy pair of WC108s, slightly more than average. I have nothing major to base that on, besides my experience on them versus everyone else's I read about. I find my WC108s super stable like comp skis, almost as fast as my Katana 108s (WC are more “predictable” at those high speeds too with the longer radius). WC108s definitely not the most damp ski, but damp enough for me to never complain anywhere on the mountain in any condition.

Other reviews I read don’t find them as stable as I do. Still stable, but not comp ski stability. They rip for me, and they aren’t super forgiving. I never detuned mine, and they feel like they are barely even broken in after a week or so.

I love them. Honestly if I had to pick 1 ski from my quiver to compete on in Big Mountain Freeride/Freestyle, I’d pick Wildcat 108s. They NEVER do anything I don’t tell them to.





Even in these Powder reviews, they mention “ Stout ski..Stable…Charger” for BO98, and then “Playful…Nimble..etc” for WC108

The video of the BO98 the dude is ripping. They were my cheapest ski purchase this season, but my most intriguing. Glad I got some demo binders on them to figure out mount point too. First day of the season I’ll be on Holy Shreds

I’ve been contemplating the 182 BO98. They’re $470CDN right now.

I love my 180 Season Aero 96…which are -3.5 mount, pretty much full camber, straight pull at 179.

Anyone got a straight pull on the 2024 182 BO98? I seem to remember reading on Blister the old 182 Holyshred 98 was 179.2?



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Based on what I’ve seen over the years, I think these skis would be right up your alley. It seems like you enjoy progressive, loose but stable skis, and these seem like that.

Same ski so should be 179.2 as well