Electric Bike Thread

[XXX-er]

Probably cuz even new bikes are heavily discounted specialized is a good brand but now you are talking about a 7 yr old bike with what I would call a lot of kms on it

re: the fattie bit, is that a true fat bike or when some bikes came with ovesized 3 " tires, a trend which i think fizzled ??

[powking12]

Not a true fattie. 27.5+/29

[XXX-er]

Not a true fattie. 27.5+/29

which is a mullet and it looks like plus tires ( plus tires never really took off in popularity ? ) 504 W mtr whcih is on the small side but not too much so

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/me...=240244-129008

so here is the link

duno what to say

[TAFKALVS]

Not a bad bike to test the waters, and have a loaner for friends

[Shredhead]

They do make studded 3”. Not ideal, but they can be ridden in the winter.

My biggest concern would be the batteries condition. 7 years and a lot of km’s. Once the battery is shot, that bikes worth zero.

[powking12]

App says battery is “healthy” and has 100% charging capacity. 91 charge cycles I hope it’ll be a decent intro for her. Price was too good to pass.

[Shredhead]

Good luck, I hope she enjoys riding!
Probably will.

[ironhippy]

They do make studded 3”. Not ideal, but they can be ridden in the winter.

It really depends on conditions. Around here, a 3 inch studded bike will get your through 80% of the winter.

If you get thaws and then refreezes it will lead to solid, icy trails which the studded 3 inch tires are perfect.

My plus bike is my preferred winter bike, I only use the fat bike if the trails are soft/fresh and the skinny ice spikers if the trails are ice.

[XXX-er]

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/t...es-of-the-road

So as oposed to wnaking about with the existing class 1, 2, 3 the province of BC has written new laws calling an E-bike either " standard " or " light "

Standard looks to be pretty much what is now class 1 and light is half as many watts and slower than standard, if you now have or sell class 1 e-bikes you got no worries

But I supose anything else as in what was 2 or 3 or an electric moped snuck in as E-bike is an MV

I don't imagine the new laws stop the end loser from buying all kinds of stuff on-line for which Johnny Law will continue to write > 600 $ worth of tickets at one shot

so no matter where you live those are the laws one gov in N.A. has written for E-bikes


edit: So you probably give zero fucks about that ^^ cuz yer in america so who gives a fuck about anything but I
found another hit which does talk about America

https://www.fasken.com/en/knowledge/...itish-columbia

where buddy is saying " As the United States Consumer Product Safety Commission has now stated its intent to formally regulate the design and safety of e-bikes, it is hoped that the Health Canada Consumer and Hazardous Products Safety Directorate will take similar steps.

[ticketchecker]

Starting to plan for a knee replacement which is ramping up rationalizing an ebike. Soft pedaling is the only thing that doesn’t hurt this year.

Other than who knows when they’ll have stock, any reason not to do one of these?

https://us.yt-industries.com/product...coy-29-core-2/


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[skinipenem]

Starting to plan for a knee replacement which is ramping up rationalizing an ebike. Soft pedaling is the only thing that doesn’t hurt this year.

Other than who knows when they’ll have stock, any reason not to do one of these?

https://us.yt-industries.com/product...coy-29-core-2/


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The first reason that comes to mind: decoy MX

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[XXX-er]

you will be the anti-christ

but only in America

I find the battery choice a little confusing

I think you want at least the 630W battery which has been around for almost 3 yrs

I went e-bike after blowing the ACL and its been great

[ticketchecker]

I’m comfy with the anti christ role in ‘murica

Decoy MX is probably for the rider I used to want to be, agreed on the battery choice confuserartion.

I’m not usually the guy who buys the cheap one of anything but the $3500 price tag on that Core 2 is more palatable to add onto what my out of pocket costs for the knee might be.

Sort of intrigued by the Alloy relay but seems like the heavier bike defeats the gains from the lightweight SL drive system fazua bikes


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[XXX-er]

Yeah so where ever you are riding make sure you have social license to ride an E-bike, like I ran into the builder this AM and he was also on an E-bike so no worries here

I'm on a mullet, a santa cruz Bullit and so I really like mullet configuration

IME usually stuff is cheaper cuz its older tech so an outfit like YT might have got some 504 W batteries cheap so you get them cheap, if you could go 504 and get a spare 504 that would be great for your range

[grinch]

I have the decoy mx. 540w battery. Unless your 6"3'+ or even 6" with long legs id probably go mx. No reason not to have long travel with the eeb. Mine is 180f/165r and still faster than any xc bike ive ever had in my 20's. Maybe 35% of the time i would like the 720w battery they have on some of their decoys. Im debating just getting the 2nd 540w battery. Decent price. Really happy with the bike and yt service. Check the reach numbers. I like a half size smaller to keep the eeb weight agile, along with mx. Their sizing runs about a size smaller than typical sizing

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[skinipenem]

Goes without saying but be careful with sizing. I am 5'9" with 30" inseam pants. A size large mx fits me just about perfectly. The 540 batt is enough for the riding we do in the northeast. I am not sure if will be enough for the pnw after we move there this summer. I'll have to do a full battery run here shortly to get a better idea.

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[ticketchecker]

I'm probably a solid MD from YT at 5'6 and 29 inseam.

You guys are probably right on the MX

[grinch]

That sounds about right. Im 5'7 w 29 inseam on a medium. 1degree works headset and the fork at 180 does shorten the reach prob 5 or 6 mm so i wonder about a large. On the medium i the seat tube has plenty of room for the 150 dropper and pretty sure i could have a 170. The large would limit that

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[XXX-er]

. Sort of intrigued by the Alloy relay but seems like the heavier bike defeats the gains from the lightweight SL drive system fazua bikes

missed that question on the first go-round which appears to ask full power vs medium power ?

No matter what they advertise the full power is gona be 52lbs

The lightweight E-bike i have seen advertised at 40lbs which is suposed to make the light bike more sprightly ?

but i think it also might make the lightweights slower ?

I canceled a medium power Orbea when the full power SC showed up at the shop during the mid covid bike drought and I have no regrets on that,

if you got a bad knee ( which i also had ) I think you want full power

[Andeh]

double post, see post further down.

[supermodel159]

Starting to plan for a knee replacement which is ramping up rationalizing an ebike. Soft pedaling is the only thing that doesn’t hurt this year.

Other than who knows when they’ll have stock, any reason not to do one of these?

https://us.yt-industries.com/product...coy-29-core-2/


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I have a YT decoy. Great bike.

[Andeh]

RE: full power vs. midpower
I rode my Heckler SL (Fazua 60) this weekend with 3 guys on full power ebikes (1 YT Decoy w/ 540wH battery, 2 guys on Levos). I ran in my full power mode and put in a good amount of effort, was the second one up the hill each lap. The guy who was fastest was unsurprisingly a skinny guy on a Levo running in mid power, but also a very strong climber (used to do 400k vert per year before he got an ebike). The other Levo guy was heavier and was running at 80% power and struggling to keep up, burning battery at a similar pace to me. The guy on the Decoy wasn't very strong, was in turbo the whole time, slowest up the hills, and ran out of battery at 3,400'. The rest of us did 4,200' in 1:30 of moving time.

The point I took a long time getting to is that rider fitness and weight makes a huge difference in range. Then of course rider weight relative to the weight of the bike makes a big difference in how they handle descending. At <165 lbs, my 44 lb Heckler SL still handles well enough that I actually prefer it to my 35 lb Nomad on loose trails because the extra weight down low adds a lot to the grip.

On the alloy Relay, check out the recent Vital SL ebike roundup. They reviewed both the Relay (carbon) and the Heckler SL. https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/vi...ght-sl-e-bikes
Transition's spec lists the alu GX PNW version as 5.9 lbs heavier than the carbon GX. Alu NX is 4.3 lbs heavier than carbon GX (looks like same spec other than NX vs GX drivetrain and fork). Some of that is heavier components (38 vs 36, coil vs air) but that's still a lot of weight for only $1,000 savings. Especially if you have any intent of riding it without battery. On that regard, the Fazua 60 motor is indeed very low drag. I've pedaled it up for a lap with the motor off and didn't notice any drag, just the weight of a heavy bike. At 44 lbs, I'd never want to pedal it for more than about 1,000' with the motor off. Shaving off another 4 lbs (i.e. carbon with battery removed), I could see maybe doing 2,000' but that'd be about it.

Specific to the Fazua 60 reviews, lots of people bitch about the ring controller. The "stickiness" comes when the clamping bolt is over tightened. It doesn't stick if you just barely nip up the bolt.

I definitely wouldn't run wimpy tires on any ebike - the added weight down low makes it super easy to fold them in corners. Minimum I'd run would be Maxxis DD / Conti Enduro. I did try running both a Zeb and Lyrik on the HSL and preferred the Lyrik. At 160mm travel paired with carbon wheels and a stiff frame, the Zeb just felt too stiff. Lyrik is stiff enough for my weight. When I had a Levo, I ran the Zeb with alu wheels instead of carbon for a similar reason. I haven't run a 36 recently since they redesigned the CSU, so can't speak to their stiffness.

[grinch]

This seems very close to perfect. Geo numbers fit exactly where i want to be and 43lbs seems ideal for an eeb, without having tried a bosch sx

https://mondraker.com/ca/en/dune-xr65f31c4a64df7



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[Andeh]

Headset cable routing can fuck right off.

[grinch]

Ya im not a big fan. It is clean though and i think i can live with it. As it is i dont change my housing much at all and no need with this bike. Wireless post and shifting. I wonder how mondraker are as a company to deal with?

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