Ukraine

[garyfromterrace]

Rod and xyz, while I'm sure you have information of gravitas for us, I for one can't see what you're saying. I'm sure alpine zone or new schoolers doesn't have an ignore function. You should post there.

Edit to add:
Caviar.

[Meconium]

Zircon does not match the claim.

[highangle]

Missiles, hypersonic.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...e_systems.html

Hypersonic Zircon missiles Russia used to strike Kyiv on Feb. 7 and March 25 fell short of their intended combat objectives, Andriy Kulchytskyi, head of the military research laboratory at the Kyiv Scientific Research Institute of Forensic Expertise, told Ukrainian public broadcaster Suspilne on March 27.
Kulchytskyi reached these conclusions following the analysis of missile fragments.


"All the descriptives such as 'super,' 'hyper' — they're just words," he said.
"The missile has a long way to go before it's combat-ready."
The missile "veers off course and fails to fulfill its intended purpose," Kulchytskyi said.


Read also: Russian deployment of Zircon missiles suggests weapon shortage, says UA Air Force



The Ukrainian air defense systems are reportedly capable of intercepting Zircons. A fragment from the March 25 missile strike indicates it was intercepted by the Patriot system, he said.
The missile's warhead contains no more than 40 kilograms of explosives, Kulchytskyi said. Further analyses are underway to determine the exact composition.
"The warhead's payload is minimal compared to missiles like the Kh-101 and Kh-22," the expert said.
Russia strikes Kyiv with Zircon missiles - What is known

Russia attacked Kyiv with several hypersonic ballistic missiles launched from occupied Crimea on March 25. Due to the extreme velocity of the missiles, the air raid alert was sounded almost simultaneously with them reaching the Ukrainian capital. Although the missiles were intercepted by Ukrainian air defenses, falling debris injured ten people across the city.


The two missiles, shot down by Ukraine’s air defense over Kyiv on March 25, were likely ZM22 Zircon missiles, Defense Express reported, citing sources, and sharing a photo of missile debris.


This is the second known use of this missile after an unsuccessful attempt to attack Kyiv on Feb. 7, the journalists said.

The Air Force could not yet confirm as of March 26 that Zircon missiles were fired at Kyiv.


Read also: Putin confirms Russian army's use of Zircon missile in Ukraine strike

[Soups]

Missiles, hypersonic.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...e_systems.html

Lolol. Wow. Great example. Such vast superiorness.

Break out the Nobel prize for science and technology. We truly are in the dark ages in the west. Thanks Biden.

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[grinch]

They should call them super duper hyper sonic. Thatd be deadly!!

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[highangle]

"Comrades, we must immediately retrofit laser on Fugazi Hypersharkmissile. Special Military Priority Order: Raise It Up, Wax It Down"

[MultiVerse]

Even if xyz's one thing worked as advertised, Russia’s war machine—including its missiles—run on western parts:

... numerous components made by U.S. manufacturers are in [Russian] missiles onboard navigation system, which enabled it to reach its target with devastating precision.

Russia’s struggle to produce the advanced semiconductors, electrical components, and machine tools needed to fuel its defense industrial base predates the current war and has left it reliant on imports even amid its estrangement from the West.

This has created a Kafkaesque scenario, the report notes, in which the Ukrainian army is doing battle with Western weapons against a Russian arsenal that also runs on Western components.

Russia’s ability to defy these restrictions doesn’t just have implications for the war in Ukraine. It also raises significant questions about the challenge ahead vis-à-vis China.

“The technological question becomes a key part of this story and whether or not we can restrict it from our adversaries,”

“The recurring appearance of these Western products in Russian drone systems shows a keen dependence on them for key capabilities in the drone systems,” the report notes. Lancets are not the only drones found to contain Western components. Almost all of the electronic components in the Iranian Shahed-136 drones, which Russia is now manufacturing with Iranian help to use in Ukraine, are of Western origin.


https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/02/22...emiconductors/

[Meconium]

So basically sanctions are useless without enforcing. Just like "security agreements".

[MultiVerse]

Russia spent a long time preparing for its invasion by stockpiling parts. But yeah, stronger enforcement along with secondary sanctions on countries like Turkey, UAE, & Kazakh are increasing the cost of evasion as well as making supplies more erratic. Even though it's nearly impossible to cut off supplies completely, Western sanctions against Russia work very well at decreasing Russia's economic capacity. The important thing is not as Rod would argue sanction don't work, they do work, it's that the effect should be made even bigger.

[rod9301]

Russia spent a long time preparing for its invasion by stockpiling parts. But yeah, stronger enforcement along with secondary sanctions on countries like Turkey, UAE, & Kazakh are increasing the cost of evasion as well as making supplies more erratic. Even though it's nearly impossible to cut off supplies completely, Western sanctions against Russia work very well at decreasing Russia's economic capacity. The important thing is not as Rod would argue sanction don't work, they do work, it's that the effect should be made even bigger.

"Reuters data analysis in February also showed that the EU has replaced Russian piped gas flows with Russian LNG imported primarily to Spain, Belgium and France."

So eu has sanctioned Russian gas shipped by pipeline. And has replaced it with Russian LNG shipped, at a much higher cost.

Big win for sanctions.

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[MultiVerse]

Russian LNG imports have been cut by more than two thirds since the unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. Smuggled Western components now cost twice as much for lower quality. Those are big wins for sanctions. See the graph from Rod's Reuters article:

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...as-2024-04-03/

Despite exporting more to places like China and India, overall Russian state-owned Gazprom net profit and sales have been cut by a third.

[Meconium]

Guess my comment was about western components. I can't find the article but the US resources are supposedly way under staffed. Consumer components viable for military hardware.

[rod9301]

Russian LNG imports have been cut by more than two thirds since the unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. Smuggled Western components now cost twice as much for lower quality. Those are big wins for sanctions. See the graph from Rod's Reuters article:

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...as-2024-04-03/

Despite exporting more to places like China and India, overall Russian state-owned Gazprom net profit and sales have been cut by a third.

So did the revenues and profits of most oil and gas companies

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[Bunion 2020]

The fuck you talking about?

The world’s five largest listed oil companies have made profits of more than a quarter of a trillion dollars since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine led to dramatic increases in energy prices and household bills.

The “super-majors” – BP, Shell, Chevron, ExxonMobil and TotalEnergies – have made $281bn (£223bn) since the war began in February 2022, according to Global Witness.

The UK-based pair, BP and Shell, have made a combined $94.2bn (£75bn) in profits since the conflict began. Global Witness estimates that this is enough to cover all Britain’s household electricity bills for 17 consecutive months.

Shell, which has made $58.9bn (£47bn) in profits since the second quarter of 2022, is also in the process of cutting up to 330 roles from its low-carbon solutions unit in a renewed focus on high-profit oil projects this year.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ion-of-ukraine

[frorider]

False binaries are the recourse of smooth brained pundits. The point that keeps getting made in this thread is sanctions as a strategy impact Putin’s military and political strength in ways that aren’t necessarily 100% predictable in timeline or degree.

Would Russia’s hardware strategy and cost be less of a headache for Putin without the sanctions? Can’t imagine even comrade rod would say No. Reports are trickling out that the 16+ % home mortgage rate is creating discontent among younger generations; we don’t know the if/when on how these economic or social factors accrue to the point of direct impact on his political power but does anyone disagree that these type of factors complicate his invasion strategy longterm?

[MultiVerse]

FWIW, Lockheed showed its production ready Mako Hypersonic missile. Mako flies at Mach 5 (50 miles a minute) and is capable of striking moving targets.

[rod9301]

False binaries are the recourse of smooth brained pundits. The point that keeps getting made in this thread is sanctions as a strategy impact Putin’s military and political strength in ways that aren’t necessarily 100% predictable in timeline or degree.

Would Russia’s hardware strategy and cost be less of a headache for Putin without the sanctions? Can’t imagine even comrade rod would say No. Reports are trickling out that the 16+ % home mortgage rate is creating discontent among younger generations; we don’t know the if/when on how these economic or social factors accrue to the point of direct impact on his political power but does anyone disagree that these type of factors complicate his invasion strategy longterm?

Sure, life for Putin is harder with sanctions, and also harder with the war that proved to be a lot longer than he was told.

But i still maintain that sanctions don't work.

And the way they were constructed, it also hurts the West.

Btw, the freezing of 300 million of Russian reserves was a bad idea. A lot of countries are thinking, if Russia, nuclear power, lost their reserves, maybe this will happen to us.

And they already started to diversify away from the dollar and Euro. A lot of central banks are buying more gold than before, an indication that they are buying less Dollars.

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[highangle]

Sure, life for Putin is harder with sanctions, and also harder with the war that proved to be a lot longer than he was told. But i still maintain that sanctions don't work. And the way they were constructed, it also hurts the West. Btw, the freezing of 300 million of Russian reserves was a bad idea. A lot of countries are thinking, if Russia, nuclear power, lost their reserves, maybe this will happen to us. And they already started to diversify away from the dollar and Euro. A lot of central banks are buying more gold than before, an indication that they are buying less Dollars. Sent from my moto g 5G using Tapatalk

The process will be ornate and richly embellished and consist of a full 14 stations of the law, but as "Poot's Money" represents earnest money and a binding promissory note for repayment of Stalin's defaulted Lend Lease obligations, it'll just have to do for the moment.

[Meconium]

Weapons!

[Meconium]

AeroVironment Switchblade a bust?

[highangle]

AeroVironment Switchblade a bust?

Switchblades are gold but Ukraine got maybe a few hundred. Ukraine expects to manufacture a million or more drones of all sorts domestically in 2024, and they are the world leaders in combat drone tech now.

[LeeLau]

In a significant escalation of its retaliatory measures against “unfriendly” states amid heightened geopolitical tensions, Russia has seized assets of the agricultural holdings company AgroTerra Group. The move, announced on April 8, 2024, has sent shockwaves through the agricultural sector and raised concerns over food security and international trade relations.

President Vladimir Putin’s decree places Dutch-registered firms AgroTerra Investments B.V. and AgroTerra Holdings B.V. under the “temporary management” of Rosimushchestvo, Russia’s federal property management agency

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russi...192617579.html

[Toadman]

Switchblades are gold but Ukraine got maybe a few hundred. Ukraine expects to manufacture a million or more drones of all sorts domestically in 2024, and they are the world leaders in combat drone tech now.

Russia employing some interesting EW countermeasures on drones.

https://interestingengineering.com/m...nti-drone-tank

[dunfree]

AeroVironment Switchblade a bust?

the big complaint seems to be software version control not being flexible enough

[Meconium]

Thought I also read that they were getting jammed easier. Regardless, realtime war development of modified consumer drones probably outpacing US widgets