Telemark skiing is dead.

[bodywhomper]

Do not know the username of the group buy guy anymore.

Three seasons?! I made it like 10 days on stock scarpa intuition liners before painful packing out, then a rebake and another 10 days. I’m now using wrap liners with my tx comps (40+ days since baked). They came (unused) out of a pair of older full tilts. Not sure which version of wrap liners.

[ski-wpk]

Larry’s in Boulder (bootfitter) made so many tweaks to my stock liners after season 1, including a second bake now that I think about it, that they’re a bit of a frankenliner but they have held on for 75+ days. I’m remembering now that I have an old pair of Powerwraps in the closet with probably 40 days. Will give them a go this weekend.

[dschane]

Curious to see what you critically think of them because if I jump to NTN, they are #1 on my list. I've heard not so great things about the Lynx.

I have skied both Meidjo and Lynx, and both are super fun to ski and incredible to tour in. Each has its own issues (of course that's true for every binding I've ever skied or seen skied). I settled on Lynx because of 22D's hole pattern and Outlaws and because I found them a tad simpler.

The biggest complaint about Medijo is bootjack from snow buildup. The biggest complaint about Lynx is the claw engaging into ski mode because of snow buildup. They both are very light - Lynx is around 1000 grams for the pair and Meidjo is about 100 grams lighter.

I know nothing of the new boot but plan to try it next fall. In the meantime, it feels like Rotte Freeride's release all over again.

[wickstad]

If you have small boots like 22.5- 24.5 and buy 22 designs vise bindings, be prepared to have the cables loosen while you ski enough to have your ski come off without warning. That’s right your ski can come off and be gone. The guys from 22 designs bought a great binding. They don’t make the great binding anymore and make fun of you if you ask for parts for it. They make fun of you while they sell a binding for a lot more money that does not stay on your feet. WTF? How can we be going backwards. It’s a good thing that they copied Russell’s 1x1 mounting pattern so that all bindings can interchange without re-drilling and that us cheap ass telemark skiers keep our old bindings. Someone with smaller feet is going to get hurt.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

If you have small boots like 22.5- 24.5 and buy 22 designs vise bindings, be prepared to have the cables loosen while you ski enough to have your ski come off without warning. That’s right your ski can come off and be gone. The guys from 22 designs bought a great binding. They don’t make the great binding anymore and make fun of you if you ask for parts for it. They make fun of you while they sell a binding for a lot more money that does not stay on your feet. WTF? How can we be going backwards. It’s a good thing that they copied Russell’s 1x1 mounting pattern so that all bindings can interchange without re-drilling and that us cheap ass telemark skiers keep our old bindings. Someone with smaller feet is going to get hurt.

Are you alright little buddy?


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[PB]

Wait ... you're whining about the demise of the Hammerhead?

Pretty sure there's hacks floating around for fixing your Vice cable. What did 22D recommend?

Besides buying more skis, I mean.

[wickstad]

Are you alright little buddy?


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I’m fine. I think my boots are big enough to ski the vise. One of the main reasons I still ski telemark bindings is that I don’t like pre-release. 22 Designs has brought that back it seems with the vise and smaller boots.

[Danno]

Wait ... you're whining about the demise of the Hammerhead?

Pretty sure there's hacks floating around for fixing your Vice cable. What did 22D recommend?

Besides buying more skis, I mean.

They recommended laughing at him. I think.

[wickstad]

Wait ... you're whining about the demise of the Hammerhead?

Pretty sure there's hacks floating around for fixing your Vice cable. What did 22D recommend?

Besides buying more skis, I mean.

Not my bindings. I’m still skiing the hammerhead which is the binding design they purchased to start their company and then they discontinued it to offer more inferior products. The fact that there is a known hack to some only tells me that there is a problem out of the factory. People are coming out of the bindings. Does that sound fun to you?

[wickstad]

They recommended laughing at him. I think.

Yes and you have to wait a while to even get that.

[wickstad]

These are brand new bindings and also not the only pair. There is another. We don’t always have Aaron around to fetch our skis when they are hundreds of yards down the hill.

[wickstad]

Someone is going to get injured either by pre-release or a runaway ski. I’m just letting folks know. Of course this is tgr so everyone already knows everything here anyway so sorry if I’m wasting my breath.

[wickstad]

Any fresh faced engineer should know what a detente is and what it is for.

[MakersTeleMark]

STFU. I've taped the cable tubes on my blue and black HH's as well as my axls. They rotate by design for adjustment. Set it, tape it, and forget it. And, it's vice, not vise. See what I did there moran?

[BeHuWe]

Someone is going to get injured either by pre-release or a runaway ski. I’m just letting folks know. Of course this is tgr so everyone already knows everything here anyway so sorry if I’m wasting my breath.

Where do you buy your weed and patchouli incense from?


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[XXX-er]

don't telemarkers still use some kind of runaway leash ?

[bodywhomper]

They have never worked for me

[MagnificentUnicorn]

They have never worked for me

Telemarkers have always been a shiftless and lazy lot


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[scharny]

The biggest complaint about Medijo is bootjack from snow buildup.

Another issue for me is that the springs definitely become way less stiff over time. I have 70ish days on mine with stiffest springs set up on stiffest setting, and they now feel way too soft/neutral for my liking. In addition, the claw now has enough fore-aft play, even while skiing lift-serve, to allow snow to pack into the slot where the duck butt fits, allowing the duck-butt to pop out of the claw unexpectedly under load. I’m going to order a set of the redline springs and throw in new spring boxes, but this does seem like a short time for these bindings to wear out.

[chicken feathers]

Not my bindings. I’m still skiing the hammerhead which is the binding design they purchased to start their company and then they discontinued it to offer more inferior products. The fact that there is a known hack to some only tells me that there is a problem out of the factory. People are coming out of the bindings. Does that sound fun to you?

Just gonna put it out there that there’s a small and large Vice/Axl. Also more than once I’ve stopped to show a stranger how to adjust their 75mm 22D bindings despite how simple they are.

Mine, my wife’s and the people I skied with were always set and forget for 100’s of days.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

There’s a better solution, fix your heel ski for real. As a reformed lift served freeheeler I only tele on heavier XCD hunting powder in the woods.

Mr. Wickstad only drops his knee for the camera these days and makes alpine turns 99.99% of the time. He’s a great skier but could benefit from the safety of releasable bindings and the increased control as he approaches 60.


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[frorider]

Another issue for me is that the springs definitely become way less stiff over time. I have 70ish days on mine with stiffest springs set up on stiffest setting, and they now feel way too soft/neutral for my liking. In addition, the claw now has enough fore-aft play, even while skiing lift-serve, to allow snow to pack into the slot where the duck butt fits, allowing the duck-butt to pop out of the claw unexpectedly under load. I’m going to order a set of the redline springs and throw in new spring boxes, but this does seem like a short time for these bindings to wear out.

Thx for the review.

I liked the way the Lynx skied but never bought a pair & got on the ‘ok here’s the latest fix from 22D, THIS time we’ve nailed it’ train.

[Toddball]

Any fresh faced engineer should know what a detente is and what it is for.

If you're interested in de-escalating tensions, maybe just wind your spring preload down a few turns? I'm no engineer though.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Or just remain at an impasse


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[MakersTeleMark]

I love monomarking too much to alpine. NTTAWWT.