If only there was something we could do...

[ex-powderbroker]

but i don’t think that offends anyone who wants more gun control.

the ammosexuals in here seem to think anything that makes a weapon harder to procure is the most grave violation of human rights in the history of the world and a sure fire sign that the unwashed masses are about to roll through their home and leave it bereft of anything they or their ancestors had ever earned.

[skaredshtles]

but i don’t think that offends anyone who wants more gun control.

the ammosexuals in here seem to think anything that makes a weapon harder to procure is the most grave violation of human rights in the history of the world and a sure fire sign that the unwashed masses are about to roll through their home and leave it bereft of anything they or their ancestors had ever earned.

I mean... you gotta be *READY* for when ANTIFA rolls into your quiet little town to create a ruckus.

[californiagrown]

I mean... you gotta be *READY* for when ANTIFA rolls into your quiet little town to create a ruckus.

In the summer of 2020, I saw on FB, the father of an old college buddy, announcing the formation of a neighborhood watch to protect his neighborhood against Antifa and BLM rioters. Included was a picture of about 10 older guys with rifles.

He lives in semi-rural maine 2 hours from the nearest commercial airport. You can never be too prepared though.

[skaredshtles]

In the summer of 2020, I saw on FB, the father of an old college buddy, announcing the formation of a neighborhood watch to protect his neighborhood against Antifa and BLM rioters. Included was a picture of about 10 older guys with rifles.

Someone should have told him that if ANTIFA was actually coming for him... *he* was the fascist.

[Meadow Skipper]

In the summer of 2020, I saw on FB, the father of an old college buddy, announcing the formation of a neighborhood watch to protect his neighborhood against Antifa and BLM rioters. Included was a picture of about 10 older guys with rifles.

He lives in semi-rural maine 2 hours from the nearest commercial airport. You can never be too prepared though.

This place needs a rotflmao emoji.

And/or a like button.

[jackstraw]

Maine?! Lowest crime rate in the country. And 2hrs from Portland!? People get so sucked into Fox news and other bs shit on TV. Good grief.

[Cisco Kid]

Behold the powers of American Marketing and Capitalism.

[ex-powderbroker]

I’m back on fb and just realized an old friend of mine has been posting about this for the last couple of years as she grew up closely with the victim:

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/husb...-were-home.amp

according to what she said, the victim gets a call from the kids that their dad is scaring them. she instructs them to lock the bedroom door and stay in the closet. she calls the cops. she goes home to be with the kids. dad drags her into the bedroom and shoots her many times. cops arrive and arrest him.

it will be *somewhat* interesting to know what kind of record he had and whether he should have had access to firearms (in the eyes of the law, not reality).

sick world, sick people, and a sick accelerant to induce misery.

[exsparky]

Would you feel better if she was thrown out of a window? Guns cause emotions, you are having a more emotional response this way.

Glorifying/replaying this stuff on fb and the news gives sickos ideas and they are trying to be as emotional as possible.

TV and movies aren't great ideas either. Why is it every movie poster used to had to have a gun on it, an emotional response.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Would you feel better if she was thrown out of a window? Guns cause emotions, you are having a more emotional response this way.

Glorifying/replaying this stuff on fb and the news gives sickos ideas and they are trying to be as emotional as possible.

TV and movies aren't great ideas either. Why is it every movie poster used to had to have a gun on it, an emotional response.

So you’re saying throwing her out the window would have been less emotional? Why do you resort to this line of thinking? He shot her and it’s a valid question about access and mental health in a thread about just that. Go masturbate to your guns some more


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[ex-powderbroker]

i had a friend in ny who was caught in a fire when her boyfriend fell asleep with a smoke on the couch. last thing he did was throw her out the window before the whole thing went up in a huge puff. she landed on the roof of a car and walked away from five stories up.

[riser4]

Holy shit.

[Cisco Kid]

Would you feel better if she was thrown out of a window? ........

Why would anyone with a gun want to toss someone out of a window?

[ex-powderbroker]

idk. i feel it is unnecessary to state that it is obvious that violence can not be legislated away. people with bad intentions will figure out ways to hurt people. i do not accept that we need to make it easy for people to procure firearms and ammo and that those items disappear without a trace after the point of sale. there is no sane reason to believe that society can function this way. people who have problems with alcohol or abuse their spouses should not have weapons either.

i’ve now been alive half a lifetime and have seen the effects of gun violence and loose regulations more than i should have for someone who isn’t in law enforcement or the military.

2 friends dead of suicide
1 friend who survived a school shooting
1 friend who’s dad killed her mom and then offed himself

this family i never met but very easily could have on any of my
trips to western mass to hang out with the people in this network.

and then you have obtuse idiots that think it’s all just an inner city thing, or the price of freedom.

i don’t accept it.

[::: :::]

Glorifying this stuff on fb

facebook?
glorifying? oh, do tell...here's our own guns thread with almost 11k posts & plenty of tips, tricks, and reccos


it wasn't/isn't movies or games or even crime levels -- the NRA promoted this shit into the tribal identifier it is today...now it has a life of its own

carrying a gun in public used to be odd or dangerous when not related to law enforcement or hunting

now it is a hobby, a lifestyle, an identity, and with far less stigma or respect to its lethality given the prodigious distribution & current enthusiasm

[jackstraw]

Would you feel better if she was thrown out of a window? Guns cause emotions, you are having a more emotional response this way.

Glorifying/replaying this stuff on fb and the news gives sickos ideas and they are trying to be as emotional as possible.

TV and movies aren't great ideas either. Why is it every movie poster used to had to have a gun on it, an emotional response.

Trying to throw someone through and out a window vs pulling a trigger. Hmm. One might be easier and have better odds at actually killing in an "emotional" heat of the moment response.

[Meadow Skipper]

Trying to throw someone through and out a window vs pulling a trigger. Hmm. One might be easier and have better odds at actually killing in an "emotional" heat of the moment response.

Plus, it’ve been a lot harder for that guy in Las Vegas in 2017 to throw 60 people out the window (that’s just fatalities, over 400 wounded) in such a short time. Good thing he could get lots of guns and ammo. He never would have been able to reach his goals with out that.

[leroy jenkins]

Leroy and Birdhunter - Just curious….

You state the issue is mainly mental health + that small segment of the population who are criminals…

Are you guys voting for the politicians that are promoting spending tax payer money on those specific issues? Like socialized mental healthcare or funding secondary education for at risk youth so they have opportunities and don’t turn to a life of crime…

Or are you voting for the other politicians whose main goal is lowering tax payer burden?


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Lol just which politicians are those? The ones who want to ban the guns?

Do you think it proves something to ask me which candidate I vote for when virtually no one feels like the politicians actua.ly represent their views and just vote for the least bad of the two choices preordained for us?

Wouldn't it be more relevant to interact with my ideas? Cus all you've really shown is that the politicians don't really represent the interests of the people these days. Shocking stuff there.


Dude, there are 20k murders a year with guns. Thats sad its tragic its a big loss. There are 250k deaths from medical malpractice a year. 100k from fentanyl. 1000 people a year die on bicycles in the US. Guns are used defensively to protect innocent people over a million times a year, according to the DOJ. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf Your focus is myopic, and is more about not liking gun owners and wanting the government to make their lives worse, than it is about any real desire to make the world a better place.

You guys repeatedly say really simplified emotionally gratifying statements with no grounding in reality and refuse to explain in any way how they could work in the actual world.

I don't think I've ever said its all about mental health and thats the only variable, where have I?

[leroy jenkins]

Plus, it’ve been a lot harder for that guy in Las Vegas in 2017 to throw 60 people out the window (that’s just fatalities, over 400 wounded) in such a short time. Good thing he could get lots of guns and ammo. He never would have been able to reach his goals with out that.

I don't know, Tim McVeigh seemed to figure it out pretty well.

[leroy jenkins]

facebook?
glorifying? oh, do tell...here's our own guns thread with almost 11k posts & plenty of tips, tricks, and reccos


it wasn't/isn't movies or games or even crime levels -- the NRA promoted this shit into the tribal identifier it is today...now it has a life of its own

carrying a gun in public used to be odd or dangerous when not related to law enforcement or hunting

now it is a hobby, a lifestyle, an identity, and with far less stigma or respect to its lethality given the prodigious distribution & current enthusiasm

I love that like half those names are hoplophobes.

[californiagrown]

I don't know, Tim McVeigh seemed to figure it out pretty well.

And oddly, now, its much harder to get your hands on a few thousand pounds of fertilizer than it is a few hundred thousand rounds of 5.56.

[frorider]

Plus, it’ve been a lot harder for that guy in Las Vegas in 2017 to throw 60 people out the window (that’s just fatalities, over 400 wounded) in such a short time. Good thing he could get lots of guns and ammo. He never would have been able to reach his goals with out that.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2DAi...RlODBiNWFlZA==

[Art Shirk]

Lol just which politicians are those? The ones who want to ban the guns?

Do you think it proves something to ask me which candidate I vote for when virtually no one feels like the politicians actua.ly represent their views and just vote for the least bad of the two choices preordained for us?

Wouldn't it be more relevant to interact with my ideas? Cus all you've really shown is that the politicians don't really represent the interests of the people these days. Shocking stuff there.


Dude, there are 20k murders a year with guns. Thats sad its tragic its a big loss. There are 250k deaths from medical malpractice a year. 100k from fentanyl. 1000 people a year die on bicycles in the US. Guns are used defensively to protect innocent people over a million times a year, according to the DOJ. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf Your focus is myopic, and is more about not liking gun owners and wanting the government to make their lives worse, than it is about any real desire to make the world a better place.

You guys repeatedly say really simplified emotionally gratifying statements with no grounding in reality and refuse to explain in any way how they could work in the actual world.

I don't think I've ever said its all about mental health and thats the only variable, where have I?

Why can’t we attack more than one problem at once? Providing this statistical perspective doesn’t make me shift to a binary approach. Is only the most prevalent cause of death worthy of our attention? Can we look at context as well? As sad as it is that a person dies in their car after shooting up fenty, and we should care about that, can we admit that the trauma of elementary kids being gunned down at school comes with a separate societal price and nightmare? One that most civilized nations don’t contend with. Call that “emotionally gratifying”, not a rational-based argument, but neglecting the absolute absurdity of the latter situation even if less frequent, is a red herring. Blanket yourself in statistics to downplay what we should care about, but anyone with any empathy and humanity, should feel confident in looking past a spreadsheet.

There is still a ton buried in what can actually be done, as I’m sure you will admit that you are equally appalled by a traumatic school shooting event and so I’ve brought nothing new to the conversation; but, it’s pure lunacy to separate actions like those from the entrenched American love affair with guns. The evolution from packing a musket for personal protection to access to high caliber implements of mass death is a sickness that has festered for decades and has now somehow been conflated by the intellectually dishonest “constitutional scholars” that walk among the least educated in our country. Call that elitist, but it’s the truth.


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

I don't know, Tim McVeigh seemed to figure it out pretty well.

This is exactly the same kind of trite response that you say everyone makes to your posts. You’re more worthless than a used condom


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[leroy jenkins]

Why can’t we attack more than one problem at once? Providing this statistical perspective doesn’t make me shift to a binary approach. Is only the most prevalent cause of death worthy of our attention? Can we look at context as well? As sad as it is that a person dies in their car after shooting up fenty, and we should care about that, can we admit that the trauma of elementary kids being gunned down at school comes with a separate societal price and nightmare? One that most civilized nations don’t contend with. Call that “emotionally gratifying”, not a rational-based argument, but neglecting the absolute absurdity of the latter situation even if less frequent, is a red herring. Blanket yourself in statistics to downplay what we should care about, but anyone with any empathy and humanity, should feel confident in looking past a spreadsheet.

There is still a ton buried in what can actually be done, as I’m sure you will admit that you are equally appalled by a traumatic school shooting event and so I’ve brought nothing new to the conversation; but, it’s pure lunacy to separate actions like those from the entrenched American love affair with guns. The evolution from packing a musket for personal protection to access to high caliber implements of mass death is a sickness that has festered for decades and has now somehow been conflated by the intellectually dishonest “constitutional scholars” that walk among the least educated in our country. Call that elitist, but it’s the truth.


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I won't call that elitist, I'll call it a strawman. You're asserting there are no valid reasons anyone would support gun rights. No reason at all other than some sort of sickness.

Yes, we can address more problems than just one, but from what I've seen, anti gun people don't want to address anything but attacking gun owners. There really aren't that many murders here, and guns save more lives than they take, as per the DOJ link I supplied which you ignored. So, do you really want more innocent people murdered and raped? Cus it seems like you'd be stoked on that as long as they're people who like guns.

You want to talk about a lobby that protects a predatory industry its the pharma industry. kills waaaaaaaaaaaaay more people than guns do. Statistically, there really aren't very many murders in this country if you remove the ones tied to the drug trade.

But ok, lets address all these problems. We'll vote for the people who want to close the border to prevent more fent from crossing. We'll vote for the people who want to get rid of the guns cus everyone knows thats all you gotta do to end violence, and the people who want to support mental health care etc. Oh shit, you're telling me those are different people and we can't vote for someone who is both? ok, well at least we'll vote for the people who think hundreds of thousands of medical malpractice deaths each year are way too many, and are going to take on the pharma and medical industries and lobbies? Oh shit, you're telling me we can't vote for those people cus they don't exist? Shit, what do we do then?


Maybe we need to stop fighting about gun control and address issues that are less contentious. the medical malpractice thing should be a bipartisan issue among the american people, but its something none of the politicians are willing to do. We'll only address these issues when we stop fighting about the things they use to divide and distract us and will NEVER get solved by fighting with each other over it. I mean, NONE of you even have the remotest version of a plan, none of you can even articulate anything about what it would really look like other than maybe one day scotus will legislate from the bench and outlaw everything and then....... who knows.

So, yea, thats why we can't attack all these things at once, is because we're being intentionally divided and the politicians lobbyists etc are making it impossible. We could address them all if we prioritized forming unity instead of division, but that would take putting our more divisive ideas on the back burner for the time being.