Chasing My Dream Daily Driver - The Heritage Lab FL105

[Marshal Olson]

Sounds like you need the R105...

the R105 could be a good fit, agreed, with the caveat that Arild’s testing shows that how the rocker/sidecut mesh, they really prefer a -12cm mount +/- 0.5cm, where the FL105 could be run to around -10.5cm for more progressive skiers

[SnowMachine]

the R105 could be a good fit, agreed, with the caveat that Arild’s testing shows that how the rocker/sidecut mesh, they really prefer a -12cm mount +/- 0.5cm, where the FL105 could be run to around -10.5cm for more progressive skiers

I might need to demo some traditional mounted skis to see how I get along with them.

[SnowMachine]

What is the mount range for the R110?

Edit: Found it in the FR thread.

[jackattack]

Thanks for the response, Marshall. Didn't really help.

I feel like I would like them all in different places. I think the FR110 is too similar to my Hotshots and Mindsticks, but slotted right in the middle waist wise. Probably even driftier being full reverse.

The FL105 sounds really fun, but maybe a bit too much ski for my average day with the kids.

The R110 really has my interest, but it's getting away from narrower spot I'm looking to fill.

The last flat(ish) tail ski I skied, I had a blast on. It was the 184 Peak 98. Easy to ski, but substantial enough to go fast on. It's part of why I was looking at the 99Ti. They look very similar.

These ones

188 Heritage Labs R99 AM, $150
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d.php?t=355875

[2FUNKY]

Yeah. Screaming deal.


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[Island Bay]

Sweet Jesus, FL105 sounds like the perfect NZ Clubbie ski. So keen to try them.

Come and visit in August. Can provide LP105s in both lengths, Monsters, Protests if it's dumping, etc. Good beer and coffee, too :-)

[arild]

Sweet Jesus, FL105 sounds like the perfect NZ Clubbie ski. So keen to try them.

Come and visit in August. Can provide LP105s in both lengths, Monsters, Protests if it's dumping, etc. Good beer and coffee, too :-)

Tempting..... [emoji16]

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[SkiJitsu]

Just got these mounted and took the FL105 out night skiing and .... they are freakin' awesome!! Cadillac smooth but still surprisingly dynamic and easy to pivot. Was also impressed how well they skied bumps.

Can't wait to get on it more this weekend, but I feel like there's a good chance this could become my favorite ski ever!

[Marshal Olson]

That snow looks super fun! nice man. Love it.

[2FUNKY]

These slay rain mank snow. Woof!


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[shroom]

c’mon weather

[2FUNKY]

c’mon weather

Dude, they slay rain mank and rain corn. Rubber up buttercup.


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[NW_SKIER]

Dude, they slay rain mank and rain corn. Rubber up buttercup.


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Move to Alpental, rain lover

[2FUNKY]

Move to Alpental, rain lover

Meh, we have plenty here.


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[shroom]

Dude, they slay rain mank and rain corn. Rubber up buttercup.


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I’m pretty superstitious about first dates. I can’t take her to Panera and leave thinking we’re meant to be.

[arild]

Marshal, you'll have to tell me whether or not this should be in its own thread. Given that you went ahead with a preorder on these bastards, I just thought it was time to let people know how I really feel about them, instead of just making vague remarks here and there.

Anyways:

R105, 192

Skier: best on the mountain, obviously. 5'10" 210lbs, dad bod in Freedom units. 38 years old, skied at least 30 of those. Forward oriented, enjoy going fast more than anything, definitely more power than finesse.

Days on these: 10-15 or more. Haven't kept a log, but I've had to be really deliberate about taking anything else out, when I morally should. Sorry again, MO.

Mount: 304 bsl at -12, P18s at 10. Was at -11, turns out that was less than spectacular with my stance,style (hah!), and grace. More on that later.

Tune: factory, but went to town with a diamond for polish, also detuned from the taper lines (read: widest sidecut points) towards the tips and tails. So, super sharp where they should be, dull as shit where I want them to be. Hot waxed with ps7 and graphite, nylon brushed.

Conditions: everything. Hot pow, dry pow, chop, chop, more chop, chunder, crud, refreeze, true ice, something resembling spring corn, the works. Most of these even during single days. Weird winter so far.

I like chargers. Fun chargers the most, and until the FL113 came along, my top choice was the Down SD105. Thanks, @SiSt /Simen, btw, for everything you taught me.

The R105s are totally ridiculous. Like their big brothers, the 113s, they pivot and charge, charge and pivot, as if you just flip a switch. The main difference between these two isn't the sidecut radius, though the R105s ARE easier to initiate the tips with. As they should be. The rocker profiles are, for all intents and purposes, the very same. The difference lies solely in how nimble they are, a difference 7mm in the waist and 9m of radius really can't account for. Or maybe these factors can.

I've taken these into tighter woods than they deserve, icier surfaces than I should, deeper pow than they should handle (you need to be into porpoising, though), and everything in between. They allow mistakes. The flex profile I grew to love with the FL113s last season is there, just a bit less demanding in tighter spaces. They handle everything, and let me go really fucking fast, in control. Which, to me, is all that matters.

Now, MO and I discussed at length whether we should design the 105s as rocker/flat/rocker or rocker/camber/rocker, and while neither had any doubts the camber has its place, we, and I in particular, fantasized a lot about the daily driver almost reverse camber pair of skis, and as it turned out, Marshal had a pair pressed and sent to me for review and examination, as one of two pairs I preordered in the 192 length. I could kiss the man for that.

So, now you all get a choice between camber and flat.

I've gotten a bunch of days on the regular FL105, too, and for harder snow like surfaces, of course they're better than the Rs, most prominently going bases flat. Really depends on how you ski, and which compromises you're more or less willing to deal with. In tighter areas, while the cambered FL105s don't pivot as quickly, they do turn and iniate quicker, probably due to the much tighter radius of the tip rockers, while on more varied surfaces, the low, almost continuous rise of the R105s just helps them excel. Very much like the FL113s.

Lastly, I wanted to write a bit about the mount, and the why. The first couple of days on the R105s, I skied them at -11. Skiing with the forward stance I'm used to, they got a bit fish tailed, but engaged as they should if I got a bit backseated(relatively). After a quick chat with Marshal, the obvious fix was to remount, and while I hate drilling holes that may or may not fix issues, I'm really glad I did. Thus, the recommendation on the order page to mount at -12. Krypton skiers (read: more upright) may actually like them a lot at -11, though. All depends on how you like to drive your skis.

I've skied a lot of aluminum laminate skis over the years, including OG LPs, LP105s, XXLs,B-Squads,OG Mantras,and similar. There's no real difference in dampness. The R/FL/FR layup really is the business. Helps that the core actually feels lively and responsive.

Go buy! They're awesome!

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[bry]

Arild that's awesome thanks for sharing. I love the 187 SD105 how do you think the 186 R105 would compare fairly, the profile looks v similar

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[arild]

Arild that's awesome thanks for sharing. I love the 187 SD105 how do you think the 186 R105 would compare fairly, the profile looks v similar

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No problem! Been itching to get it out of my system.

Glad you asked.

The SD105 (cambered, latest gen) 187 will be a bit more pointed than the R105 186(which I haven't skied, since none exist as of now,I think). Both are fall line seekers, both crush varying degrees of shitty snow, and both are pretty fucking awesome.

The cambered SD187 (like the FL105s) will probably feel a bit more planted going flat out, but once you're on edge, the difference is likely to evaporate. The sidecut of the R186 will be a bit more aggressive than the SD187(27.5 vs 37-38mR), so you'll get a more "turned on" turn initiation, and they will release quite a bit easier, even though the SD tail is pretty heavily tapered in comparison.

All in all, somewhat different skis to pursue the same types of snow, or fulfill the same role, and the FL(cambered) will be quite a lot more similar to the SDs, potatoes to potatoes. Where the Rs simply will be better than the SDs is by tip floatation. If I had to name a ski the R105 192s would be most similar to, skiing, it would probably be the first gen, super long/low rockered SD105 202s.

Hope that helps, Bry! Message me any time you want to discuss straightish gofastboards. [emoji16]

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[kokomas]

I'm losing track, which is the everyday tram racing ski I desire? The FL 105? R105? R110? Still haven't seen a pair in line up here, would be nice to

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[Marshal Olson]

IMO - the FL105 is the tram racing ski of choice

[jackattack]

I'm losing track, which is the everyday tram racing ski I desire? The FL 105? R105? R110? Still haven't seen a pair in line up here, would be nice to

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FL105 for more firm than soft
R110 for more soft than firm

[kokomas]

I'd say the main competitors are Cochise, M102, Peak 104 / 110, also the odd black ops or mpros/frees. Most of those or not all have titanal right? It is so choice, I love to drive it in my movement gos (awesome but undergunned). Why are we not doing the titanal, again? I'm not nostalgic, I want the smoothest dampest ride in the chop but mostly the runout. Though there are increasing numbers of ZX108s which are all wood and no glass right? Believe SuperGaper is rocking those, not that I can turn like him.

Lastish question, are the FL105s more composed in the runout than say the Goliaths used to be? I wasn't a strong skier then but those wood skis were always too punishing without enough reward imo

Thanks

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[SkiJitsu]

I'd say the main competitors are Cochise, M102, Peak 104 / 110, also the odd black ops or mpros/frees. Most of those or not all have titanal right? It is so choice, I love to drive it in my movement gos (awesome but undergunned). Why are we not doing the titanal, again? I'm not nostalgic, I want the smoothest dampest ride in the chop but mostly the runout. Though there are increasing numbers of ZX108s which are all wood and no glass right? Believe SuperGaper is rocking those, not that I can turn like him.

Lastish question, are the FL105s more composed in the runout than say the Goliaths used to be? I wasn't a strong skier then but those wood skis were always too punishing without enough reward imo

Only a few days on the FL105 so far but I can compare what I've seen so far to my experience on the Cochise and M102. I think the FL105 is pretty different from both. I think that the FL105 does a better job of muting out really rough snow than either of those. Last night I was on the FL105 and conditions were a pretty heinous mix of hot pow on top of melting ice. I wasn't charging too hard and figured my top speed would be around 35 - 40 mph. I looked at my watch and got up to 52mph. I was shocked because of how smooth it felt. It's like driving a really good car when you don't realize you're speeding because it's so smooth.

I think the FL105 is closer to the Cochise than M102 (but better than the Cochise in every way). You won't be laying super tight turns, but I'd say it's similar to the Cochise. The biggest difference I found with the Cochise is off piste where the Cochise is easy to break the tails free and likes to skid around versus the FL105 that I think pivots better. So I find that I ski the Cochise more like a trophy truck and just try and smash the mountain where I have a lot more options with the FL105. For how heavy the FL105 is, it doesn't feel like that when skiing and you can skid and pivot or ski it fairly dynamically. For me, the FL105 beats the Cochise everywhere and I would take it all day long.

The M102 is a different tool and I want both in the quiver. (Yes, I have an n+1 problem.) The M102 is significantly more precise and a better carver. While the M102 is pretty damp, the FL105 is another level, the construction just mutes everything out. I haven't had enough time in all kinds of different snow conditions but so far the FL105 feels about a easy to release the tail but I can charge funky snow harder on it. So if it's lower tide I'd opt for the M102, the more snow or more rough conditions will go to the FL105.

[banzai]

I was considering the Cochise, but arild said no way [emoji1]


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[2FUNKY]

I'd say the main competitors are Cochise, M102, Peak 104 / 110, also the odd black ops or mpros/frees. Most of those or not all have titanal right? It is so choice, I love to drive it in my movement gos (awesome but undergunned). Why are we not doing the titanal, again? I'm not nostalgic, I want the smoothest dampest ride in the chop but mostly the runout. Though there are increasing numbers of ZX108s which are all wood and no glass right? Believe SuperGaper is rocking those, not that I can turn like him.

Lastish question, are the FL105s more composed in the runout than say the Goliaths used to be? I wasn't a strong skier then but those wood skis were always too punishing without enough reward imo

Thanks

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If wanting metal, do not overlook the R99 Comp. That build just makes all things underfoot disappear.


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