Wasatch 23/24 Stoke Thread: Red Snake Coverage coming at you live from tgapp's fartba

[baron]

Oh sorry I was responding to headrush's shoulder injury story from Solly this week, that happened a few years back.

Got my shoulder repaired and rehabbed and I'm in great shape. Well, I'm in terrible shape but through no fault of my shoulder.

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ohhhh guess im still not used to reading on the smartphone..i missed 1/2 the story there.! lmao

>guess we'll have to extend that get well to Headrush!

[skiSilent_skiDeep]

About ski area boundaries on FS land: A ski area cannot close the boundary; you may legally duck a rope if it is on the boundary.
What ski areas can do is control access to the ski area boundary; you cannot duck a closed rope within the ski area.
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interesting.
hah, to think that all this time id get all worked-up over a couple of folks i know of who on occasion will skin up a beat-out scotties bowl, then proceed to duck the rope and 'poach' untracked thunder bowl zone, exit gully, out thunder alley after-hours because the 'bird never opens the whitepine gate, are in fact doing so legally(?). well-played gents.

[ski_the_fraulein]

interesting.
hah, to think that all this time id get all worked-up over a couple of folks i know of who on occasion will skin up a beat-out scotties bowl, then proceed to duck the rope and 'poach' untracked thunder bowl zone, exit gully, out thunder alley after-hours because the 'bird never opens the whitepine gate, are in fact doing so legally(?). well-played gents.

Legally?

Yes

Safely?

….


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[ski_the_fraulein]

interesting.
hah, to think that all this time id get all worked-up over a couple of folks i know of who on occasion will skin up a beat-out scotties bowl, then proceed to duck the rope and 'poach' untracked thunder bowl zone, exit gully, out thunder alley after-hours because the 'bird never opens the whitepine gate, are in fact doing so legally(?). well-played gents.

Legally?

Yes

Safely?

YMMV….


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[telefreewasatch]

interesting.
hah, to think that all this time id get all worked-up over a couple of folks i know of who on occasion will skin up a beat-out scotties bowl, then proceed to duck the rope and 'poach' untracked thunder bowl zone, exit gully, out thunder alley after-hours because the 'bird never opens the whitepine gate, are in fact doing so legally(?). well-played gents.

One may enter the backcountry from an open portion of the ski area adjacent to the boundary.
One may not enter a closed portion of a ski area from the backcountry.
Only if that terrain is open.
Scotties Bowl used to be in Snowbird's permit area, not any more, the boundary is Thunder ridge between T bowl and Scottie's.
One may not violate a closed portion of a ski area no matter how one gets there without potential prosecution if caught.

Something to add that many folks don't know:
You may duck ropes in a ski area as long as they are not marked with closed skier or enter thru gates signs that should be visible from one to the next.
If a rope has no signs, or if it is marked with caution or warning cliff signs it is fair game to duck.
That rope is only there for a heads up...

[tBatt]

Something to add that many folks don't know:
You may duck ropes in a ski area as long as they are not marked with closed skier or enter thru gates signs that should be visible from one to the next.
If a rope has no signs, or if it is marked with caution or warning cliff signs it is fair game to duck.
That rope is only there for a heads up...

I was thinking about this yesterday.
While certainly true in LCC, I'm not sure that's the case in other areas.

I was looking at land ownership and was surprised to see CC Alta LP is the owner of most of the land in Griz and Patsy. Anyone know who/what that is? Mining claims?

[snowaddict91]

I was thinking about this yesterday.
While certainly true in LCC, I'm not sure that's the case in other areas.

That's my experience. When I first started skiing in Utah, it felt pretty weird to duck a rope. Definitely can't do that at any of the resorts around here, unless it's a resort boundary.

[Dantheman]

I was looking at land ownership and was surprised to see CC Alta LP is the owner of most of the land in Griz and Patsy. Anyone know who/what that is? Mining claims?

I thought this was common knowledge. That's why Alta has been threatening to put a lift up Griz for years.

[crankplank]

One may enter the backcountry from an open portion of the ski area adjacent to the boundary.
One may not enter a closed portion of a ski area from the backcountry.
Only if that terrain is open.
Scotties Bowl used to be in Snowbird's permit area, not any more, the boundary is Thunder ridge between T bowl and Scottie's.
One may not violate a closed portion of a ski area no matter how one gets there without potential prosecution if caught.

Something to add that many folks don't know:
You may duck ropes in a ski area as long as they are not marked with closed skier or enter thru gates signs that should be visible from one to the next.
If a rope has no signs, or if it is marked with caution or warning cliff signs it is fair game to duck.
That rope is only there for a heads up...

Appreciate the response and discussion. I had suspected as much about the inbounds ropes w no signage. My question about the usfs boundaries is well answered, thanks.

Great morning up there today. Textured pow up high was beautiful, rode really fast. It was not bonded well, I dropped diagonal and descended with all my sluff buffeting my ankles on my first lap. Perfect mineral morning, fast and flowy with hardly a soul around. Got just enough sun too.

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[tgapp]

Shrubitude with the volunteer grom.

it's pretty bleak up there, time to get ullr involved

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[tBatt]

I thought this was common knowledge. That's why Alta has been threatening to put a lift up Griz for years.

CC Alta LP =/= Alta Ski Lifts, to my knowledge. There is also plenty of land on the map that is owned by ASL, but it was considerably less than I thought. Business search says it expired in 2005 though, maybe ASL bought the land from them since and the parcel map hasn't been updated.

Supreme - Rocky Pt - Scythe - THC - Lower Heavens Gate - Grizz today.

Clouds were in and out, we were wondering if going across the street into the sun was the better move. Pleasantly surprised with the conditions.
Scythe had lots of shallow soft slabs breaking on us, 4-6" up top and 1-4" down lower. Very predictably breaking at our feet.

[Bunion 2020]

Something to add that many folks don't know:
You may duck ropes in a ski area as long as they are not marked with closed skier or enter thru gates signs that should be visible from one to the next.
If a rope has no signs, or if it is marked with caution or warning cliff signs it is fair game to duck.
That rope is only there for a heads up...

This is the way all ski areas should operate

I was thinking about this yesterday.
While certainly true in LCC, I'm not sure that's the case in other areas.

This is the correct answer.

[telefreewasatch]

Two winters ago I was skiing with and behind a Big Sky troller off of and under Challanger Chair.
Ducked a rope to miss rocks (there's a coupla rocks at that ski area).
Troller on the lift shook his finger and head. I gathered that ducking ropes was not ok at BS.
How come you no fix that during yer tenure, Bunion?

Anyway, if anybody gets busted fer rope ducking when its only hazard marking outside of the LCC, just tell em that TFW said it was ok.
Kinda like a get outta jail free card and all...

[Bunion 2020]

When I was at Big Sky I was only a lowly avi forecaster. When I was the PD at Moonlight our policy was a Closed Sign (or its cousins) was required for an area to be considered closed. I got to make up or change a lot of rules.

Punishment, MLB style.


End of day closure and this kid was able to ollie over it. Removed his pass for a week and had him stand under the liftline for 2 hours on the following Saturday. He was heckled.

These days what with a pro staff of + 125 it is no telling what policy is enforced (or not) at BS.

[NBABUCKS1]

Anyway, if anybody gets busted fer rope ducking when its only hazard marking outside of the LCC, just tell em that TFW said it was ok.
Kinda like a get outta jail free card and all...

*prints post, laminates it and puts it in ski jacket*

[Gepeto]

... I need mine notarized before laminating

[crankplank]

When I was at Big Sky I was only a lowly avi forecaster. When I was the PD at Moonlight our policy was a Closed Sign (or its cousins) was required for an area to be considered closed. I got to make up or change a lot of rules.

Punishment, MLB style.


End of day closure and this kid was able to ollie over it. Removed his pass for a week and had him stand under the liftline for 2 hours on the following Saturday. He was heckled.

These days what with a pro staff of + 125 it is no telling what policy is enforced (or not) at BS.

I thought all those ropes were for ollieing (sp???) over to keep out teh beaterz

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[tgapp]

are we doing shame signs now?

from yesterday at shrubitude

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[baron]

are we doing shame signs now?

from yesterday at shrubitude

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as long as you dont lick your finger clean>that's fine

get some while its good...under little cloud is pretty ripping today.. sampled some b4 work today. Top 1k vert of the bird is probaly still very fun, but I didnt have time to sample a bunch different angles

[D-Roc]

^Can confirm, twas a great afternoon for ski stroll at the boid

I think the tense of the 'You Park Like Shit' is too outward, meaning an outsider would assume the occupant of said shitty Subaru is outwardly saying to the reader you (person aka subject) park like shit.

I would say 'Shitty at Parking' referencing the occupant of said shitty Subaru is the actually subject of the statement. Just my 0.02 there.

- Grammar Gestapo

[byates1]

" I paerk lik Moran"

[D-Roc]

ICONT Paerk

[Dantheman]

CC Alta LP =/= Alta Ski Lifts, to my knowledge. There is also plenty of land on the map that is owned by ASL, but it was considerably less than I thought. Business search says it expired in 2005 though, maybe ASL bought the land from them since and the parcel map hasn't been updated.

I meant common knowledge that it was mostly privately owned. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that CC Alta LP is some kind of shell corp/holding company/etc. Out-of-date ownership info is also possible, but SLCo is pretty good about that data current.

Anyone looked at the 16-day outlook today? It's...not good: http://wxmaps.org/outlooks.php

[alias_rice]

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Anyone looked at the 16-day outlook today? It's...not good: http://wxmaps.org/outlooks.php

Ooof. Yin and Yang of life I guess. Payment for last year.

[Dantheman]

Regression to the mean.