Moment Skis Discussion

[GoSlowGoFar]

Did some searching in this thread and got annoyed trying to piece together info so thought I’d just ask here.

Bit the bullet and snagged a Wildcat 184, been on the DW for a number of years. Love the DW as an all around ski, but want something a little more soft snow leaning due to the DW getting a little bogged down mounted on the line. Contemplating just going -1 from rec on the Wildcat, anyone notice any negatives going -1 versus rec?

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Did some searching in this thread and got annoyed trying to piece together info so thought I’d just ask here.

Bit the bullet and snagged a Wildcat 184, been on the DW for a number of years. Love the DW as an all around ski, but want something a little more soft snow leaning due to the DW getting a little bogged down mounted on the line. Contemplating just going -1 from rec on the Wildcat, anyone notice any negatives going -1 versus rec?

Tbh I don’t notice much more float out of the kitty than I do the DW.

I never stray from the recommended line but I also don’t think -1cm you’ll notice any more drivability or float.

[tenB]

Did some searching in this thread and got annoyed trying to piece together info so thought I’d just ask here.

Bit the bullet and snagged a Wildcat 184, been on the DW for a number of years. Love the DW as an all around ski, but want something a little more soft snow leaning due to the DW getting a little bogged down mounted on the line. Contemplating just going -1 from rec on the Wildcat, anyone notice any negatives going -1 versus rec?

No real negatives at -1, especially if it’s your biggest ski. Imo the forward lean on your boots matters a lot to where the best mount point is on the Wildcat. More centered boots = more centered mount. Any kind of forward lean, mount a cm or so back.

You’ll notice a substantial difference in float between the DW and the WC especially in junkier or heavier snow. The WC can just mach silly tracked out snow and slash and drift through it with a lot more power. The DW needs a more delicate line selection in deeper variable snow, especially if it’s tracked.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

No real negatives at -1, especially if it’s your biggest ski. Imo the forward lean on your boots matters a lot to where the best mount point is on the Wildcat. More centered boots = more centered mount. Any kind of forward lean, mount a cm or so back.

You’ll notice a substantial difference in float between the DW and the WC especially in junkier or heavier snow. The WC can just mach silly tracked out snow and slash and drift through it with a lot more power. The DW needs a more delicate line selection in deeper variable snow, especially if it’s tracked.

I would say this is more suspension of the ski vs float no? For instance the new Nocta I had during last season floated much better in pure pow than my banana however when it gets all chopped up I would much be on the nanner.

[tenB]

I would say this is more suspension of the ski vs float no? For instance the new Nocta I had during last season floated much better in pure pow than my banana however when it gets all chopped up I would much be on the nanner.

I disagree, plenty of soft noodles are great floating pure powder skis. The WC is substantially wider than the DW and the rocker profile makes even a bigger difference imo. For me the WC108 floats better than the DW in powder, the trade off is the DW can hold better on firm.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

I disagree, plenty of soft noodles are great floating pure powder skis. The WC is substantially wider than the DW and the rocker profile makes even a bigger difference imo. For me the WC108 floats better than the DW in powder, the trade off is the DW can hold better on firm.

112 vs 116?

We can agree to disagree. I just think having a DW in the quiver I would want to go a touch wider for my pow ski. But even with the overlap the wildcat is a shitload of fun and you won’t regret having it in your quiver.

[FloridaSnow]

I disagree, plenty of soft noodles are great floating pure powder skis. The WC is substantially wider than the DW and the rocker profile makes even a bigger difference imo. For me the WC108 floats better than the DW in powder, the trade off is the DW can hold better on firm.

Correct across the board. My Chetler 120 floats great but doesn’t perform anywhere near as good as my Wildcat 190 or my Wildcat 108.
And they all float better than my deathwish 112. Including the cat 108.

[FloridaSnow]

I disagree, plenty of soft noodles are great floating pure powder skis. The WC is substantially wider than the DW and the rocker profile makes even a bigger difference imo. For me the WC108 floats better than the DW in powder, the trade off is the DW can hold better on firm.

112 vs 116?

We can agree to disagree. I just think having a DW in the quiver I would want to go a touch wider for my pow ski. But even with the overlap the wildcat is a shitload of fun and you won’t regret having it in your quiver.

you can agree to disagree but you'd still be wrong. It’s not just 112-116. The deathwish skis narrower because of the triple camber. The wildcat skis wider because of the rocker profile. And if you jump up to the 118 Wildcat like I have there is no comparison. My deathwish 112 doesn’t compare float wise.

as mentioned below my cat 108 floats better than my wish 112.

[flyingskiguy]

order rolled in last week

186 GT mounted up -1
184 DWT 104 on the line.

agreed on the above comments on fit & finish of these skis - awesome build quality. thank you moment!

[FloridaSnow]

order rolled in last week

186 GT mounted up -1
184 DWT 104 on the line.

agreed on the above comments on fit & finish of these skis - awesome build quality. thank you moment!

here I was thinking my spare forza pivots would look weird with the GT top sheet because of the yellow. Was going to use a spare black and blue strive. You may have changed my mind. Just hate pivots in powder

[FloridaSnow]

order rolled in last week

186 GT mounted up -1
184 DWT 104 on the line.

agreed on the above comments on fit & finish of these skis - awesome build quality. thank you moment!

am I seeing things or are those 115 pivots stretched? Looks super close to be the 130’s. I have tons of space with my 130 over my 120 ski.

[flyingskiguy]

am I seeing things or are those 115 pivots stretched? Looks super close to be the 130’s. I have tons of space with my 130 over my 120 ski.

115, very good fit with a small bend

[FloridaSnow]

115, very good fit with a small bend

looks good. Like my 95’s on my blades.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

115, very good fit with a small bend

I actually debated throwing a 115 brake on my GT when they got here but I thought the 194 being that extra 2cm would not allow them to fit.

Those forzas look incredible. Great work.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

you can agree to disagree but you'd still be wrong. It’s not just 112-116. The deathwish skis narrower because of the triple camber. The wildcat skis wider because of the rocker profile. And if you jump up to the 118 Wildcat like I have there is no comparison. My deathwish 112 doesn’t compare float wise.

as mentioned below my cat 108 floats better than my wish 112.

lol triple camber wouldn’t have any change in float.

I can see your point on the fat cat although not a subsatinial difference if any but the 108 based upon specs shouldn’t float better than a DW. 4cm wider in the tip and mid as well as a softer tip and tail. Rocker isn’t the only gauge of how something floats.

[FloridaSnow]

lol triple camber wouldn’t have any change in float.

I can see your point on the fat cat although not a subsatinial difference if any but the 108 based upon specs shouldn’t float better than a DW. 4cm wider in the tip and mid as well as a softer tip and tail. Rocker isn’t the only gauge of how something floats.

triple camber absolutely changes float. Triple came is known to make them ski more narrow. Moment has said as much. I’m curious have you skied all these in powder? Because I have. I own them all. And I can tell you for a fact my deathwish 112 floats less then my cat 108 and cat 118. As mentioned below by tenb he’s has the same experience. Rocker profile will dramatically change how the ski floats. Your comment about the not a substantial difference on the 118 actually shows you’re giving an opinion and not a factual based experience. The 118 floats way better than the rest. Just a fact.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

triple camber absolutely changes float. Triple came is known to make them ski more narrow. Moment has said as much. I’m curious have you skied all these in powder? Because I have. I own them all. And I can tell you for a fact my deathwish 112 floats less then my cat 108 and cat 118. As mentioned below by tenb he’s has the same experience. Rocker profile will dramatically change how the ski floats. Your comment about the not a substantial difference on the 118 actually shows you’re giving an opinion and not a factual based experience. The 118 floats way better than the rest. Just a fact.

I was referring to his widths since he has the 184…

And as I said “I don’t notice” meaning it’s my opinion.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

triple camber absolutely changes float. Triple came is known to make them ski more narrow. Moment has said as much. I’m curious have you skied all these in powder? Because I have. I own them all. And I can tell you for a fact my deathwish 112 floats less then my cat 108 and cat 118. As mentioned below by tenb he’s has the same experience. Rocker profile will dramatically change how the ski floats. Your comment about the not a substantial difference on the 118 actually shows you’re giving an opinion and not a factual based experience. The 118 floats way better than the rest. Just a fact.

Also triple camber makes it ski more narrow when the ski is tipped on edge. It doesn’t make it float less…

[FloridaSnow]

lol triple camber wouldn’t have any change in float.

I can see your point on the fat cat although not a subsatinial difference if any but the 108 based upon specs shouldn’t float better than a DW. 4cm wider in the tip and mid as well as a softer tip and tail. Rocker isn’t the only gauge of how something floats.

and fyi it’s 4MM wider. Not CM. Which is .15 inches. Because they’re so close in width the profile becomes even more important in maximum float. Again a triple camber ski does ski narrower than a rocker camber like the cat. Which is how the 108 cat floats just as good if not better than the 112 deathwish.

[FloridaSnow]

I was referring to his widths since he has the 184…

And as I said “I don’t notice” meaning it’s my opinion.

if you’re comparing his 184wc than the dw will be at an even larger disadvantage in pow. You’re now adding more width to the cat on a profile that’s already better suited to pure powder. Remember the wildcat was/is considered a powder ski. The desthwish was not. That’s not to say you can’t ski a dw. Of course you can. But just like the wildcat will be better than the wish the banana and the gt will be better than the wc. There’s always something bigger and better.

[skuff]

looks good. Like my 95’s on my blades.

That's an amazing binding/blade combo



*tried to include your photo but I couldn't figure out how to do that

[Bandit Man]

Anyone able to compare the latest Wildcat (116) to the 2012 Bibby Pro? How about the WC to an Asym Billy Goat? Kicking around picking up a powder ski like the 190 WC that doesn’t suck outside of deep snow. Haven’t been on a Moment since those 2012’s and curious what the last one feels/skis like in comparison.


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[Velomayniac]

Anyone able to compare the latest Wildcat (116) to the 2012 Bibby Pro? How about the WC to an Asym Billy Goat? Kicking around picking up a powder ski like the 190 WC that doesn’t suck outside of deep snow. Haven’t been on a Moment since those 2012’s and curious what the last one feels/skis like in comparison.


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190s are 118mm underfoot, but still have great edge hold. I daily drove them one season, n I had thinner skis. Longer radius though, they want speed and aren’t going to carve against fall line unless you force them. They more like to turn against the fall line in the air, not on the ground. Great grip on ice in longer carves for their width though.

I skied 2013 Bibby Pros and 2019 Wildcats. I thought 2019s were lighter and slightly less damp, but still very stable. 2019s were easier to ski all day and less swing weight. 95% the same ski.

Newer Wildcats are supposed to be more damp like older Bibby Pros, but still ever so slightly easier to ski all day than Bibbys. Seems like a best of album

This shape crushes the whole mtn, especially west coast. It’s not ridiculously floaty in light and dry pow, but I never found BGs to be either(never skied asym BGs, only asym SGs n C&Ds). WCs are much more versatile than BGs, like a giant slightly directional park ski. WC slay Sierra cement nearly as well for me in the 190 with 27m radius. Not catchy or grabby whatsoever in weird west coast snow, WCs excel in that funky stuff.

[skialpy]

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My favorite ski of all time thanks to RTR this will be joining my quiver in December. It will be getting some STH 2 16. Can’t wait.


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Such a great pow ski. The OG

[GoSlowGoFar]

Appreciate the input on mount point for the Wildcats, will likely go -1.

I don’t expect them to be night and day different than the DW in pow but it seems just the deeper rocker lines and a little more width and rearward mount will be an improvement.