ON3P SKIS Discussion

[GoSlowGoFar]

I'm sure we should shut down a thread because a couple of blow hards get mad about changes in ski design, or a CS issue that we only hear one side of.

Dad joke was over your head apparently. Quit yer bitchin’ and go ski or something.

[cocoapuff]

New BG pushes toward the looser side with reduced camber but maintains some tail of yesteryear to not wash out on you. Jeffreys and Woodsman are as dialed as they ever have been. Graphics are sharp. Whats all the fuss?

[kid-kapow]

I mounted my new BG without RES clones aka Volkl Revolt 114s today, put them next to my BGs and Lotus117, did not terribly like the shape of the nose / taper points up front (they look turny and not as good at cutting through stuff (wider shovels, anrrower waist) and then decided to keep the other two. I meant to take a side by side r114 vs BG pick, but forgot to.

I know I moan a lot about the hard snow prowess of BG, but man - the 2016 version's shape is so dialed outside of that one performance requirement.

And yeah, the asym and 182 outgoing BG118 is super nice as well.

dammit - I am looking forward to getting some time on my BGs and C&Ds

Edit to add the pics

The taper lines on the R114 is a bit different than the other two out back, just like the BG is the happy medium in terms of taper up front. The tails have less splay on both the Revolts and Lotus117s than the BG

[skuff]

I can't wait for the fatter jeff to drop, if rumours are to be believed.

Wait... what rumors, how wide?

[tuco]

I'm just here for the CaylorJeffrey/Kartel/Jeffrey stoke.

I've been hoping for the wider Jeff platform for yrs now. Wallet gets busted out if it comes to fruition!
Won't even need to wait for the Blister reviews

[Velomayniac]

I know I moan a lot about the hard snow prowess of BG

I don’t understand why?

The BG was designed to make short work of funky wet mank, and any dramatic increase in hard snow performance WILL tank the mank performance significantly.

Where do you ski?

[2FUNKY]

I don’t understand why?

The BG was designed to make short work of funky wet mank, and any dramatic increase in hard snow performance WILL tank the mank performance significantly.

Where do you ski?

Agreed and never had an issue on firm snow on the BG. But honestly that was just on groomers getting back the lift. Go fast and make big turns, they crave just fine. If the mountain was firm in most places the BG was the wrong ski to be on.


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[kid-kapow]

I don’t understand why?

The BG was designed to make short work of funky wet mank, and any dramatic increase in hard snow performance WILL tank the mank performance significantly.

Oh, I know and

Agreed and never had an issue on firm snow on the BG. But honestly that was just on groomers getting back the lift. Go fast and make big turns, they crave just fine. If the mountain was firm in most places the BG was the wrong ski to be on.

yes, I am overthinking thi a bit. But, two foot carving down what little groomers I ride on the BGs is so much less inspiring than say MF118s or Koala118/119s that I would not really opt for running the BG as my single 11x type ski - even if they absolutely crush at what they are good at.

But alas, it was not really my intent to start a debate regarding the hard snow prowess of a ski that is designed to slay variable and fresh, especially when they do their intended job so well.

Where do you ski?

mostly around this area:

the other resorts I ride have a ton more groomer time regardless of what run you are on.

Wait... what rumors, how wide?

source

[Velomayniac]

Agreed and never had an issue on firm snow on the BG. But honestly that was just on groomers getting back the lift. Go fast and make big turns, they crave just fine. If the mountain was firm in most places the BG was the wrong ski to be on.


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I have never had an issue either. I prioritize edge reliability, but I’m not much of a short turn carver. I rarely carve in general. When I’m on BGs I’m avoiding groomers like the plague, just skiing straight down them back to the lift to get to the good stuff.

I guess every ski has to <3heartcarve nowadays in order to sell well. BG has to work in New England and Scandinavia too.

For me, if the newer BGs are even 5-10% worse in mank, and if they lose any of that RES super surfiness, they are no longer justifiable over other skis like Wildcats or Bodacious. Who cares about me though, especially if 1000 people east of me get to enjoy Billy Goats.

[eSock]

speaking of billy goats...put my skinny tour versions up in gear swap

[riff]

Speaking of BG’s, I just stopped by the Stevens Pass patrol housing and was happy to see this is still up…


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[teledad]

Looking for a full width BG tour (184ish) if anyone’s selling…

[beeeom]

Big goat guy over here, but I must say, that revolt 114 had me curious...

[tuco]

Caylor stoke!



Bring on the Jeff124(or6)!!

[Velomayniac]

Big goat guy over here, but I must say, that revolt 114 had me curious...

Something looks wrong with those older ones, send them to me for proper disposal.

I haven’t found used 2014-2017 BGs in a long time.

[phatty]

Something looks wrong with those older ones, send them to me for proper disposal.

I haven’t found used 2014-2017 BGs in a long time.

Yeah, they don't come up much. I picked up a pair of 2014 last year off Craigslist in Bend, OR and had a Mag help with transit. I'm always on the lookout, too.

[cocoapuff]

I haven’t found used 2014-2017 BGs in a long time.

Just scored some minty, once-drilled 186cm bear claws, 2013's I believe. Been searching for awhile now. Only caveat... they are light (2150g/ski). Called factory with serial number and they are in fact tour build. Throw pins on em and lug uphill for a ridiculously fun, albeit heavy pow ski or let em go....? Tell me how good they are. Or don't so I sell em...

[kid-kapow]

speaking of billy goats...put my skinny tour versions up in gear swap

these are phenomenal touring skis - highly recommended. I regret selling my 184s - true hero skis

[sf]

Just scored some minty, once-drilled 186cm bear claws, 2013's I believe. Been searching for awhile now. Only caveat... they are light (2150g/ski). Called factory with serial number and they are in fact tour build. Throw pins on em and lug uphill for a ridiculously fun, albeit heavy pow ski or let em go....? Tell me how good they are. Or don't so I sell em...

Absolutely mount them with solid tech bindings and go shred pow and funky crusts.

I had a pair of those in 191. Insane float and crust handling in open terrain / untouched snow, but the shape writes checks the flex can’t cash in cut up inbounds and heavier snow - at least in the 191. Too much leverage from the tips and tail. At least that what my memory tells me.

But you’ll never find as good a touring pow ski, worth every gram.

I bought a pair of 184 asyms from Kid, and after one day I’ll probably retire my bmt109s

[adrenalated]

Just scored some minty, once-drilled 186cm bear claws, 2013's I believe. Been searching for awhile now. Only caveat... they are light (2150g/ski). Called factory with serial number and they are in fact tour build. Throw pins on em and lug uphill for a ridiculously fun, albeit heavy pow ski or let em go....? Tell me how good they are. Or don't so I sell em...

Those older "tour" skis are not very similar to the current tour skis. Still a full bamboo core, milled a bit thinner and more carbon in the composite layup.
At the time ON3P's standard layup skied significantly more damp and smooth than basically any other ski on the market without metal (and with a lot of pop as well, because bamboo). I felt like the "tour" layup skied more like everyone else's damp-ish non-metal resort layups (Praxis, Moment, Volkl, etc). The flex was slightly more round than the standard skis.

All of that's to say - they are still really good resort skis.

[kid-kapow]

I bought a pair of 184 asyms from Kid, and after one day I’ll probably retire my bmt109s

hm, did I just make a terrible mistake?

I mean, retire BMT109s is a big statement - those skis are awesome as well.

Luckily I still have my pair of 182 BG118s. They would make for great - if somewhat heavy - touring skis as well

[paal]

Absolutely mount them with solid tech bindings and go shred pow and funky crusts.

I had a pair of those in 191. Insane float and crust handling in open terrain / untouched snow, but the shape writes checks the flex can’t cash in cut up inbounds and heavier snow - at least in the 191. Too much leverage from the tips and tail. At least that what my memory tells me.

But you’ll never find as good a touring pow ski, worth every gram.

I bought a pair of 184 asyms from Kid, and after one day I’ll probably retire my bmt109s

Found a sneak peak of your old babies on google photos

I persuaded a friend of mine to buy them up when I saw the your finn-add some years ago. I really do regret not buying them myself though. He uses them inbounds to supplement his Wrenegades. Great combo, though I guess the regular version would be superior for that. He still calls them his "cheat skis". I haven't skied them myself; only the similar 191s in regular layup as well as the slightly changed 16/17 model (and the 193 SG)

Hopefully Ill be able to do some back to back testing of the 191 regular VS tour this season

[kid-kapow]

I persuaded a friend of mine to buy them up when I saw the your finn-add some years ago.

You should persuade one of your friends to acquire my 189 C&Ds and experience true deep day bliss

I keep getting these thoughts that I should trim them into 186s and just keep them for myself But then again I am really happy with my 184s.

[RudyGarmisch]

But you’ll never find as good a touring pow ski, worth every gram.

Steeple 102 with RES

[Velomayniac]

Wish I never got rid of my Steeple 112s