This week in Canada.

[Percy Rideout]

Ya know youve gone full moran when you join a circle jerk with ass pen and smooth brain scotty. Traitor tots

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Attack the messenger, but no mention of the message? I'm starting to see a pattern with your ilk.

[m2711c]

[garyfromterrace]

Previously in this thread I've ranted on about changing the electoral system in Canada from the first past the post system. In this system a party that only gets 39% of the vote can form a majority. That's fucked


I mentioned that I've joined a movement to get our system changed to one that ensures a more equitable outcome to elections where you're vote actually carries weight. Here's an update to the organization's progress to change our electoral system:


"Dear Gary,

A couple of weeks ago, I got an email that I want to share with you:

“Dear Anita,

Currently I am vacationing in the Netherlands. While watching the daily Dutch news presentation on television my jaw dropped.

Party members walked across the aisles to other parties in an effort to make agreements on strategies for combating high prices that affect the cost of living…”

The result of these conversations? The Dutch MPs passed motions to raise the minimum wage and social benefits, increase childcare support and delay raising gas taxes.

MPs of different partisan stripes working together to solve problems happens every day in many countries with proportional representation.

What is a jaw-dropping and disorienting experience for a Canadian observer wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow in many countries.

Denmark is another example of how working across party lines can get things done.

Denmark already has a broad coalition government. It consists of parties spanning the political spectrum from left to right. Despite already having a majority to pass whatever budget they wanted, the government invited opposition parties to the table to help decide how money is spent.

In the end, almost every party, representing over 90% of voters, approved the last budget.

Instead of our leaders repeating that every major problem in Canada is another party’s fault, imagine if they worked together on the toughest challenges of our times.

We’re just not going to get there with first-past-the-post.

Canadians’ deepest fear about the future
If you watch the news, you’d be forgiven for thinking that the biggest fear that most Canadians have about the future is the housing crisis. Or the healthcare crisis. Or, especially, the affordability crisis.

There’s no doubt that the painfully high cost of living is top of mind.

But when EKOS asked Canadians what their deepest fear for Canada’s future was, it wasn’t the price of groceries, health care, housing or even climate change. Canadians’ greatest fear about the future was “growing political and ideological polarization.”

Polarization.

Toxic, divisive politics that pits us against them, neighbour against neighbour.

It’s a mean-spirited view of others that’s driven by blind partisanship. It divides us into what journalist Justin Ling calls “agitated clusters of comforting rage”.

When partisan leaders act as if those in other parties are dangerous, morally bankrupt or stupid, that kind of politics eventually impacts how we see each other as human beings.

While Canadians are worried about many important issues, at a deeper level we’re concerned about the ability of a more polarized political system to solve them.

Worrying signs that Canadians’ fears are justified
A new report this year, Far and widening: The rise of polarization in Canada, concluded that polarization is growing in Canada.

The researchers engaged 1600 young adults aged 18–35 in discussion roundtables across the country and an in-depth survey. They found that 44% of young adults believe the political stability of Canada is threatened by the political division of its people.

Instead of incentivizing political leadership to turn down the temperature, our winner-take-all system has trapped us in a vicious feedback loop. As the report notes:

“Parties see a benefit in stepping up the demonization of each other…. They know this polarization exists and they see a benefit in exploiting it.”

It “resembles the growing mutual hostility Democrats and Republicans hold towards one another in the United States.”

MPs quoted in the report explained: “Parties are whipping up anger and distrust amongst their core supporters for money. Those supporters are becoming increasingly fervent in their beliefs, distrustful of rival parties and demanding of ideological purity…. The party must in turn become more confrontational and dogmatic.”

Imploring political leaders to do better―when the system rewards them for demonizing partisan opponents―just isn’t working.

Citizen leadership to deliver proven solutions
In the coming months, Parliament will be voting on Motion M-86 for a National Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform.

This is an historic moment. In Canada’s history, federal Parliamentarians have never before had an opportunity to vote on a proposal like this.

Winning this vote matters more than ever.

While there is no way to flip a switch and fix what’s wrong with politics (including polarization), the research is clear:

Winner-take-all systems like first-past-the-post create a political culture that is more polarized.

On the other hand, proportional representation reduces partisan hostility among voters. It can even reduce the amount of anger between MPs in Parliament.

Fair representation and collaborative governance pay off for citizens on the issues that matter.

Countries with proportional representation not only rank at the top of every democracy index, they have the best outcomes on health, human development, economic growth, and environmental protection.

Does your MP support a National Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform?
When politics is getting in the way of progress, putting a non-partisan, independent Citizens’ Assembly in charge of finding solutions just makes sense.

It’s a bold, innovative, and hopeful step on the path to delivering the kind of democratic renewal that Canada needs.

A conversation with your MP, outside the toxic environment of Parliament Hill and social media, can break down partisan barriers and really can change minds.

Thanks to your work, more MPs are stepping forward to support a National Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform every week!

This weekend, the NDP passed a resolution supporting a National Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform. The Liberal Party adopted it as their official party policy in May. And at visits with Conservative MPs, some have told constituents they will be advocating for Motion-86 within their party.

If you have a Liberal, Conservative or Bloc MP, and are willing to lead a face to face visit, we need you! Please sign up now.

When you sign up, I will let you know if your MP has already had a constituent meeting about Motion M-86 and if not, we’ll support you every step of the way to lead a visit!

As Liberal MP Adam van Koeverden said recently in the House of Commons after meeting with constituents in his riding about Motion M-86:

“I had a great conversation recently with Fair Vote Canada. I am supportive of the notion of Canadians coming together to talk about how our electoral process and system of governing could be enhanced."

[liv2ski]

North America has lost it's mind

[Gcooker]

Previously in this thread I've ranted on about changing the electoral system in Canada from the first past the post system. In this system a party that only gets 39% of the vote can form a majority. That's fucked


I mentioned that I've joined a movement to get our system changed to one that ensures a more equitable outcome to elections where you're vote actually carries weight. Here's an update to the organization's progress to change our electoral system:


"Dear Gary,

A couple of weeks ago, I got an email that I want to share with you:

“Dear Anita,

Currently I am vacationing in the Netherlands. While watching the daily Dutch news presentation on television my jaw dropped.

Party members walked across the aisles to other parties in an effort to make agreements on strategies for combating high prices that affect the cost of living…”

The result of these conversations? The Dutch MPs passed motions to raise the minimum wage and social benefits, increase childcare support and delay raising gas taxes.

MPs of different partisan stripes working together to solve problems happens every day in many countries with proportional representation.

What is a jaw-dropping and disorienting experience for a Canadian observer wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow in many countries.

Denmark is another example of how working across party lines can get things done.

Denmark already has a broad coalition government. It consists of parties spanning the political spectrum from left to right. Despite already having a majority to pass whatever budget they wanted, the government invited opposition parties to the table to help decide how money is spent.

In the end, almost every party, representing over 90% of voters, approved the last budget.

Instead of our leaders repeating that every major problem in Canada is another party’s fault, imagine if they worked together on the toughest challenges of our times.

We’re just not going to get there with first-past-the-post.

Canadians’ deepest fear about the future
If you watch the news, you’d be forgiven for thinking that the biggest fear that most Canadians have about the future is the housing crisis. Or the healthcare crisis. Or, especially, the affordability crisis.

There’s no doubt that the painfully high cost of living is top of mind.

But when EKOS asked Canadians what their deepest fear for Canada’s future was, it wasn’t the price of groceries, health care, housing or even climate change. Canadians’ greatest fear about the future was “growing political and ideological polarization.”

Polarization.

Toxic, divisive politics that pits us against them, neighbour against neighbour.

It’s a mean-spirited view of others that’s driven by blind partisanship. It divides us into what journalist Justin Ling calls “agitated clusters of comforting rage”.

When partisan leaders act as if those in other parties are dangerous, morally bankrupt or stupid, that kind of politics eventually impacts how we see each other as human beings.

While Canadians are worried about many important issues, at a deeper level we’re concerned about the ability of a more polarized political system to solve them.

Worrying signs that Canadians’ fears are justified
A new report this year, Far and widening: The rise of polarization in Canada, concluded that polarization is growing in Canada.

The researchers engaged 1600 young adults aged 18–35 in discussion roundtables across the country and an in-depth survey. They found that 44% of young adults believe the political stability of Canada is threatened by the political division of its people.

Instead of incentivizing political leadership to turn down the temperature, our winner-take-all system has trapped us in a vicious feedback loop. As the report notes:

“Parties see a benefit in stepping up the demonization of each other…. They know this polarization exists and they see a benefit in exploiting it.”

It “resembles the growing mutual hostility Democrats and Republicans hold towards one another in the United States.”

MPs quoted in the report explained: “Parties are whipping up anger and distrust amongst their core supporters for money. Those supporters are becoming increasingly fervent in their beliefs, distrustful of rival parties and demanding of ideological purity…. The party must in turn become more confrontational and dogmatic.”

Imploring political leaders to do better―when the system rewards them for demonizing partisan opponents―just isn’t working.

Citizen leadership to deliver proven solutions
In the coming months, Parliament will be voting on Motion M-86 for a National Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform.

This is an historic moment. In Canada’s history, federal Parliamentarians have never before had an opportunity to vote on a proposal like this.

Winning this vote matters more than ever.

While there is no way to flip a switch and fix what’s wrong with politics (including polarization), the research is clear:

Winner-take-all systems like first-past-the-post create a political culture that is more polarized.

On the other hand, proportional representation reduces partisan hostility among voters. It can even reduce the amount of anger between MPs in Parliament.

Fair representation and collaborative governance pay off for citizens on the issues that matter.

Countries with proportional representation not only rank at the top of every democracy index, they have the best outcomes on health, human development, economic growth, and environmental protection.

Does your MP support a National Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform?
When politics is getting in the way of progress, putting a non-partisan, independent Citizens’ Assembly in charge of finding solutions just makes sense.

It’s a bold, innovative, and hopeful step on the path to delivering the kind of democratic renewal that Canada needs.

A conversation with your MP, outside the toxic environment of Parliament Hill and social media, can break down partisan barriers and really can change minds.

Thanks to your work, more MPs are stepping forward to support a National Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform every week!

This weekend, the NDP passed a resolution supporting a National Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform. The Liberal Party adopted it as their official party policy in May. And at visits with Conservative MPs, some have told constituents they will be advocating for Motion-86 within their party.

If you have a Liberal, Conservative or Bloc MP, and are willing to lead a face to face visit, we need you! Please sign up now.

When you sign up, I will let you know if your MP has already had a constituent meeting about Motion M-86 and if not, we’ll support you every step of the way to lead a visit!

As Liberal MP Adam van Koeverden said recently in the House of Commons after meeting with constituents in his riding about Motion M-86:

“I had a great conversation recently with Fair Vote Canada. I am supportive of the notion of Canadians coming together to talk about how our electoral process and system of governing could be enhanced."

FKNA Gary, thanks for stepping up, it was so frustrating when the Liberals ran on proportional representation but immediately back tracked when they came into power… I voted for them to help push that agenda…. It’s been an absolute shit show ever since.

[petey_]

Previously in this thread I've ranted on about changing the electoral system in Canada from the first past the post system. In this system a party that only gets 39% of the vote can form a majority. That's fucked


I mentioned that I've joined a movement to get our system changed to one that ensures a more equitable outcome to elections where you're vote actually carries weight. Here's an update to the organization's progress to change our electoral system:


"Dear Gary,

A couple of weeks ago, I got an email that I want to share with you:

“Dear Anita,

Currently I am vacationing in the Netherlands. While watching the daily Dutch news presentation on television my jaw dropped.

Party members walked across the aisles to other parties in an effort to make agreements on strategies for combating high prices that affect the cost of living…”

The result of these conversations? The Dutch MPs passed motions to raise the minimum wage and social benefits, increase childcare support and delay raising gas taxes.

MPs of different partisan stripes working together to solve problems happens every day in many countries with proportional representation.

What is a jaw-dropping and disorienting experience for a Canadian observer wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow in many countries.

Denmark is another example of how working across party lines can get things done.

Denmark already has a broad coalition government. It consists of parties spanning the political spectrum from left to right. Despite already having a majority to pass whatever budget they wanted, the government invited opposition parties to the table to help decide how money is spent.

In the end, almost every party, representing over 90% of voters, approved the last budget.

Instead of our leaders repeating that every major problem in Canada is another party’s fault, imagine if they worked together on the toughest challenges of our times.

We’re just not going to get there with first-past-the-post.

Canadians’ deepest fear about the future
If you watch the news, you’d be forgiven for thinking that the biggest fear that most Canadians have about the future is the housing crisis. Or the healthcare crisis. Or, especially, the affordability crisis.

There’s no doubt that the painfully high cost of living is top of mind.

But when EKOS asked Canadians what their deepest fear for Canada’s future was, it wasn’t the price of groceries, health care, housing or even climate change. Canadians’ greatest fear about the future was “growing political and ideological polarization.”

Polarization.

Toxic, divisive politics that pits us against them, neighbour against neighbour.

It’s a mean-spirited view of others that’s driven by blind partisanship. It divides us into what journalist Justin Ling calls “agitated clusters of comforting rage”.

When partisan leaders act as if those in other parties are dangerous, morally bankrupt or stupid, that kind of politics eventually impacts how we see each other as human beings.

While Canadians are worried about many important issues, at a deeper level we’re concerned about the ability of a more polarized political system to solve them.

Worrying signs that Canadians’ fears are justified
A new report this year, Far and widening: The rise of polarization in Canada, concluded that polarization is growing in Canada.

The researchers engaged 1600 young adults aged 18–35 in discussion roundtables across the country and an in-depth survey. They found that 44% of young adults believe the political stability of Canada is threatened by the political division of its people.

Instead of incentivizing political leadership to turn down the temperature, our winner-take-all system has trapped us in a vicious feedback loop. As the report notes:

“Parties see a benefit in stepping up the demonization of each other…. They know this polarization exists and they see a benefit in exploiting it.”

It “resembles the growing mutual hostility Democrats and Republicans hold towards one another in the United States.”

MPs quoted in the report explained: “Parties are whipping up anger and distrust amongst their core supporters for money. Those supporters are becoming increasingly fervent in their beliefs, distrustful of rival parties and demanding of ideological purity…. The party must in turn become more confrontational and dogmatic.”

Imploring political leaders to do better―when the system rewards them for demonizing partisan opponents―just isn’t working.

Citizen leadership to deliver proven solutions
In the coming months, Parliament will be voting on Motion M-86 for a National Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform.

This is an historic moment. In Canada’s history, federal Parliamentarians have never before had an opportunity to vote on a proposal like this.

Winning this vote matters more than ever.

While there is no way to flip a switch and fix what’s wrong with politics (including polarization), the research is clear:

Winner-take-all systems like first-past-the-post create a political culture that is more polarized.

On the other hand, proportional representation reduces partisan hostility among voters. It can even reduce the amount of anger between MPs in Parliament.

Fair representation and collaborative governance pay off for citizens on the issues that matter.

Countries with proportional representation not only rank at the top of every democracy index, they have the best outcomes on health, human development, economic growth, and environmental protection.

Does your MP support a National Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform?
When politics is getting in the way of progress, putting a non-partisan, independent Citizens’ Assembly in charge of finding solutions just makes sense.

It’s a bold, innovative, and hopeful step on the path to delivering the kind of democratic renewal that Canada needs.

A conversation with your MP, outside the toxic environment of Parliament Hill and social media, can break down partisan barriers and really can change minds.

Thanks to your work, more MPs are stepping forward to support a National Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform every week!

This weekend, the NDP passed a resolution supporting a National Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform. The Liberal Party adopted it as their official party policy in May. And at visits with Conservative MPs, some have told constituents they will be advocating for Motion-86 within their party.

If you have a Liberal, Conservative or Bloc MP, and are willing to lead a face to face visit, we need you! Please sign up now.

When you sign up, I will let you know if your MP has already had a constituent meeting about Motion M-86 and if not, we’ll support you every step of the way to lead a visit!

As Liberal MP Adam van Koeverden said recently in the House of Commons after meeting with constituents in his riding about Motion M-86:

“I had a great conversation recently with Fair Vote Canada. I am supportive of the notion of Canadians coming together to talk about how our electoral process and system of governing could be enhanced."

Sounds like some kinda commie socialist fascist nonsense to me.

[BCMtnHound]

Sorry, at the fed level there are only two words worth saying: Quebec and Constitution.

It would be interesting to see a change at the provincial level, maybe force it in Quebec for a start

Kinda goes back to the India thing. We accept protest of a seditious nature even at the political party level, in this country. Most other nations do not tolerate this. Sort of a point of pride that we can have both that and still have sufficient faith in the legal & political process here.
Or we are just that well off that it doesn’t raise big enough crowds to change things. Thanks neighbours to the south!

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://x.com/canadianpolling/status...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

[XXX-er]

up narth here we all piss off the deck eh

[riser4]

up narth here we all piss off the deck eh

And piss off the neighbors.

[XXX-er]

snow flake eh

[paulster2626]

I spend a lot of time in the backyard in all seasons. I prefer to piss at the side of the house behind the air conditioner. This fall a large spider has made a web between the AC and the fence, and I've walked in to it like 10x - the worst. Once almost while the spider was actually stretched out in the middle, which was terrifying. Anyway, this spider is so big that I feel it deserves respect, so I stopped wrecking it's web cause I felt bad it had to remake it every day just for my pissing habits. So now I piss in a totally different section - a spider has completely altered the way I urinate. Anyway I just wanted to get that off my chest.

When indoors I sit down every time. Take a load off, you deserve it!

[petey_]

When indoors I sit down every time. Take a load off, you deserve it!

Good for you, I'm too old to stand up again. Shoes smell like piss though.

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://x.com/romulusnotnuma/status/...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

[BCMtnHound]

Well, when your audience can get a $70k a year job with grade 10 and a driver’s license…

[riser4]

Well, when your audience can get a $70k a year job with grade 10 and a driver’s license…

Ricky got his license???

[grinch]

Western pansies! NB is 35,239

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[BCMtnHound]

Western pansies! NB is 35,239

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Now if only there was more than a half dozen of you making >$100k in NB. Legalizing weed really hurt the GDP I hear.

[grinch]

Now if only there was more than a half dozen of you making >$100k in NB. Legalizing weed really hurt the GDP I hear.

Haaa too true

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[paulster2626]

I live in Ontario and have been hearing a LOT of ads from the Alberta government for some reason. Something about some federal energy program. It's really weird - never heard of anything like this before. "Tell the feds you want affordable electricity in Alberta" like no IDGAF thankyouverymuch.

[ironhippy]

Now if only there was more than a half dozen of you making >$100k in NB. Legalizing weed really hurt the GDP I hear.

The funny thing is there is a lot of money out here. It's all holed away in giant houses and land development, but we have our share of millionaires.

Just like everywhere else though, it doesn't trickle down for shit.

I miss the days where 150 grand could you have a decent house with a backyard inside city limits.

[riser4]

The funny thing is there is a lot of money out here. It's all holed away in giant houses and land development, but we have our share of millionaires.

Just like everywhere else though, it doesn't trickle down for shit.

I miss the days where 150 grand could you have a decent house with a backyard inside city limits.

Well, aren't there a few (2) obscenely wealthy families that basically own the province and have made it a multi-generational project to make sure none of that money ever trickles down?

[ironhippy]

Well, aren't there a few (2) obscenely wealthy families that basically own the province and have made it a multi-generational project to make sure none of that money ever trickles down?

that's the old money, there's lots of new money too. But yeah, they are all working to keep it in the family.

Hell, one guy founded 2 companies (Q1 labs in 2000 and Radion6 in 2005) and they sold for a combined billion dollars in 2011

[garyfromterrace]

Buffy was bullshitting!
Fuck.
http://https://www.cbc.ca/newsintera...y-sainte-marie

When I first heard about it, I was sorta pissed at the CBC. But, damn there's just too much proof. To bad, I quite liked her.

[kootenayskier]

Hour long impromptu fireworks show.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...sion-1.7010598


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