50 years to the day

[summit]

The parents of whatever faction go out and try to make a living, probably working with members of whatever opposing side/religion/ethnic group with no issues. Yet grandma is at home looking after little Johnny filling their heads with stories of the evil Jews/Arabs/Serb/Croat/Armenian transgressions of the past.

It's why multigenerational ethnoreligious conflicts need a solid 30-40 years of relative peace to break the cycle in the best case... but in the case of the Palestinians, they don't need Grandpa. They are teaching them in school to hate, kill, and strive for martyrdom.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/teaching-pa...alue-terrorism
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middl...-report-claims

And it isn't just Hamas. It is the PA. And the West is paying for it with aid money.

[waxman]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67180844
Surely nobody will hold a grudge, and peace will break out.

Way back when I was still in school one of my history classes had a component on regional conflicts in the Middle East and the Balkans. One of the theories I still remember is that a primary cause of continuing conflict is childcare being provided by grandparents (primarily grandmothers). The parents of whatever faction go out and try to make a living, probably working with members of whatever opposing side/religion/ethnic group with no issues. Yet grandma is at home looking after little Johnny filling their heads with stories of the evil Jews/Arabs/Serb/Croat/Armenian transgressions of the past.

[gravitylover]

It's why multigenerational ethnoreligious conflicts need a solid 30-40 years of relative peace to break the cycle in the best case... but in the case of the Palestinians, they don't need Grandpa. They are teaching them in school to hate, kill, and strive for martyrdom.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/teaching-pa...alue-terrorism
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middl...-report-claims

And it isn't just Hamas. It is the PA. And the West is paying for it with aid money.

That's fucked. I've come to the conclusion that I don't care what happens to any of them anymore. If all they want is for me, my family and most of the people I grew up with dead it won't bother me when their voices are silenced.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

That's fucked. I've come to the conclusion that I don't care what happens to any of them anymore. If all they want is for me, my family and most of the people I grew up with dead it won't bother me when their voices are silenced.

One genocide justifies another, right?


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[JimmyCarter]

Looks like we’re getting back to the “Palestinians aren’t really humans anyway” segment of the discussion

[MagnificentUnicorn]

It’s the only way to insure a lasting peace


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[TBS]

1400 Israelis killed and 200 captured on Oct 7 - worst massacre of Jews since WW2.

Since then 4400 Palestinians have been killed.

[Core Shot]

One genocide justifies another, right?


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Looks like we’re getting back to the “Palestinians aren’t really humans anyway” segment of the discussion

It’s the only way to insure a lasting peace


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Fuckkkk

I thought there were humans here.

I guess I’m just a goyim useless eater. Send me a pm and I’ll send you my lat long for a missile strike.

Shalom.

[TBS]

Israel’s about to be fighting on three fronts - Gaza, Lebanon and Syria
https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ctober-20-2023

And Iran trying to suck us in as well.

[MontuckyFried]

1400 Israelis killed and 200 captured on Oct 7 - worst massacre of Jews since WW2.

Since then 4400 Palestinians have been killed.

NOT saying there aren't civilians who have been killed, which is truly sad, BUT don't be duped by the "civilian" casualties presented by the so-called authorities over there. It's been long known that Hamas instructs Gazan officials to report ALL casualties as "civilian" deaths to pad the stats and turn sympathies toward their favor. IDF blows up a Hamas armory? It gets reported by them as "Dozens of civilians killed in IDF bombing!" And the gullible media takes that ball and runs with it. And everyone blindly laps it up.

A piece from 2014 by Time everyone else here needs to read:
How Hamas Wields Gaza's Casualties as Propaganda
https://time.com/3035937/gaza-israel...an-casualties/

[gravitylover]

One genocide justifies another, right?

No, I just don't care anymore. Like I said, they want me dead so why should I care about them? They teach their children to hate me. Why should I care about them? They don't want their own independent state until all the Jews are dead. Why should I care...

[dunfree]

Looks like we’re getting back to the “Palestinians aren’t really humans anyway” segment of the discussion

that’s the government of Gaza’s position

[J. Barron DeJong]

Including MontuckyFried who argued indiscriminately killing civilians is A-Ok as long as they're Muslims after blindly lapping up Hamas necro-counts, and despite the fact he was warned earlier in this thread Hamas reports are not to be trusted.

More to the point both territories and populations are so small that Israeli and Palestinian social media is flooded with people outside the region sharing news of someone they know who was killed.

Don’t even need to still be in the area.


From congressman Justin Amash, who is of Palestinian descent:



https://x.com/justinamash/status/171...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

[Cono Este]

Egypt has a population of 110M. Can't help? Or won't. I'd say won't because they are already dealing with political instability caused by terrorists and they don't want any more despite the fact that Gaza was Egypt until 1967.

There are 1,900M+ Muslims in the world. ~50 nations are Muslim majority.

They can't collectively help out some refugees?

Or is it that they do NOT want the Palestinians and literally nobody does?

I really lost hope when Hamas blew up their own hospital (on accident) and then lied about it successfully torpedo Biden's peace talks with Arab leaders who bought it hook line and sinker, then were too proud to walk back. I don't see what the good way out of this is.

It’s not that they don’t want them, or don’t care, they use them as pawns.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

that’s the government of Gaza’s position

Seems to be everyone’s position


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[GimpToo]

Damn gravity, please don't give up!

[gravitylover]

No giving up here but I've run out of patience for people that want me dead, people that teach their children that I should be dead, people that refuse to help themselves, people that tear up public works to turn the materials into weapons to kill Jews, people that refuse to rise up and make their world better and allow their "government" to steal their money and force them to live in squalor for decades. These assholes have now scared my wife's 72 year old cousin silly after a sidewalk attack yesterday when she walked out the door of her house to get some groceries. She had her son or grandsons helping but they've all been called up to active duty now.

I have run out of giving a shit about the complaints and whining of animals and assholes that want me dead.

[Cono Este]

It would go along way if they stopped firing rockets and released the hostages.

But you don’t see any protestor suggesting that, or anyone in the Arab world, because they don’t really want peace, they want Israel.

[MultiVerse]

That's simply not true. There are many statements from Arab and Muslim countries condemning the Hamas attacks and calling for peace.

Using Palestinians as pawns is true for some, certainly in the case of Iran, but most leaders in Muslim countries are no longer gratuitously antisemitic. They're pragmatic. They need to signal alliance with the worst groups in their populations, who are, because they lack democratic legitimacy. Like Israel, a lot of these countries are weary of the Palestinian issue. All the same they can't sit by and allow America and Israel to boss other Arabs around and treat them like pawns because of their country's own recent past when it happened to them.

Without agreeing with it, folks need to see the large angry crowds and at least be aware of the zeitgeist.

[dunfree]

Seems to be everyone’s position


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there are victims of 10/7 that don’t want the attack to be used to justify murder of innocents, that’s a fair bit of strong character and spirit

[Lvovsky]

That's simply not true. There are many statements from Arab and Muslim countries condemning the Hamas attacks and calling for peace.

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Sources and links please preferably to official government statements

[Lvovsky]

No giving up here but I've run out of patience for people that want me dead, people that teach their children that I should be dead, people that refuse to help themselves, people that tear up public works to turn the materials into weapons to kill Jews, people that refuse to rise up and make their world better and allow their "government" to steal their money and force them to live in squalor for decades. These assholes have now scared my wife's 72 year old cousin silly after a sidewalk attack yesterday when she walked out the door of her house to get some groceries. She had her son or grandsons helping but they've all been called up to active duty now.

I have run out of giving a shit about the complaints and whining of animals and assholes that want me dead.

+1

I’m with gravity on this. Someone wants me dead? Fuck them. Celebrations in the streets of a barbaric slaughter? Fuck them. I have no more sympathy for your cause. Holding 200+ hostages? etc…

[MultiVerse]

Sources and links please preferably to official government statements

I've posted videos of Iranian soccer fans ridiculing the Iranian government's support for Hamas. Officially, Arab countries mostly spoke through quasi-official intermediaries. For example, Saudi Prince Turki al-Faisal who served as the head of Saudi Arabia's General Intelligence Presidency and is now the chairman of the King Faisal Foundation's Center for Research and Islamic Studies:



- He starts by calling for peaceful instead of violent Palestinian resistance to Israel, before going on to condemn Hamas, Israel, and Western politicians.

- I condemn Hamas for sabotaging the attempt of Saudi Arabia to reach a peaceful resolution to the Palestinian plight.

- I categorically condemn Hamas's targeting of civilians of any age and gender. Such targeting belies Hamas's claims of Islamic identity. There is an Islamic injunction against the killing of innocent children, women, elders, and places of worship.

- I also condemn Hamas for giving the higher moral ground to the Israeli government.

- I condemn Hamas for ethnically cleansing Gaza and its citizens and bombing them into oblivion.

- I condemn Hamas for undermining the Palestinian Authority, as Israel has been doing.

- He then goes on to condemn Israel and Western politicians multiples times "for shedding tears when Israelis are killed by Palestinians but refusing to express sorrow when Israelis kill Palestinians" while notably calling out Qatar too, "Israel for funneling Qatari money for Hamas."


- The UAE and Bahrain officially & explicitly condemned the killing and kidnapping of Israeli civilians by Hamas.

[Lvovsky]

Multiverse - thanks for that. I’ll look more carefully info the video even though the dude is not exactly a head of state.

[MultiVerse]

While universal condemnation of Hamas would be welcome, this map shows Syria, Iraq, Qatar & Iran are the main dead enders in the Middle East. Other countries may not support Israel, but it's less ideological and more out of self interest. Russia & China, for example, see this conflict as an opportunity to further their own interests (while cynically calling for peace) but they don't categorically deny Israel the right to exist.