50 years to the day

[boltonoutlaw]

Tunnels is the new turtles

There is no map for all of the locations. Let's not forget that military service is compulsory in Israel. Not everyone is a Zionist. Some of the kids you'd send in as tunnel rats do not want to be there at all. This imagined "solution" is a suicide mission

[ex-powderbroker]

Tunnels is the new turtles

There is no map for all of the locations. Let's not forget that military service is compulsory in Israel. Not everyone is a Zionist. Some of the kids you'd send in as tunnel rats do not want to be there at all. This imagined "solution" is a suicide mission

what does it mean that they’re not all zionist to you? do you think everyone that serves in the idf is some sort of “jewish supremacist” or do you think that some of them in uniform don’t believe the state of israel should exist?

it’s like words have no meaning anymore.

[riser4]

Flood the tunnels with molten material.

[Cono Este]

i am really struggling with this massacre.

i wanted two states my whole life. i’ve been arguing it in here.

but how do you know that it’s just a minority and the rest want to live in peace?

it seems impossible to know.

there’s certainly a number of people that would never accept a jewish state. they’d live under an army (egypt), fake king (jordan), despot (assad), iranian cleric (leb), occupying foreign power (turks, british) but a side by side with a jewish state?

eta: between the missiles last night and iran on tv saying hezbollah and the houthis ready to go i’m getting concerned.

We should all be concerned. Not to mention our other commitments. If another shows drops, we’re in serious trouble.

I will say. At least Isarael can kick Syria’s, jordan’s, and Egypt’s ass, by themselves.

But when you think of the Saudis, Jordanians, etc we e been fucking arming them. still, same jets, Israelis pilots would smoke them all.

But I think we’re seeing the insanity of our policies, 911 wasn’t enough, GWOT, wasn’t, this may be the fat lady singing for bullshit.

[JimmyCarter]

Flood the tunnels with molten material.

Or….

[J. Barron DeJong]

Haven’t listened, but maybe one of you wants to:



https://x.com/spencerguard/status/17...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

[m2711c]

Flood the tunnels with molten material.

quicker and easier...

[boltonoutlaw]

what does it mean that they’re not all zionist to you? do you think everyone that serves in the idf is some sort of “jewish supremacist” or do you think that some of them in uniform don’t believe the state of israel should exist?

it’s like words have no meaning anymore.

Wow, calm down chief.
It means that some people serving in IDF may not believe in the mission. It means that not all serving in IDF want to claim all of Palestine. You need to relax more and project less.

[boltonoutlaw]

Haven’t listened, but maybe one of you wants to:



https://x.com/spencerguard/status/17...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

I would listen to this but I do not Twitter. Is there a link directly to the podcast?

[gravitylover]

quicker and easier...

Hahaha that would be cool.

[pepperdawg]

I support the Great Stuff solution.

[MultiVerse]

I would listen to this but I do not Twitter. Is there a link directly to the podcast?

Direct Link: https://mwi.westpoint.edu/what-can-t...hamas-tunnels/

It's important to note the problem is not just tunnels. Israel will also have to clear every house and building before going on to the next. Gaza City had a pre-war population of 800K. Fallujah was only 200K. A better size comparison is Mariupol in Ukraine.

It took the Russian army three months to seize Mariupol with a smaller defending force and no pre prepared defenses. Russia was only able to take the city by bombing 95% of the buildings and waging a brutal murderous campaign against civilians. There are 26K identified civilian deaths while satellite images of mass graves and other sources credibly suggest the actual number is 100K, one fifth the pre-war population.

It's also important to recognize a ground campaign is not about saving hostages. American Delta Force repeatedly tried to rescue hostages in Iraq. It rarely worked. Terrorists now kill hostages at the first sign of an assault. Israel can try to decapitate Hamas or can they try to negotiate the release of hostages, but the two are mostly exclusive of each other.

[dan_pdx]

quicker and easier...

No way man, you know how much that shit expands? It would bring down every structure built above the tunnels. Gotta use the door and window version, ask me how I know.

[ex-powderbroker]

Wow, calm down chief.
It means that some people serving in IDF may not believe in the mission. It means that not all serving in IDF want to claim all of Palestine. You need to relax more and project less.

I’m calm but you and your language are misinformed. clearly they don’t want to “claim” all of palestine, they have Gaza back in 2005.

if you mean the mission to “exterminate hamas”, then yea, probably more than a few believe that to be impossible.

throwing around the word “zionist” has no meaning now except as a pejorative because the historical project to achieve self determination succeeded many decades ago.

[Cono Este]

It’s like Mt Surabchi, with a city above it. I’d say try it all, but I have hard time saying that with hostages. Sickening.

Someone should have cared about all that tunneling a long time ago. That’s what all these bullshit whiners helped create and they want it to continue.

[boltonoutlaw]

I’m calm but you and your language are misinformed. clearly they don’t want to “claim” all of palestine, they have Gaza back in 2005.

Illegal settlements in West Bank? Yitzhar?

I will admit that I mistakenly used the word "all" with regards to IDF soldiers in my post.

My central point is that the level of urban warfare required to neutralize all of these tunnels is, as someone said above, a bloodbath scenario imaginably worse than Mogadishu.

[MultiVerse]

For anyone doubting the relationship between Iran & Hamas: The Islamic Republic's state-run TV discussing the vast presence of armed trained forces by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in Gaza. They tried to correct themselves, but it was too late, and too obvious, too fluid as if denying something for a wider audience that is well known internally. The IRGC's involvement in this brutal war is undeniable:

https://twitter.com/Vahid_Beheshti/s...31856586891531

Guy says "I hope this mistake will not cause my friends to abuse me," ...

[east or bust]

One interesting idea I read about regarding how to deal with the tunnels was to use some sort of forced air system with an inert colored gas. Similar to how underground streams can be traced with colored dye. Find the entrance to a tunnel, stick some huge fans at the entrance, see where it comes out.

That's obviously over simplified but to me would probably be one of the better courses of action if it were possible.

eta: I'm not aware of any gases that would qualify, but perhaps using extremely humid air that could somehow be detected in an otherwise arid environment. Would definitely be a bit of a science experiment with hygrometers.

[Toadman]

Flood the tunnels with molten material.

FFS, just get a large quantity of hashish, set it on fire inside the tunnel entrances, place giant high powered fans next to the burning hash, and let that stuff fill the tunnels. You'll have a bunch of stoned Hamas terrorists in no time. Then go in and drag them out. No angry terrorists chanting, "allahu Akbar". When they finally come off their high in an IDF jail cell, they will still think it was all just a bad dream.

ETA: east or bust beat me to it. Sort of. My idea is still better!

[AK47bp]

One interesting idea I read about regarding how to deal with the tunnels was to use some sort of forced air system with an inert colored gas. Similar to how underground streams can be traced with colored dye. Find the entrance to a tunnel, stick some huge fans at the entrance, see where it comes out.

That's obviously over simplified but to me would probably be one of the better courses of action if it were possible.

eta: I'm not aware of any gases that would qualify, but perhaps using extremely humid air that could somehow be detected in an otherwise arid environment. Would definitely be a bit of a science experiment with hygrometers.

Blast farts down there maybe, see what parts of Gaza start stinking.

[bennymac]

you guys always think the solution is just more box fans

[riser4]

you guys always think the solution is just more box fans

Ya? So?

[dan_pdx]

Blast farts down there maybe, see what parts of Gaza start stinking.

Smoke from cooking bacon, duh. Get the avalanche bacon search dogs to come out and help find the tunnel entrances. Will also drive Hamas (and unfortunately, many of the hostages) around the bend.

[dunfree]

Somehow think bacon is a rare area of mutual public distaste.

[m2711c]

Not just more box fans, but better box fans. bigger box fans. stronger box fans….




military grade yo!





if tgrz had this tech, our servers would rule!




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