50 years to the day

[Core Shot]

Holy fuck did they bomb Gaza.
Whole city blocks demolished.

These hamas asshats are like Yellowstone tourists.
Don’t fuck with something way stronger than you.

Sadly. There’s a whole new generation of anger coming on. Not to mention other countries that will raise new angry generations. Fubar.

[byates1]

the god damn plane has crashed into the mountain.

[Cono Este]

Some happy news. 25 yr old chic organizes defense and ambushes 25 terrorists attacking her Kibbutz.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/10/israel...am-at-kibbutz/

[LongShortLong]

Perhaps you didn't notice, but negotiations are not exactly possible with this particular group of asshats. They have quite clearly, loudly, and now demonstrated in full their intentions. I suggest you read this good piece from the Atlantic for further insight. Please. I implore you.

When Hamas Tells You Who They Are, Believe Them - A close read of Hamas’s founding documents shows their genocidal intentions
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...nocide/675602/

That's not really useful is it? There's always some author ready to explain why the opposition can't be negotiated with, and must be destroyed along with anyone nearby. Surely there's a similar article about the hardliners controlling Israel's government. Supported by most Israelis. Likely some of them claim Israel's divine right to all the land (or some other exclusive non-negotiable bullshit). Can't be negotiated with.

Founding documents can be amended or discarded. Organizations change or yield to other organizations. Heck, they can keep their non-negotiable bullshit and choose other priorities.

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://x.com/danielseidemann/status...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

[TBS]

The question was what alternatives are there to negotiations (with Hamas) or genocide. Hamas doesn’t have any interest in making peace with Israel. Hamas is dedicated to Islamic fundamentalism, and to Israel’s destruction. If Palestinians in Gaza want peace they have to do something about Hamas. The Israeli ground campaign in Gaza could weaken Hamas’s control of the population. Israel might also be able to lessen Hamas’s influence if other Palestinians rise up to administer the Gaza Strip.

I think a full scale ground invasion is a bad idea but since it looks Israel is going to go ahead anyway they need a strategy for dealing with Hamas if they don't want to govern Gaza under occupation themselves. (They shouldn't, and they don't want to)

Hate to break it to you but Gaza is already under Israeli occupation - at least according to the UN & US State Dept.

And did you know that close to 60% of Gazans support Hamas? With support highest among the young.

So if we are talking about options that ain’t gonna happen, you missed an obvious one - Iran and Israel make peace, and Hamas loses its funding.

[MultiVerse]

Are you new to this thread? Everything you mentioned was already discussed.Your statistics were cited several times in this thread. The UN & US State Dept also say Hamas has de facto control of Gaza. Israel disengaged from Gaza in 2005 by withdrawing Israeli settlers and troops.

And days before the Hamas massacre it looked like a pro-change government was forming in Israel to oust Netanyah. Netanyahu’s strategy is well-known, even if it’s never explicitly stated – to keep Hamas as a key player in the dispute with Israel in order to undercut the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah. Why? Because with Hamas there’s no talk about a negotiated solution to the conflict.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...f-f5ff54310000

[gravitylover]

This was just a giant, savage pogrom. There shouldn’t be any confusion about that. And this thread should go to polyass

I'd prefer it stays here if possible.

[Harry]

Some happy news. 25 yr old chic organizes defense and ambushes 25 terrorists attacking her Kibbutz.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/10/israel...am-at-kibbutz/

[Brownski]

I'd prefer it stays here if possible.

I withdraw my request then.

[MontuckyFried]

That's not really useful is it? There's always some author ready to explain why the opposition can't be negotiated with, and must be destroyed along with anyone nearby. Surely there's a similar article about the hardliners controlling Israel's government. Supported by most Israelis. Likely some of them claim Israel's divine right to all the land (or some other exclusive non-negotiable bullshit). Can't be negotiated with.

Founding documents can be amended or discarded. Organizations change or yield to other organizations. Heck, they can keep their non-negotiable bullshit and choose other priorities.

Oh, bless your little bleeding heart. You REALLY don't understand the enemy here, do you? There is no negotiating with Hamas any more. They've tried that... multiple times. Hamas and many a Jihadi have quite literally said repeatedly they won't be happy until not just the utter destruction of Israel occurs, BUT the complete eradication of every Jew worldwide.

These assholes are quite openly genocidal. They're not hiding it. They're downright screaming it at the top of their lungs. Their attitudes exceed even the ideals laid out in Mein Kampf.

[MontuckyFried]

https://x.com/danielseidemann/status...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. When you're in a combat zone during an escalating situation, how about NOT shooting fireworks at police of the opposing force, eh? After seeing the video of brainwashed Gazan children mercilessly bullying the kidnapped little Israeli boy, my sympathies for such things has sadly waned. These kids are full of hatred. Make no mistake. And don't make any excuses either. We are dealing with EVIL here. Straight up.

Again, watch this in case you missed it. WTF is wrong with people?! To turn KIDS into these little monsters? WTF?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVLLhL09-EM

[frorider]

The Ukraine thread has been a useful news and analysis feed, and it contained some thoughts from the collective about how to avoid having the thread go off the rails.

I have many Israeli friends, mostly Jewish, one of whom I’ve known for two decades…his son in law was killed by a random rocket years ago during a time of relative peace. And through this circle of friends I have connections to Palestinian Arabs. Over beers in Tel Aviv or a small town less than 10 miles from Gaza I’ve heard so much of the history, and the complications and frustrations and missed opportunities, it just gets overwhelming.

This forum has never had an anti-Semitic vibe to it IME. I guess what I’m saying gently to some here is maybe invest less energy into ‘proving’ that another mag is deeply anti Semitic when in fact the thoughts they are posting are similar to those of many US friends with deep and long attachments to Israel, their years spent in Kibbutz etc.

As multi verse so concisely stated, there’s long been a concern among my my Israeli friends that Bibi’s disingenuous strategy of keeping Hamas as the voice of Palestine would backfire eventually. At the same time, over the years I’ve seen very progressive jews in Israel get burnt out trying to participate in the numerous peace collaboration social movements that seemed to flower for a while but in recent years withered. It’s been 3+ yrs since I’ve been there, I’m hardly positioning myself as an expert. It’s heartbreaking to watch this.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. When you're in a combat zone during an escalating situation, how about NOT shooting fireworks at police of the opposing force, eh? After seeing the video of brainwashed Gazan children mercilessly bullying the kidnapped little Israeli boy, my sympathies for such things has sadly waned. These kids are full of hatred. Make no mistake. And don't make any excuses either. We are dealing with EVIL here. Straight up.

Again, watch this in case you missed it. WTF is wrong with people?! To turn KIDS into these little monsters? WTF?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVLLhL09-EM

No doubt a stupid time to be doing that.

It’s newsworthy when a Jerusalem reporter says the place may be about to explode.

[MontuckyFried]

What I'd like to know is what are people in AMERICA doing celebrating the recent massacre? WTF?



"From the River to the Sea" they chant and have signs saying. This is disturbing to see. The support for the attack on civilians was celebrated in multiple places around the world. NOT cool!



Don't get me wrong. People are absolutely free to be pro-Palestine and have a right to free speech, BUT these are rallies specifically in support of the Hamas massacre of civilians. THIS is the goal. Have your little rallies any other time of the year, but to do them in sync in response to the raping of women, murdering of children and the elderly, etc? They are not exactly hiding the ball here. They better be adding ALL these assholes to the terrorist watchlist. Prolly why so many of them hiding behind their little jihadi head scarves. Goddam disgusting anti-Semitic cowards.

[rideit]

Surprised the White Nationalists aren’t adapting pro Palestine positions openly yet (which is hilarious, because they hate brown people, and certainly Islam. )

Gonna be some cognitive dissonance on display in 3…2…1…

[Core Shot]

There’s plenty of cognitive dissonance to go around.

It’s on both sides. Sadly. And not whataboutism
It’s more than that. Power hungry sociopathic politicians make me lose faith in humanity.

Average people just want the best life they can have for their family. No matter the location and circumstance.

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://x.com/aoc/status/17119282272...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

[MultiVerse]

Up until an hour or so ago Hezbollah rockets & shelling were mostly symbolic, mostly striking empty fields. Now it appears Hezbollah is entering the war. Aerial alerts in northern Israel are crazy. Numerous reports of drones and paragliders crossing the border.

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://x.com/glcarlstrom/status/171...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

[basinbeater]

I'd prefer it stays here if possible.

I second that motion. We do ourselves a disservice by moving anything political out of mainstream discussion areas.

[gravitylover]

Up until an hour or so ago Hezbollah rockets & shelling were mostly symbolic, mostly striking empty fields. Now it appears Hezbollah is entering the war. Aerial alerts in northern Israel are crazy. Numerous drones and paragliders crossing the border are being reported.

Where are you seeing that?

[J. Barron DeJong]

I second that motion. We do ourselves a disservice by moving anything political out of mainstream discussion areas.

Global events almost always have some political component.

I’d like it to stay here, but mods should feel free to warn if they feel the Polyass line is being crossed.

[MultiVerse]

Where are you seeing that?

Israeli air raid alerts. The IDF requests that the residents of the north stay in protected areas for fear of rocket fire into the area. The IDF estimates that the aircraft were not supposed to enter deep into Israeli territory, and attempts are now being made to locate them.

https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1712134772158304532

(The Twitter translate feature does a good job translating foreign text)

[east or bust]

https://x.com/glcarlstrom/status/171...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

Not gunna lie man, your posts are normally on point but your angle in this thread has been straight up weird.

Sure, we're supposed to believe what the leader of Hamas says in an interview. Sure, he had no clue what was going on. Ok.