Truck Tire Time

[muted reborn]

Running E rated tires is absolutely not required or needed in your case IMO. I don't care how sharp those rocks are - and I've driven countless Montana rocky roads before. But if you get them anyways, I've aired down to 40-45 for comfort on my 8500 pound van. 30-35 for washboards. I take them to 20-25 offroading, but that is obviously sketchy on highway if you slam on the brakes and swerve (so is 30-35) , but I have a battery power inflator when I hit pavement. I don't look at BFG load inflation charts and never will. It is ridiculous when I get my tires swapped and they come back at 60-80psi. Very shit ride at that PSI!

Get P or C and drive slow on gnar rocks, which is what you do with E rated tires too because you can't go fast on gnar rocks.

[bodywhomper]

My understanding is that the toyo link for calculating tire pressure that I posted upthread is standardized, not just for toyo. Based on experience at two small local tire shops, they do not know or care about the standardized methods for calculating cold pressure based on tire size, load rating, and vehicle weight and use. It’s pretty simple to use.

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

Yeah door jamb is funny. It has two stickers since this is the "RoCk WaRrIoR!" model. 46psi cold is what they say. I generally run around 40 for comfort.

I ordered the Es again. I know they work and last so I'm sticking with em.

[Dantheman]

In true TGR fashion I have ignored all contrary advice and proceeded with the decision I was going to make regardless.

FIFY

[SchralphMacchio]

door jamb

I didn’t mean the OE specified pressure, I literally asked for the door jamb GVWR. That’s what I would use to reference the BFG load inflation chart (GVWR divided by 4 is the lowest pressure it would be safe to use on the highway) and the Toyo document that BG posted (guidance for running a reasonable pressure).

[muted reborn]

FIFY

Ha! Fear-based purchases are a funny thing. Especially when it costs a bunch more than what is needed.

WG, other tires work too, not just E's!!

Years ago someone here, from Northern BC, said how he ran P truck tires for thousands of miles off road for work, and never had issues. I took his advice and put them on our SUV and he was right, they are great. Saved a chunk of money too with them, and got better gas mileage.

[SchralphMacchio]

I bet those BFG Trail Terrains would have been just the ticket for WRG!

[MarsB]

I love 'em. Lotsa trips in the Uintas with zero issues, crushed it all winter on the drive up Powder Mt road. Don't miss the KO2s at all.

[bmtroublemaker]

Personal reviews of these make them look like a great tire, the video on Tire Rack makes them look sub-par. Are people liking the BFG Trail Terrains? Thinking about grabbing a set for the Taco but would love to hear others thoughts on how they work in the snow/rain or for light off-road use.

[SchralphMacchio]

Personal reviews of these make them look like a great tire, the video on Tire Rack makes them look sub-par. Are people liking the BFG Trail Terrains? Thinking about grabbing a set for the Taco but would love to hear others thoughts on how they work in the snow/rain or for light off-road use.

MarsB’s post directly above yours!

[PeachesNCream]

Moved from Washington to San Diego and am due for some new tires (seirra 1500). I’ve got BFG ko2s right now which I’ve been happy with but I’m looking for a more road orientated AT tire. My priorities have shifted from snow performance to more of a road warrior tire with an occasional trailer and far less time spent in the snow. I suspect I’ll make 3ish trips for snow and tow 5,000 lbs once or twice a year. Looking for more of a “road AT tire” with better mpgs and less road noise but still can handle occasional rocky road, snow, and tow. From reading the above posts, looks like I’ll be fine going with a c rated tire? Any specific models for a more road AT tire? Also trying to keep the cost down esp since I don’t need great performance


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[MarsB]

The answer is BFG Trail Terrains.

[El Chupacabra]

The answer is Michelin LTX A/T.

Or just get the standard LTX if you don't really need any off-road burliness. Long life, quiet, good in snow.

[skaredshtles]

The answer is Michelin LTX A/T.

Or just get the standard LTX if you don't really need any off-road burliness. Long life, quiet, good in snow.

Confirmed. We went through 2 sets of these on our F-150.

[MarsB]

The answer is Michelin LTX A/T.

Not familiar with those. Looks like ~$100 more a tire than the TT.

[SchralphMacchio]

The answer is Michelin LTX A/T.

Or just get the standard LTX if you don't really need any off-road burliness. Long life, quiet, good in snow.

I use the LTX AT2 for my summer tire on my 250, E rated 18”, and they are smoooooove, with a very supportive sidewall for towing heavy on the highway. My trailer has a tongue weight of about 1000 lbs plus lots of cargo weight, and these are solid. I was surprised when I saw my cousin had a set on her 08 4Runner!

They are shit in wet packed icy snow though, which is why I run Nokian Hakka LT3s in the winter.

The LTX is a different tire than the LTX AT2, and looks a lot better for snow than the LTX AT2. I’d recommend trying that or Falken AT3Ws for Peaches.

[PeachesNCream]

BFG trail terrains look like a more road oriented ko2 which would be perfect

Will take a look at the Michelins too, don’t love that schralph is saying the wet snow performance isn’t great

Schralph, you also mentioned wildpeaks. I was looking at this tire before I moved to SD, but it’s a true AT tire isn’t it? So not great road performance or is the difference between this and a road oriented AT tire going to be minimal?

I’d like to get a list of a few tires and then grab one when a good sale comes along or maybe find some on Facebook marketplace


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[Buzzworthy]

Love my Wildpeaks. But I think they’re beefier than what you’re looking for.

[SchralphMacchio]

BFG trail terrains look like a more road oriented ko2 which would be perfect

Will take a look at the Michelins too, don’t love that schralph is saying the wet snow performance isn’t great

Schralph, you also mentioned wildpeaks. I was looking at this tire before I moved to SD, but it’s a true AT tire isn’t it? So not great road performance or is the difference between this and a road oriented AT tire going to be minimal?

I’d like to get a list of a few tires and then grab one when a good sale comes along or maybe find some on Facebook marketplace


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I have no experience with any of the models discussed …

The BFG Trail Terrains sound like the ticket for mostly road, some snow, some off road, but I think I saw a spec of 42 psi max? Wasn’t sure how well that was going to work out for towing a 5k trailer, depending on tongue weight and your typical rear axle loading. That 42 psi gave me pause for towing a heavy trailer.

The Wildpeak AT3Ws would be more like the KO2s yeah, except maybe longer wearing. Probably not the right choice.

I’m wondering if the Cooper Discoverer ATP has a D rated version that could be the goldilocks between the Trail Terrain and Defender LTX. I think the Discoverer ATP is 3PMSF.

Defender LTX is a different tire from LTX AT2, it’s the AT2 that sucks in snow. The Defender LTX is heavily siped for snow but not 3PMSF rated by my recollection.

[anotherVTskibum]

I have no experience with any of the models discussed …

The BFG Trail Terrains sound like the ticket for mostly road, some snow, some off road, but I think I saw a spec of 42 psi max? Wasn’t sure how well that was going to work out for towing a 5k trailer, depending on tongue weight and your typical rear axle loading. That 42 psi gave me pause for towing a heavy trailer.

The Wildpeak AT3Ws would be more like the KO2s yeah, except maybe longer wearing. Probably not the right choice.

I’m wondering if the Cooper Discoverer ATP has a D rated version that could be the goldilocks between the Trail Terrain and Defender LTX. I think the Discoverer ATP is 3PMSF.

Defender LTX is a different tire from LTX AT2, it’s the AT2 that sucks in snow. The Defender LTX is heavily siped for snow but not 3PMSF rated by my recollection.

Any normal half-ton truck should be fine without needing a tire that goes beyond 42 PSI. If, like most, it's spec'd for P-metric from the factory, you should be okay with another P-metric as long as the load rating is as good or better than factory spec.

Lots of people on the truck forums like their E-rated LT tires, myself included, but the use pattern described sounds like you'd be compromising normal use cases to gain beefiness that you probably don't need, IMO.

[El Chupacabra]

I had Cooper Discoverer ATP on my old GMC, in an E rated tire. That truck had a slide in camper in the bed most of the time, so fairly heavy load on the tires. The tires were pretty good in snow for the first year or three (not many miles - maybe 10K), then as they got older and more worn, they got pretty slippery. Road noise was fine. I recall them having a fairly hard rubber compound. They were not 3PMSF rated. I took them through lots of rocks and rough dirt roads, didn't have any issues.

[SchralphMacchio]

Any normal half-ton truck should be fine without needing a tire that goes beyond 42 PSI. If, like most, it's spec'd for P-metric from the factory, you should be okay with another P-metric as long as the load rating is as good or better than factory spec.

Honestly have no idea, I’ve never towed with a P rated as I literally can’t. I just know that I can feel the towing difference with the sidewall support of my soft aramid sidewall E rated winter tire vs the supportive sidewall of my LTX AT2. The stiffer sidewall pulls way better without question. That experience made me wonder about the 42 psi tire is all.

[auvgeek]

I’m late to the party but don’t forget about the Yokohama Geolandar G015. In LT sizes it has deep tread (18/32) but also circumferential grooves that improve wet performance over Wildpeak, K02, etc. And 3PMSF unliked LTX. Would be more choice for a more road oriented AT.

[snowaddict91]

I’m late to the party but don’t forget about the Yokohama Geolandar G015. In LT sizes it has deep tread (18/32) but also circumferential grooves that improve wet performance over Wildpeak, K02, etc. And 3PMSF unliked LTX. Would be more choice for a more road oriented AT.

We ran these on the wife's Rav4 before moving to dedicated snows and they were great. Glad to hear the bigger LT sizes work good as well.

[vermontana]

Beginning to research a set of dedicated snows for my Taco with stock 16" rims. I loved my Hakkapeliitas R3 (unstudded) when I had my Outback for long high country CO winter, LT3 version of these seem to be a good option and praised in Taco forums

Looks like these come in 265/75/16 or 245/75/16 (current AT tires 265/70/16) I've read that some size down on winter tires for a smaller contact patch, any insight into that aspect or recs for other dedicated winter truck tires? Don't think I'd want to go studded.