Burning Man 2021

[MakersTeleMark]

Plenty of drone work too over the week:

[SumJongGuy]

What's the estimated GDP pf Burning Man after all is said and done?

[Harry]

One million Bitcoin


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[byates1]

Satoshi is burning man. It all makes sense now

[subtle plague]

One million Bitcoin


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So it's like El Salvador?

[heckacali]

https://thenevadaindependent.com/art...mental-impacts

[SumJongGuy]

https://thenevadaindependent.com/art...mental-impacts

Most of us care more about skiing, biking, golf varieties, fishing, etc than we do about the negative externalities we create monetizing and pursuing those activities en mass. Wildlife and the wilderness would get along better if we did none of it..

Only when our activities threaten our activities do we get a conscience and decide to take action to mitigate those impacts some,.

[MontuckyFried]

https://thenevadaindependent.com/art...mental-impacts

Seeing the sheer amounts of trash and tracks left by the hordes ditching the place en masse from a bit of rain, so much for their "principles," huh?
https://burningman.org/event/prepara...ving-no-trace/
"Leaving No Trace is arguably Burning Man’s most important Principle. If we don’t uphold that one, no more Black Rock City. But Leaving No Trace is not just about the playa; it’s our ethic about the whole planet. Burners are environmentalists. It’s just our nature."

LMAO. Suuuuuuure. I do feel bad for the few who DO care and have been stuck behind cleaning up after all the other jerks who ran out of there with no plan of returning to help with the cleanup.

[ColMan]

They are bringing in $50M+ in gross revenue. I'm sure they have plenty of $ to clean up and fix all the damage to ensure a permit for 2024.

[Cruiser]

Is it just tix? Or does the organization have other revenue streams as well? Like "I survived burning man 2023" t-shirts and bumper stickers

[MontuckyFried]

They are bringing in $50M+ in gross revenue. I'm sure they have plenty of $ to clean up and fix all the damage to ensure a permit for 2024.

I'm 100% certain you are spot on, BUT as per usual, people want $$$ to fix their problems, and never personal responsibility. This piece of the BM website quote still cracks me up: "Burners are environmentalists. It’s just our nature." I'm sure the OG burners may be, but this more recent crop of Bay Area tech bros, celebrities, and InstaHoe "burners" absolutely do not GAF about the mess they left behind or anywhere else for that matter.

[ColMan]

Is it just tix? Or does the organization have other revenue streams as well? Like "I survived burning man 2023" t-shirts and bumper stickers

Looks like 95% from tickets (need to use 2019 or 2018 since it was cancelled 2020).

https://projects.propublica.org/nonp...ions/452638273

[heckacali]

From friends that were out there....

There is tons of small to medium sized shit buried in the mud that will take years to surface vs a normal year where (if you actually cared enough) you can just walk your camp, or the playa at large, and pick up the any and all random detritus off the relatively hard surface.

Hell, I know an acquaintance who lost their iPhone to the mud this year.

[ghwbuush]

Yeah, too much damage done. You can't have that many people in a place like that without permanent infrastructure and the playa is too fragile.

I'm sure there is a fair grounds or event center somewhere they can use like every other group/festival.

[climberevan]

It's funny to read the commentary from people who have never been to Burning Man (many have been even been to the Black Rock Desert), but who nevertheless have strong opinions.

Yes, some assholes leave stuff out there, and we disdain them for it. The Org will clean it all up to an unbelievable degree. The nearby roads and the Playa itself will be cleaner in November than they were in May. Obviously Burners should do better, and we're constantly trying to improve, but get 75,000 together in any place and you're going to have some bad ones.

As far as permanent damage goes, it's a lakebed that usually floods in winter. It will flatten out and be just fine.

For reference, this is the shore of Tahoe on 5 July 2023. No one is talking about banning tourism here.

[CarlMega]

I'm 100% certain you are spot on, BUT as per usual, people want $$$ to fix their problems, and never personal responsibility. This piece of the BM website quote still cracks me up: "Burners are environmentalists. It’s just our nature." I'm sure the OG burners may be, but this more recent crop of Bay Area tech bros, celebrities, and InstaHoe "burners" absolutely do not GAF about the mess they left behind or anywhere else for that matter.

But couldn't you just say this about anyone and society at large? eg: 'the people of the united states care about our lands and resources'. But in the end, there's a sub-group that rolls coal, rapes the planet, lives lavishly and pours their used motor oil down the drain.

I'd wager there's still a better % of enviro-conscious ppl in BM than society at large. It certainly was that case when I went 10ish years ago. Not puritans but trying - any congregation of ppl has an impact.

[heckacali]

It's funny to read the commentary from people who have never been to Burning Man (many have been even been to the Black Rock Desert), but who nevertheless have strong opinions.

Yes, some assholes leave stuff out there, and we disdain them for it. The Org will clean it all up to an unbelievable degree. The nearby roads and the Playa itself will be cleaner in November than they were in May. Obviously Burners should do better, and we're constantly trying to improve, but get 75,000 together in any place and you're going to have some bad ones.

As far as permanent damage goes, it's a lakebed that usually floods in winter. It will flatten out and be just fine.

For reference, this is the shore of Tahoe on 5 July 2023. No one is talking about banning tourism here.

Presumptuous presumptions are presumptuous.

Haven't been back to the burn since 2001 or so when I felt it was in the air over the shark with it's growing noteriety and changing demographics, but still regular trips to the playa and surrounding areas from this Truckee resident.

And yes, there is plenty of talk of limiting access to Tahoe due to overuse and abuse. Whether anything will come of it is a different matter.

[SumJongGuy]

Of the 75K people there for a week +, how much of their own actual poo was carried out versus buried? That could get pretty shitty. But to be fair, 40K/yr travel through Everest Base Camp leaving frozen poo behind. I bet most consider themselves good stewards of the planet #2.

My family of 4 fills the nasty water of a 30 foot RV about 2-3 times in a week... and that's using campground facilities and places of business where possible instead of the RV..

[climberevan]

Of the 75K people there for a week +, how much of their own actual poo was carried out versus buried?

Come on---you're not that ignorant. There are thousands of porta-potties (all serviced daily), and everyone uses them. No one buries their shit at BM.

[heckacali]

I think his point is that the porta potties weren't getting serviced daily during the rains.

One of the times I remember going circa 2000, you would walk along the line of porta potties and most of them had a mountain of shit visible higher than the toilet seat as they hadn't figured out the required volume and frequency of cleaning needed.
The tell was that some of the potties had long lines while the rest had none, But you still had to check for yourself...

[SumJongGuy]

Come on---you're not that ignorant. There are thousands of porta-potties (all serviced daily), and everyone uses them. No one buries their shit at BM.

I think his point is that the porta potties weren't getting serviced daily during the rains.

One of the times I remember going circa 2000, you would walk along the line of porta potties and most of them had a mountain of shit visible higher than the toilet seat as they hadn't figured out the required volume and frequency of cleaning needed.
The tell was that some of the potties had long lines while the rest had none, But you still had to check for yourself...

^^^THIS^^^

And for those thousands of RVs are there sufficient dump resources? Because who's getting in a desert hot Porta Potty when you got an a/c cooled RV?



As for the Eagle Scout tent crew.. Nobody's digging cat holes? I highly doubt that..

[CarlMega]

^I certainly never saw that. Even playa peeing was either very discrete or super rare. Could have changed.

Edit: you know most of us tent & small vehicle camp burners evaporate off our grey water (cooking, washing) vs. dumping on the playa right? It's like a religion.

[heckacali]

The sanitary situation was much improved by 2003 or so, with a greater quantity of facilities, with much more regular cleaning/empting.

[evdog]

And yes, there is plenty of talk of limiting access to Tahoe due to overuse and abuse. Whether anything will come of it is a different matter.

I thought Tahoe was going to build a wall and make Reno pay for it?

[MakersTeleMark]

^^^THIS^^^

And for those thousands of RVs are there sufficient dump resources? Because who's getting in a desert hot Porta Potty when you got an a/c cooled RV?


As for the Eagle Scout tent crew.. Nobody's digging cat holes? I highly doubt that..

STFUYFM. Seriously. You are completely clueless.