Electric car thread

[Timberridge]

The gov't will make everyone buy EVs so whether you want one or not you'll be getting one at some point. I'm a bit worried what will happen to the grid though when everyone plugs them in at 7PM on a hot summer night.

[durangobrad]

Power is wicked expensive in SoCal at around $0.46 a KWH. How much to go 100 miles in a model 3? I saw around 35 KW? Are those numbers accurate? So close to $15. My diesel Silverado gets about 25 mpg in city and 30mpg highway. At $5 gallon about the same to go 100 miles here? Maybe my math is jacked up. I lived in Germany and drove an Alfa Romeo 159 diesel, got about 40 mpg in that in a four door sedan about model 3 size.

Do you have a tiered pricing system (off peak vs on peak)? Or is it a flare rate of .46 per KWH?

You can set your charger to only charge at certain times, to capitalize on off peak rates.

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[skaredshtles]

The gov't will make everyone buy EVs so whether you want one or not you'll be getting one at some point. I'm a bit worried what will happen to the grid though when everyone plugs them in at 7PM on a hot summer night.

I'm sure nobody has ever even *thought* of that.

[schuss]

Seriously, the what if pearl clutching in this thread is out of control. I bet a Tesla didn't even kill anyone you know yet

[neufox47]

Seriously, the what if pearl clutching in this thread is out of control. I bet a Tesla didn't even kill anyone you know yet

TGR is getting old. Old people fear change more than the young. When the automobile came about most insisted it was a folly. They were too dangerous, noisy, fuel was too hard to get.

[muted reborn]

Wouldn't mass transit and bicycle friendly be a better solution for the environment and our health? I know... I know..... save your fingers, not looking for an answer. I was really just curious about my original question re: the batteries needing cooling and how that works when temps are in the triple digits for extended periods of time.

Mass transit and bike friendly cities are a better solution but that's just a couple parts to the big puzzle. We can't just do one thing, we need to do all the things. Buying an EV is something that can be done today, unlike the low process of changing a city to be transit/bike friendly. And when you live in a polluted place due to mainly cars, yes, it does help the local environment directly, of course not much, but that's another topic. But i'd say try it all - bike when you can, take transit when you can't, and use an EV when you can't bike/transit.


As for a battery in heat - I think the average temp for a running battery is 104. I'm not sure when the cooling system needs to kick in when it's super hot. I'd bet most of the time you hear a tesla self-cooling is because the owner turned on Cabin overheat protection which cools the interior if gets over 90. 95, or 100 - depends on what you set it to. If the tesla sounds ragingly loud - that's the battery cooling.

[alpinevibes]

Power is wicked expensive in SoCal at around $0.46 a KWH. How much to go 100 miles in a model 3? I saw around 35 KW? Are those numbers accurate? So close to $15. My diesel Silverado gets about 25 mpg in city and 30mpg highway. At $5 gallon about the same to go 100 miles here? Maybe my math is jacked up. I lived in Germany and drove an Alfa Romeo 159 diesel, got about 40 mpg in that in a four door sedan about model 3 size.

Your data's a little off: Model 3 is rated at 4.17 miles per KWH, so roughly 24 kwh for 100mi, or $11 for that distance at your utility rate. That's versus about $21 of diesel to go 100mi for your Chevy at roughly $5.25/gal in SoCal, plus minimal, but some additional accrued costs of driving an ICE vs an EV.

[LongShortLong]

Do you have a tiered pricing system (off peak vs on peak)? Or is it a flare rate of .46 per KWH?

You can set your charger to only charge at certain times, to capitalize on off peak rates.

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California's electric rates are fucked, especially for a state that wants everyone to switch to electric for everything. But first your Q's
The basic rate plan is tiered. Mine is $.43 off peak, $.51 peak. There's also EV rate plans you can get that provides a subsidized night rate.

Why are rates so high? Idk, I tried to dig into it, but it was too complicated. I tried to find a media article explaining it, but they are all bullshit. Rates are almost entirely usage based with some minor flat fees. Rates are split between generation (electricity) and delivery (lines and poles). So, for example my .43 off-peak rate roughly consists of .29 for delivery, and .14 for generation. Yes, we pay more to get our power delivered than most of you pay total. Now I can understand that our generation rates may be higher than say PNW due to much less hydro, GHG charges, solar incentives, etc. It would be nice to get a breakdown on those. But an additional 0.29/kWh to get it to my place? Some of this effectively is a subsidy* to fire insurance companies, but I can't figure out how much, nor what else it's paying for.

Hawaii pays similar rates, and most of their power is diesel/oil generators, one of the most expensive ways to make electricity. WTF California PUC? If I owned my house, and especially if I charged an EV, I'd be looking into going off-grid.

* California has a unique law where the power companies are responsible for all damages caused by wildfires traced to their equipment. Which conceptually makes some sense, but not really when you consider decades of WUI construction and forest mismanagement. Not the power company's fault you chose to live in a tinderbox forest. Except, in California your bad decision is entirely their fault.

[Meadow Skipper]

…* California has a unique law where the power companies are responsible for all damages caused by wildfires traced to their equipment. Which conceptually makes some sense, but not really when you consider decades of WUI construction and forest mismanagement. Not the power company's fault you chose to live in a tinderbox forest. Except, in California your bad decision is entirely their fault.

It’s thread drift, but a really good point. It wouldn’t be out of place in the wildfire thread.

[durangobrad]

California's electric rates are fucked, especially for a state that wants everyone to switch to electric for everything. But first your Q's
The basic rate plan is tiered. Mine is $.43 off peak, $.51 peak. There's also EV rate plans you can get that provides a subsidized night rate.

Why are rates so high? Idk, I tried to dig into it, but it was too complicated. I tried to find a media article explaining it, but they are all bullshit. Rates are almost entirely usage based with some minor flat fees. Rates are split between generation (electricity) and delivery (lines and poles). So, for example my .43 off-peak rate roughly consists of .29 for delivery, and .14 for generation. Yes, we pay more to get our power delivered than most of you pay total. Now I can understand that our generation rates may be higher than say PNW due to much less hydro, GHG charges, solar incentives, etc. It would be nice to get a breakdown on those. But an additional 0.29/kWh to get it to my place? Some of this effectively is a subsidy* to fire insurance companies, but I can't figure out how much, nor what else it's paying for.

Hawaii pays similar rates, and most of their power is diesel/oil generators, one of the most expensive ways to make electricity. WTF California PUC? If I owned my house, and especially if I charged an EV, I'd be looking into going off-grid.

* California has a unique law where the power companies are responsible for all damages caused by wildfires traced to their equipment. Which conceptually makes some sense, but not really when you consider decades of WUI construction and forest mismanagement. Not the power company's fault you chose to live in a tinderbox forest. Except, in California your bad decision is entirely their fault.

Those rates are nuts and certainly make the ev equation a bit more difficult.

I pay $0.062 per kWh to charge so it's about $1.50 per 100 miles in my model Y.


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[frorider]

My understanding is that wildfire costs are indirectly hammering PG&E customers vs us Liberty customers in CA:



The summer distribution cost is low despite the rural character.

[frorider]

Those rates are nuts and certainly make the ev equation a bit more difficult.

I pay $0.062 per kWh to charge so it's about $1.50 per 100 miles in my model Y.


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#winning.

That rate is crazy low. Depending on how you slice it, ID and WA are generally considered the cheapest mostly due to hydro, while Nebraska is super cheap due to non profit utilities law. Yet the cheapest industrial rate I saw for these was 7 cents. Do you own an aluminum smelter and have a special rate with a nearby dam?

[Timberridge]

I'm sure nobody has ever even *thought* of that.

Of course they've thought of it. Whether they have a viable solution...

I guess we could all get generators and work from home. Problem solved.

[J. Barron DeJong]

My understanding is that wildfire costs are indirectly hammering PG&E customers vs us Liberty customers in CA:



The summer distribution cost is low despite the rural character.

Just checked what we pay in Truckee. $0.1489 per kWh, flat rate regardless of time of day or year. Includes the small CA state surcharge.

On top of that, there is a flat $24.53 monthly ‘customer’ fee.

[muted reborn]

Yes, we pay more to get our power delivered than most of you pay total. Now I can understand that our generation rates may be higher than say PNW due to much less hydro...

I thought southern California DOES get hydro power directly from the PNW via transmission lines. And there are 400 mile lines from a Delta Utah plant to LA. And on and on. Not sure how much LA imports power, but the entire state imports more than any other state at 25%.

[frorider]

I’ve read various studies but if you assume BEV adoption is insanely fast & every household has at least one BEV as their primary transportation within the next 5 yrs, and if you assume the grid can grow at its historic rate of 4% / yr, then we’re fine.

Of course in reality the BEV adoption rate won’t be that fast. Even Norway’s extreme incentives on BEV for years now has resulted in only 7% of vehicles on the road being EV.

So yes grid expansion is important but I’m not seeing disasters.

The grid fuckups in Texas, and the struggles to keep up with heat waves etc aren’t really an argument against BEV but are more an argument against shitty energy companies vs the Nebraska model.

[joeshek]

The gov't will make everyone buy EVs so whether you want one or not you'll be getting one at some point. I'm a bit worried what will happen to the grid though when everyone plugs them in at 7PM on a hot summer night.

Why would that happen? There is pretty simple control logic to stagger those charges to levelize loads based on time of use pricing and demand response events. Low tech is similar to what the utilities already use for air conditioners. But probably not necessary as many OEMs are setting those controls up in their phone apps.

It ain’t rocket surgery.

[joeshek]

I’ve read various studies but if you assume BEV adoption is insanely fast & every household has at least one BEV as their primary transportation within the next 5 yrs, and if you assume the grid can grow at its historic rate of 4% / yr, then we’re fine.

Of course in reality the BEV adoption rate won’t be that fast. Even Norway’s extreme incentives on BEV for years now has resulted in only 7% of vehicles on the road being EV.

So yes grid expansion is important but I’m not seeing disasters.

The grid fuckups in Texas, and the struggles to keep up with heat waves etc aren’t really an argument against BEV but are more an argument against shitty energy companies vs the Nebraska model.

Exactly. Though there are a lot of indicators that the market is about to explode. Rocky Mountain Institute had a good thought piece on it.

[bodywhomper]

Spent some time this weekend with extended family in their EV (my first time in an EV) and experienced mitigation for range management. With established plans for running errands and going out to dinner w/o an opportunity to recharge, we spent all time w/o running the AC because of the ~20% reduction in battery use. It was muggy and sweaty and interesting… not too smelly.

[alpinevibes]

Bump.

Anyone driving an ID4 AWD? Thoughts?

[durangobrad]

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[ticketchecker]

Test drove an ID4 last night, sales guy said it’s the new beetle


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[muted reborn]

Bump.

Anyone driving an ID4 AWD? Thoughts?

For the same price or possibly less, you can get a Model 3 Long Range Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive. What do you like more about the ID4?

[alpinevibes]

For the same price or possibly less, you can get a Model 3 Long Range Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive. What do you like more about the ID4?

We have an Alltrack right now so I like the similar size and interior/cargo space from the ID4. That’s the biggest thing compared to the Model 3 sedan setup.

We’ve been happy with VW and wouldn’t mind another, but I can’t say I’m excited about Tesla as a brand. I’d be interested in *potentially* trading it in towards an ID4 purchase from the same dealer. Both are eligible for $12500 in rebates here; ID4 has three years of charging but that wouldn’t be much of an upside where we live.

ETA: but then again the longer range on the 3 is not nothing and the Supercharger network is a plus. I’m very intrigued on going EV soon, maybe leasing, and taking advantage of the rebates while they’re high. We’ll see

[frorider]

and the Supercharger network is a plus

https://www.motortrend.com/features/...ing-other-evs/

They charged that VW no problem. Meanwhile we know VW is one of the brands planning to formally adopt the Tesla plug standard.