80 series land cruiser futures

[jackattack]

This I like.

[Skistack]

Very nice. But where will the new 4Runner fit into the lineup?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq1d...RedlineReviews

[Mazderati]

^ That's the biggest question I have. The new LC Prado will undoubtedly cannibalize some 4Runner sales. Maybe that is OK for reasons (production, logistic, tax, etc.).


This thing looks really cool and I'm glad it exists, but it also suggests the US doesn't get the 300 series GR Sport which is a bummer.

[snowaddict91]

I didn't think I'd have any interest in the new LC for myself, but I like it. Wonder what real world MPG will be like?

[simple]

Consider the 80 series value to just have bumped up again. Clearly a retro influence

[Conundrum]

Just talked to Mrs. C who has been compiling a list of new cars to replace her '08 Outback and this just jumped to the top. Would look pretty good parked next to my 80.

I think this article may have been a part of the decision. https://www.theonion.com/henry-ford-...8-s-1850660894

[AdironRider]

Wifey is on board. Local Toyota dealers have been pretty meh but this will be my next car. Really want the base model 1958 trim. Keeping the Jeep as a dedicated rock crawler but this new Land Cruiser looks tits.

[skaredshtles]

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Well it’s official now. Toyota kept the dimensions reasonable. IFS as expected. 2.4 hybrid.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...iser-revealed/

Looks like a Bronco had intimate relations with a Jeep Renegade... NTTAWWT.

[riser4]

Looks like a Bronco had intimate relations with a Jeep Renegade... NTTAWWT.

Bahahahahahahahahah

[nickwm21]

I like it.

Now they need to replace the 4Runner with a modern 1st gen / N60: 2 door, removable canopy. Bronco killer.


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[frorider]

Read somewhere that the hybrid battery makes the rear floor height kinda high.

That power train gets 22 mpg combined in tundra, so maybe 23 or 24 in the LC?

I haven’t paid much attention to the hybrid tundra but thought I heard complaints that towing up long grades sucks, the hybrid battery runs low & you’re redlining in a low ass gear. :shrug:

[Skistack]

It’s about 2 inches higher because of the battery. Looks weird.

Full time 4wd plus locking rear and center diffs are standard.


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[AdironRider]

I like it.

Now they need to replace the 4Runner with a modern 1st gen / N60: 2 door, removable canopy. Bronco killer.


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The internet is speculating this to be the case, given the close proximity in size between the current 4 Runner and this new Land Cruiser.

[AK47bp]

I’m getting closer to making a bad decision with these new Toyota SUV’s.

New Sequoia is beautiful and now this! Next the new 4Runner comes out? Shit.

I’ve been enjoying no car payment and zero issues on my 2011 4Runner for so long. About time to say fuck my 401k contribution and add a new car payment.

[ski-wpk]

In related news, seen on the streets of Paris yesterday. Definitely well used.

[supermodel159]

Only thing I like about the 250 Prado is its size is comparable to the 100 series, which in my eyes is the perfect trail size. Not stoked on the motor package because I tow, but, for the average consumer who is more concerned with MPG and not GVWR/Tow capacities, this Prado should be a nice fit.

[Kevo]

The new LC is confusing.

The base model is $20k more than I paid for my new TRD ORP 4Runner with KDSS in 2018. It has worse ground clearance, a more down-market interior (no power seats, no softex, etc), a much more complex drivetrain and a suspension that isn't anywhere close to as good. It has a shit ton of plastic body molding that is unpainted, which as a former Xterra owner I can attest to being a massive pain in the ass to live with. The plastic molding is impossible to keep clean and it slowly degrades over time- the color fades and there is nothing you can do to fix it. It also has what appears to have less storage space due to batteries being stored in the trunk area.

I don't understand what Toyota is thinking. The new LC seems to be a more expensive but worse 4Runner.

I'm sure there will be plenty of people who want one though, which means dealer markups and insane wait times.

[jackattack]

It’s not 2018 anymore.

I’m also surprised by the extent of the unpainted exterior pieces but I’d bet most of that will quickly be replaced with trail jewelry/armor.

[grabtindy]

I don't understand what Toyota is thinking. The new LC seems to be a more expensive but worse 4Runner.

I'm sure there will be plenty of people who want one though, which means dealer markups and insane wait times.

You've pretty much answered your own question. The other main reason is to maximize the revenue they can extract from the TNGA-F platform by building for as wide a market as the platform will support. The traditional new LC buyer was quite wealthy, so why provide them a cheaper alternative to the LX. Now the 200 series buyers will graduate into a more expensive LX and everyone gets to choose their flavor of TNGA-F (Prado, Landcruiser, Sequia, Tacoma, Tundra, GX, and presumably the new 4runner). There's certainly a lot of overlap in their suv lineup, but they don't have maintain massively different production lines to support them.

[The Reverend Floater]

The new LC is confusing.

The base model is $20k more than I paid for my new TRD ORP 4Runner with KDSS in 2018. It has worse ground clearance, a more down-market interior (no power seats, no softex, etc), a much more complex drivetrain and a suspension that isn't anywhere close to as good. It has a shit ton of plastic body molding that is unpainted, which as a former Xterra owner I can attest to being a massive pain in the ass to live with. The plastic molding is impossible to keep clean and it slowly degrades over time- the color fades and there is nothing you can do to fix it. It also has what appears to have less storage space due to batteries being stored in the trunk area.

I don't understand what Toyota is thinking. The new LC seems to be a more expensive but worse 4Runner.

I'm sure there will be plenty of people who want one though, which means dealer markups and insane wait times.

Why do you think the drivetrain is superior in your 4runner? This little sucker has 450lbs of torque, more HP, and boasts 27mpg (call it ~23). While the idea of a 4 banger LC is odd to me, I'd think this is a superior drivetrain to previous 4runners....as long as it proves reliable.

Trim aside, they're going to sell the shit out of this.

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[heckacali]

80 SERIES futures.

[Kevo]

You've pretty much answered your own question. The other main reason is to maximize the revenue they can extract from the TNGA-F platform by building for as wide a market as the platform will support. The traditional new LC buyer was quite wealthy, so why provide them a cheaper alternative to the LX. Now the 200 series buyers will graduate into a more expensive LX and everyone gets to choose their flavor of TNGA-F (Prado, Landcruiser, Sequia, Tacoma, Tundra, GX, and presumably the new 4runner). There's certainly a lot of overlap in their suv lineup, but they don't have maintain massively different production lines to support them.

I think what was appealing about the 200 series was that it was a stealth wealth car. People that know it understand how awesome it is. People that don't know just see a Toyota. It wasn't super flashy on the outside.

Now in order to have it, you need to get it with Lexus badging and not awesome approach angles.

Why do you think the drivetrain is superior in your 4runner? This little sucker has 450lbs of torque, more HP, and boasts 27mpg (call it ~23). While the idea of a 4 banger LC is odd to me, I'd think this is a superior drivetrain to previous 4runners....as long as it proves reliable.

Trim aside, they're going to sell the shit out of this.

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The 4 liter V6 in 5th Gen 4runners is mechanically simple and lasts forever.

The new LC has more power and better gas mileage, but it has a very mechanically complex drive train. I think it will most likely be less reliable because it has so many additional points of failure.

[bodywhomper]

It’ll be interesting to see how the drivetrain holds up. How many other Toyota trucks will it be standard for (or an option)? Taco, 4Runner?


Btw, I’m pretty sure my ‘99 100-series has the same 6500# towing capacity.

[BmillsSkier]

I like it and expect that it will give Defender buyers something more reliable to cross shop.

[Ted Striker]

The 4 liter V6 in 5th Gen 4runners is mechanically simple and lasts forever.

True. The 2nd gen 1GR is bulletproof. That said, my 5th gen 4R costs $90ish to fill up in NW WA.