Athletic performance in your 40s?

[The AD]

I mean, of course if you burn 3000 calories a day and take in 2500 calories, you will lose weight even if 1000 of those calories are sugar. But people absolutely are getting fat from eating sugar.

But those two statements are contradictory. People are getting fat from the caloric imbalance. They'd get fat if they replaced those six Cokes with six hamburgers, too. But, yes, in general too many people are consuming too much simple sugar.

[Danno]

But those two statements are contradictory. People are getting fat from the caloric imbalance. They'd get fat if they replaced those six Cokes with six hamburgers, too.

True. Ultimately, it's calories in, calories out, for the most part. But it's a TON easier to drink 6 cokes than it is to eat six burgers. And for the average person who isn't able to do hours of exercise every day, it's way easier to eat too many calories than it is to exercise away those calories. And it's way easier to eat too many calories by eating sugar.

So yes, fundamentally people are getting fat because of eating too many calories. But eating sugar is a very easy and very common way to eat too many calories. So to say "people aren't getting fat from eating too much sugar" ignores how easy it is to ingest a substantial amount of calories via sugar and how hard it is for the average person to exercise away those calories.

[The AD]

Peace. I'll agree that a major factor for many people's weight gain is too much sugar.

[XXX-er]

I'm gona generalize that the guy or girl who does the cigs and sodas isnt paying attention to portion control of what they eat either

but i think what happened is back in the day the sugar lobby paid somebody off better than the Fat lobby

[Supermoon]

I'm gona generalize that the guy or girl who does the cigs and sodas isnt paying attention to portion control of what they eat either

but i think what happened is back in the day the sugar lobby paid somebody off better than the Fat lobby

Back when I was doing MMA I trained with a guy on Japan’s Olympic judo team and to cut weight he would just pound Diet Pepsi and chain smoke cigs, so if it’s good enough for him…

[XXX-er]

yeah ok but I would argue that ^^ is not the usual profile of a cigs and soda person

If you wana see an unusual diet watch one of Mr Olympia Jay Cutler the body builder's vids

https://ca.video.search.yahoo.com/yh...b&action=click

Jay eats clean but the amount of food is amazing, apparently body building is all about the eating, he spends 5 or 6 hrs a day just cooking & eating, he can lose 10 lbs over night

[Supermoon]

That feels like a bleak existence

[XXX-er]

I worked with a guy who was ex pro football player, he maintained 50-60 lbs overweight for 15 yrs to play offensive center, he said that he didn't even like eating and i never seen him eat lunch for 5 years

[leroy jenkins]

But those two statements are contradictory. People are getting fat from the caloric imbalance. They'd get fat if they replaced those six Cokes with six hamburgers, too. But, yes, in general too many people are consuming too much simple sugar.

I'd be really curious to see a study that has people try to overeat spinach and other vegetables and see the results. Its rather hard to overeat spinach.

there is also the inflammatory aspect of sugar.

There is also the fact that very few people who eat a lot of sugar are eating like maple syrup and honey. HFCS doesn't get burnt as sugar in your blood even if you're working out while eating it, it gets stored as fat first.

[jackstraw]

Checking in on this thread cause I just ticked over into this exciting new stage of being 40 last week, and my health, both physical and mental, is about as bad as it's ever been. My 30's were spent with way too much time working, stressing, and eating/drinking and way too little time moving my body.

Yeah. I was super busy raising two kids, coaching youth sports, working my job, owning and running a business with my wife, and my free moments were limited. I maintained by running and mtn biking a little, but not nearly as much as I would have liked to. With that behind me I'm in good shape, but it's hard to say I'm in better shape than back then because age is the equalizer. If I was doing what I do now back in my 30's I'd probably be pro...at everything [emoji1787].

I still think diet is critical. Ditch soda, processed stuff and fast food. Sure moderation is key, but once you stop putting garbage down your throat the thought of doing so doesn't enter your mind. The taste is unappealing and you just adapt to a new way of being. I'm not a perfect eater as I like beer, chips, salsa and guac, but again, moderation. Don't do it every day.

[The Reverend Floater]

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[Dantheman]

I'd be really curious to see a study that has people try to overeat spinach and other vegetables and see the results. Its rather hard to overeat spinach.

This is basically that study: https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism...19)30248-7.pdf

Ad libitum feeding (subjects ate as much as they wanted) of unprocessed vs. ultra-processed diets that were matched for presented calories, sugar, fat, fiber, and macros. Inpatient study where the study directors controlled and counted everything the subjects ate so the data is very high quality. The unprocessed group spontaneously ate ~500 kcal/day less than the processed group. Yes, it's much harder to overeat unprocessed foods since they have more water and lower caloric density which makes them inherently more satiating.

There is also the fact that very few people who eat a lot of sugar are eating like maple syrup and honey. HFCS doesn't get burnt as sugar in your blood even if you're working out while eating it, it gets stored as fat first.

LOL, no.

[XXX-er]

awhile back the ski hill was doing 3 events back to back and I was there helping/ hanging, I ate 9 days of comp cheese burgers and beer I wasn't used to it and I didnt feel that good by day 9

i dated a yoga instructor for 7 years, even the beginners yoga was a great help

it was an on-off-on-off romance, SO digital man

[The AD]

LOL, no.

Glad you said this. I was like "What? No way..."

Simple sugar is simple sugar as far as I know.

[bennymac]

I think there’s plenty of evidence it’s way more complicated than calories in/calories out.

1000 calories of steak is handled by our bodies differently than 1000 calories of root beer

[Danno]

I think there’s plenty of evidence it’s way more complicated than calories in/calories out.

1000 calories of steak is handled by our bodies differently than 1000 calories of root beer

I agree from what little I know. But while there is a lot that goes into how our bodies function, it still is basically calories in calories out when it comes to weight. Two people on very different diets, but both eating 2000 calories/day and both getting the same level of physical activity, are not going to have dramatically different weight loss or gain results.

[bennymac]

I agree from what little I know. But while there is a lot that goes into how our bodies function, it still is basically calories in calories out when it comes to weight. Two people on very different diets, but both eating 2000 calories/day and both getting the same level of physical activity, are not going to have dramatically different weight loss or gain results.

I’ve read books that disagree with that simplification. But I’m not an expert to be able to explain why they disagree .

[Cono Este]

I saw a 400lb man today hitting the bench. Probably 30!

I wanted to go kick him in the teeth, chain him to the treadmill, and feed him through a tube.

I think he read my mind.

[2FUNKY]

I saw a 400lb man today hitting the bench. Probably 30!

I wanted to go kick him in the teeth, chain him to the treadmill, and feed him through a tube.

I think he read my mind.

He should be lifting as well as walking/low impact cardio at his weight.



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[californiagrown]

I think there’s plenty of evidence it’s way more complicated than calories in/calories out.

1000 calories of steak is handled by our bodies differently than 1000 calories of root beer

It truly is NOT more complicated. If you want to lose weight, eat less calories than you burn. Doesnt matter what those calories are from. Period. Full stop. If you disagree with that, you disagree with a basic tenant of science. Annoys me to no end with this basic fundamental fact of nature is dismissed by fatties and fatty apologists.


If you are trying to optimize weight loss/gain, both from a body composition as well as satiety/enjoyment/performance aspect, then yes it is more complicated than calories in vs calories out. And that is where the type/timing/etc of the food you eat matters.

But it is IMPOSSIBLE to maintain or gain weight if an organism burns more calories than they take in.


MOST people's problem is that they want to major in the minors of diet and exercise instead of just grinding away at the basic, boring obviously healthy ways to live on a daily basis for years on end. Its truly not rocket science. At all. It could not be more simple... its just not as enjoyable in the moment as making unhealthy choices.

[bennymac]

He should be lifting as well as walking/low impact cardio at his weight.



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Maybe he is.

[bennymac]

It truly is NOT more complicated. If you want to lose weight, eat less calories than you burn. Doesnt matter what those calories are from. Period. Full stop. If you disagree with that, you disagree with a basic tenant of science. Annoys me to no end with this basic fundamental fact of nature is dismissed by fatties and fatty apologists.


If you are trying to optimize weight loss/gain, both from a body composition as well as satiety/enjoyment/performance aspect, then yes it is more complicated than calories in vs calories out. And that is where the type/timing/etc of the food you eat matters.

But it is IMPOSSIBLE to maintain or gain weight if an organism burns more calories than they take in.

Holy fucking shit dude calm down. I think you need more fiber in your diet.

[2FUNKY]

Maybe he is.

Exactly my point….


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[Cono Este]

It truly is NOT more complicated. If you want to lose weight, eat less calories than you burn. Doesnt matter what those calories are from. Period. Full stop. If you disagree with that, you disagree with a basic tenant of science. Annoys me to no end with this basic fundamental fact of nature is dismissed by fatties and fatty apologists.


If you are trying to optimize weight loss/gain, both from a body composition as well as satiety/enjoyment/performance aspect, then yes it is more complicated than calories in vs calories out. And that is where the type/timing/etc of the food you eat matters.

But it is IMPOSSIBLE to maintain or gain weight if an organism burns more calories than they take in.


MOST people's problem is that they want to major in the minors of diet and exercise instead of just grinding away at the basic, boring obviously healthy ways to live on a daily basis for years on end. Its truly not rocket science. At all. It could not be more simple... its just not as enjoyable in the moment as making unhealthy choices.

It’s diet man. People show up and burn 200 calories at the gym, if they’re lucky, then they go grab some donuts.

As a type 2, when I walk through a grocery store, I realize that 95% of what on the shelves is not food. Americans have been marketed to from birth, junk. It’s placed at eye level, at the checkout counter. Etc.

I even studied some nutrition in college, had a great teacher, and find it hard. The average American has no chance. It’s like teaching an Amazonian to read and write for the first time in a 1000 generations, actually that would be easier.

[Danno]

If you disagree with that, you disagree with a basic tenant of science.

science is a fickle landlord.