Electric car thread

[Ted Striker]

I guess Jason Jones is hard up for cash now that Sam Bee's show was canceled.

[bennymac]

This ad was pretty funny but it is also pretty shitty of RAM. They are trying to keep Ford and others from getting first mover advantage and becoming known as EV leaders, because RAM is are behind. They don't have anything to sell so they are trying to make people wait to buy EVs until they do. They clearly don't give a shit about the environment / climate or anything but themselves.

so basically you are saying they are guilty of premature electrification

[Beaver]

Dodge can barely build a vehicle that lasts 10 years before it is trash. (OK, truth, they're trash when new). Is anyone surprised they haven't tried to market an EV?

[WMD]

so basically you are saying they are guilty of premature electrification

No, RAM is guilty of feeling inadequate because they can't electrify yet. If they could electrify already, and do it well, they'd just do it and kick ass. But because they can't they are trying to make everyone else look they have ED. They want to tear the industry down because they have EV envy. We see through it, though, and realize they just can't perform. It's sad and pathetic. Grow some hair on your balls RAM!

[AdironRider]

This ad was pretty funny but it is also pretty shitty of RAM. They are trying to keep Ford and others from getting first mover advantage and becoming known as EV leaders, because RAM is are behind. They don't have anything to sell so they are trying to make people wait to buy EVs until they do. They clearly don't give a shit about the environment / climate or anything but themselves.

It is literally an ad for an electric pickup.

Which as Ford has showing with the Lightning and its lack of range and battery failures, maybe taking a minute to get it right is the smart move.

But your reaction really just shows (along with Fords hickups), as I have argued ad nauseum, that EV's really aren't ready for prime time across the board, and you know it.

[mcphee]

It is literally an ad for an electric pickup.

Which as Ford has showing with the Lightning and its lack of range and battery failures, maybe taking a minute to get it right is the smart move.

But your reaction really just shows (along with Fords hickups), as I have argued ad nauseum, that EV's really aren't ready for ME, and you know it.

FIFY

[schuss]

It is literally an ad for an electric pickup.

Which as Ford has showing with the Lightning and its lack of range and battery failures, maybe taking a minute to get it right is the smart move.

But your reaction really just shows (along with Fords hickups), as I have argued ad nauseum, that EV's really aren't ready for prime time across the board, and you know it.

Ha, if it was anyone but Stellantis, that might track, but Stellantis makes all their hay NOT updating platforms and getting to the party late because it's cheaper.

[Core Shot]

Maybe EV will force the return of the wagon.

That would be nice. So many gas guzzling grocery getters driven by soccer moms these days. Pickups are for work. And hauling.

The irony of a ram pickup Ev having premature electrification. Is hilarious in an ironic sense. They’re jealous of the lightning. And trying to address their core penis compensating customer. Not to mention the ramming.

[WMD]

FIFY

Ha, so true. Although he really meant "l'm not ready for EVs".

[WMD]

"Electrifying US ports could drive sharp cuts in air pollution
"A new analysis finds that cities near some of the busiest U.S. ports could see major health benefits if the facilities powered ships and trucks with electricity.

"America’s waterfront communities could see a dramatic reduction in toxic air pollution if ports powered ships and trucks using only electricity instead of exhaust-spewing diesel engines, a new analysis found."
https://www.canarymedia.com/articles...-air-pollution

Oh wow, another study showing electrification addresses air pollution. Crazy that stopping burning oil and gas cleans up the air. Who knew?

[AdironRider]

Ha, if it was anyone but Stellantis, that might track, but Stellantis makes all their hay NOT updating platforms and getting to the party late because it's cheaper.

I'm not going to argue that Stallantis, well really just the Dodge and RAM arms of it, aren't based on old school muscle and tech. But that isn't exactly unique. Toyota is well documented as saying the EV push isn't ready either, and their shit doesn't stink.

[WMD]

"Electrifying US ports could drive sharp cuts in air pollution
"A new analysis finds that cities near some of the busiest U.S. ports could see major health benefits if the facilities powered ships and trucks with electricity.

"America’s waterfront communities could see a dramatic reduction in toxic air pollution if ports powered ships and trucks using only electricity instead of exhaust-spewing diesel engines, a new analysis found."
https://www.canarymedia.com/articles...-air-pollution

Oh wow, another study showing electrification addresses air pollution. Crazy that stopping burning oil and gas cleans up the air. Who knew?

[mcphee]

It’d also be great if truck stops and rest areas had shore power to keep truckers from idling their rigs while they sleep.

[schuss]

I'm not going to argue that Stallantis, well really just the Dodge and RAM arms of it, aren't based on old school muscle and tech. But that isn't exactly unique. Toyota is well documented as saying the EV push isn't ready either, and their shit doesn't stink.

That's because Toyota is obsessed with Hydrogen. Toyota also is mostly about detuned last gen tech to maximize reliability (is anyone going to argue the 4runner is current in any way?). There's plenty to admire about Toyota methods, but they're far from perfect.
A good example is how they always try to game crash tests by only adding stuff to where the test is like with small overlap. Until they started testing passenger small overlap Toyota did not strengthen that side.

[nickwm21]

….and Toyota is dropping some awesome EVs over the next two years…..


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[schuss]

….and Toyota is dropping some awesome EVs over the next two years…..


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We'll see, the bz4x hasn't exactly impressed.

[dunfree]

We'll see, the bz4x hasn't exactly impressed.

they invested in teslA, partnered with Tesla, then changed how they did shit. They make good cars

[LongShortLong]

Toyota fired the anti-EV guy for being anti-EV. They're going EV.

I'm curious where AR thinks EV tech has reached. It's certainly better than horses, so that's the 1920s. Curiously we had electric vehicles then in the form of streetcars. 1960s cars broke down a lot, couldn't sustain 70mph, made us dumb with their lead pollution, and were unsafe at any speed; EVs are better in all those categories. On the scale of humanity's existence, it seems EVs are pretty clearly better than what we've had for >99% of our existence. So if we trashed all the ICE crap tomorrow, we'd get by. Ok - 5 year transition.

[bodywhomper]

I’m hearing more about dual future in hydrogen and plug in EV. It is not clear to me why one would be chosen over the other and for what types of vehicle.

Personally, I’m curious about the replacement of my land cruiser. When it going to be available and be affordable to me. Land cruise is used for driving off road to lakes, rivers, and trailheads. Used for shuttling family/friends to the ski hill and camping trips. Used for hauling a utility trailer full of shit like soil, gravel, green waste, trash, and firewood.

[Garbowski]

That 9000 pound hummer EV is where your land cruiser is headed- the MSRP new is about the same. I think it's just a mater of range, and hopefully that improves. For that reason, I've been eyeing a plug in hybrid SUV since I do sometimes go 500+ miles in a weekend.

The torque from EVs is worth losing all the ICE stuff to me. A basic EV is much more fun to drive than any car I could ever afford. I hope they start putting more manual transmissions in them.

[WMD]

What if we talked about ICE vehicles the way we talk about EVs?

After using a gas car for a while, I do find some aspects appealing. For one, it’s an engineering marvel. The machinery that harnesses combustion energy is ridiculously complicated. It’s amazing that the thing works at all. The word that comes to my mind after driving a gas car is “primal”. All of your senses are engaged: the sound and vibration of the engine; the smell of volatile chemicals and exhaust; the nagging reminder that you are speeding around with a tank full of napalm. Some may find it terrifying; others (such as myself) find it exhilarating.

But no matter how enjoyable a gas car is at its best, it’s just not compelling for daily use. Compared to the status quo a gas car is inconvenient, slow, noisy, smelly, and dangerous. I think a few enthusiasts and hipsters will enjoy tooling around in these things, and rich people might have one for special occasions (along with their horses and sailboats), but the vast majority of people are better served with a normal car. I doubt these combustion vehicles will ever be popular.

https://geoff.greer.fm/2023/02/08/gasoline-car-review/

[gravitylover]

1960s cars broke down a lot, couldn't sustain 70mph, made us dumb with their lead pollution, and were unsafe at any speed; EVs are better in all those categories. On the scale of humanity's existence, it seems EVs are pretty clearly better than what we've had for >99% of our existence. So if we trashed all the ICE crap tomorrow, we'd get by. Ok - 5 year transition.

That's why we're dumb? Hmmph.

I like Mazda's idea using a rotary generator to keep the battery pack charged makes a lot of sense and can't wait to see how it holds up in the real world.

[MontuckyFried]

I like Mazda's idea using a rotary generator to keep the battery pack charged makes a lot of sense and can't wait to see how it holds up in the real world.

I have high hopes. I'm a big rotary fan to begin with though, so I'm biased. A hybrid is the perfect application for a rotary. Constant speeds at high revs are where they shine. With such a fast spinning single rotor, it should be able to turn the generator quickly and effortlessly. Probably smooth and quiet too.

[riser4]

Wankel.

[bodywhomper]

That 9000 pound hummer EV is where your land cruiser is headed- the MSRP new is about the same. I think it's just a mater of range, and hopefully that improves. For that reason, I've been eyeing a plug in hybrid SUV since I do sometimes go 500+ miles in a weekend.

The torque from EVs is worth losing all the ICE stuff to me. A basic EV is much more fun to drive than any car I could ever afford. I hope they start putting more manual transmissions in them.

The 9k pound part is what gives me pause. That’s a lot of weight to control sideways on a windy downhill black ice road. It seems like heavy is currently the only option of current or future similar vehicles. With the high torque, it seems like smaller vehicles may be an option for hauling/pulling, if they can safely handle the weight for things like braking. Not sure how small we can go in the future.