SCARPA 4 Quattro

[CaliBrit]

The Scarpa 4 Quattro is my final destination after having gone through several other options for a hybrid in/out of bounds ATM boot over the past 3 seasons. I have a pretty narrow low-volume foot, too narrow for the Mastrale to fit well. Part of the problem I think has been salesmen in shops putting me in the wrong boots here in the Boulder/Denver area. I won't mention the shops b/c it is irrelevant the way labor comes and goes these days.

Here was my journey and brief comments:
1) Salomon S-LAB Explore - Great touring boot but not stiff enough for bigger skis inbounds. Fit pretty well but lost a toenail from toe bang.
2) Technica Cochise - Heavy and never could get a good fit.
3) Atomic Hawx XTD 130 - Skied great and liked the weight but IMPOSSIBLE to get on and off. Couldn't take it anymore.
4) K2 Mindbender 130 - Too heavy and soft but very comfortable. Probably bought them too big (on sale).
5) Scarpa 4 Quattro XT- FINALLY!! Fit great with a pretty amateur boot fitter, basically 1 bake and that was it. Nice and light, tour great with awesome ROM, and can ski anything on any ski. I ordered 2 pair online not knowing what size I needed and accidentally went past the return window on the smaller 27.0 so those are for sale at a great price on this site. Couldn't even get my foot into them.
Bottom line the Scarpa 4 Quattro is highly recommended especially if you have a low-volume foot. Perhaps there are fitting techniques for medium or wide feet you'd need to investigate. One heads up; pay attention when you put them on to get all the flaps in the right order, they have a tendency to overlap improperly on the lower buckle of the cuff. Easy fix once you are aware of it.

Didn’t try the ZGTP though

[CaliBrit]

Anyone know where I can get the power strap from this boot? I’d like to try a booster strap on my touring boots and this is a nice lighter version with a hook.

Asked at our local shop and they seemed hesitant.

[AlpiNord]

Anyone know where I can get the power strap from this boot? I’d like to try a booster strap on my touring boots and this is a nice lighter version with a hook.

Asked at our local shop and they seemed hesitant.

Scarpa's Parts & Accessories is not showing the Quattro Powers Straps yet. You might be best served to call 'em.

Other than a little less material and different technique, I'm not sure I'm seeing an advantage of the hook vs their other velcro power strap. YMMV. Maybe just because I was so used to pushing the strap through the loop and pulling tight. The hook needs to be loosened with the tab to remove and hook on, then pull the strap like the other power strap.

[CaliBrit]

Scarpa's Parts & Accessories is not showing the Quattro Powers Straps yet. You might be best served to call 'em.

Other than a little less material and different technique, I'm not sure I'm seeing an advantage of the hook vs their other velcro power strap. YMMV. Maybe just because I was so used to pushing the strap through the loop and pulling tight. The hook needs to be loosened with the tab to remove and hook on, then pull the strap like the other power strap.

That looks even better weight wise, does it actually have the elastic booster config in it?

I guess the difference is it is easier to get used to pulling it tight with a cam for a more consistent boot config. The normal booster just seems so heavy.

[AlpiNord]

That looks even better weight wise, does it actually have the elastic booster config in it?

I guess the difference is it is easier to get used to pulling it tight with a cam for a more consistent boot config. The normal booster just seems so heavy.

6 of one half dozen of the other, IMO. You are basically pulling the the strap forward (Active Power Strap) or back (Quattro) through a ring and either locking it in place with velcro or the cam lock in the Quattros. I think the strap on site looks like my Hurricanes with nylon webbing and no elasticity. But 'Active' suggests elasticity, no?

[CaliBrit]

6 of one half dozen of the other, IMO. You are basically pulling the the strap through a ring and either locking it in place with velcro or the cam lock in the Quattros. I think the strap on site is like my Hurricanes with nylon webbing and no elasticity.

Ok! Well the actually point was I wanted the strap that is actually a Booster strap. Which the new Quattro XT is.

[AlpiNord]

Looks like you posted while I edited and added a photo.


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[CaliBrit]

Looks like you posted while I edited and added a photo.


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Yeah. I’d like to know what active means.

[PinyonJuniper5]

This boot is amazing in so many ways, but I have one MAJOR qualm.

I bought these to replace my Hawx 130 XTD’s which never skied that well IMO, hurt my feet to get in/out of, and came with a shitty stock liner. I also felt like the Hawx was a bit too forward, I never tried the 13 degree lean swap, but maybe this would have helped. I spend the majority of my time skiing in F1 LT’s so I have become very accustomed to an upright boot. I also primarily ski de-cambered (rockered) skis, which also favor a more upright stance.

Enter the Quattro with its perfect (for me), low volume fit, incredible range of motion, true GripWalk compatibility (I use them in Pivot15’s with no issues) and innovative overlap+tongue style build. I find this boot much easier to get in/out of than the Hawx or other overlap hybrid boots because of the articulated tongue. I was also able to bump the forward lean back to ~13 degrees which is about perfect for me.

Problem is, on day 2, I broke the walk mode. Just a clean shear through the metal upon landing a small jump into soft snow. The shop I bought them from secured me a new walk mech, directly from Scarpa. Then, on day four, I broke the walk mech on the other boot. Wow. The shop is working on replacing the other walk mech, but I’m seriously concerned that it will happen again. If it happens a third time, I’ll be returning these and getting something else.

I’ve never had durability problems from Scapra in the past, (even though I did explode a pair of Alien RS’s a few years ago, that was my fault). I’m curious to see if anyone else has had an issue with this?

[funkendrenchman]

Any experiences with the SL? I weigh 150.

[AlpiNord]

Any experiences with the SL? I weigh 150.

FWIW, At 180, I’ve been liking the 130 flex (especially on carvers) of the XTs on firm and packed powder groomers, bumps, crud and powder at the area. This, after being very content for about 7 years with 120 flex (IIRC) Scarpa Hurricanes for the same conditions and terrain. For some days and softer snows at the area and more so for BC, I kinda wish I had the less stiff 120 flex of the SLs, assuming other things being equal.

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[MyNameIsAugustWest]

Very intrigued by these boots.

I currently do 95% of my skiing in Scarpa Mobes with a handful of days in Scarpa Freedom RS and a handful in Scarpa F1s. I bought the Mobes here on TGR from a mag (wish I could remember his handle!) who had 2 different sized feet that were the opposites of my 2 different sized feet. He bought 2 pair (different sizes) and sold me his discards at an insane price for brand new boots. I wear the 27 boot on my left foot and the 28 boot on my right. The Freedoms and the F1s are both 28s on both feet.

I'm old and not getting any younger...and having a bitch of a time getting my feet into overlap boots. Arthritis in big toes and ankles....

It sounds like the Quattros are similar to the 3-piece Mobes in terms of ease of entry...a big plus. Can current owners of this boot comment?

Scarpa's website doesn't list boot weights but states that the XT is "just over three pounds" but doesn't comment on the SL's weight. Any idea what the SL weighs? While I don't dislike the 130 flex on the Freedom RSs, I've gotten pretty comfortable skiing in the Mobes which I would guess are 110-120 flex. I don't view the softer flex of the SLs as a detriment but also don't want heavyweight shoes for the ups. I did note Alpimnord's comments above on flex so maybe just curious on the boot weight for the SL.

Thnx mags...

[funkendrenchman]

Very intrigued by these boots.

I currently do 95% of my skiing in Scarpa Mobes with a handful of days in Scarpa Freedom RS and a handful in Scarpa F1s. I bought the Mobes here on TGR from a mag (wish I could remember his handle!) who had 2 different sized feet that were the opposites of my 2 different sized feet. He bought 2 pair (different sizes) and sold me his discards at an insane price for brand new boots. I wear the 27 boot on my left foot and the 28 boot on my right. The Freedoms and the F1s are both 28s on both feet.

I'm old and not getting any younger...and having a bitch of a time getting my feet into overlap boots. Arthritis in big toes and ankles....

It sounds like the Quattros are similar to the 3-piece Mobes in terms of ease of entry...a big plus. Can current owners of this boot comment?

Scarpa's website doesn't list boot weights but states that the XT is "just over three pounds" but doesn't comment on the SL's weight. Any idea what the SL weighs? While I don't dislike the 130 flex on the Freedom RSs, I've gotten pretty comfortable skiing in the Mobes which I would guess are 110-120 flex. I don't view the softer flex of the SLs as a detriment but also don't want heavyweight shoes for the ups. I did note Alpimnord's comments above on flex so maybe just curious on the boot weight for the SL.

Thnx mags...

I see a weight of 1430g in a 27.

Any suggestions on sizing? Currently ski an F1 in a 25.5 which is a tad short, but otherwise fits great after a little work.

[MyNameIsAugustWest]

I see a weight of 1430g in a 27.

Any suggestions on sizing? Currently ski an F1 in a 25.5 which is a tad short, but otherwise fits great after a little work.

Thanks...so also "just over 3 pounds" (3.16 if I did my conversion right).

Now going to watch to see if PinyonJuniper5's experience with the walk mode mech is an anomaly or a design flaw.

[XXX-er]

https://www.wildsnow.com/33709/the-1...tro-sl-review/

this ^^ is also a bit of a ZG Tour pro compro

so it looks like the replacement for the Maestrale

[soupcan66]

Bumping this thread to see if anyone has any more updates on how they ski and longer term durability. Really liked these boots when I tried them on but I am always hesitant to jump on a new product the year it is released.

[PinyonJuniper5]

Since I fixed mine for the second time, I’ve had no issues. That said I haven’t been able to rally on them quite as hard as I’d like. Will report back after this weekend, I will have two solid days skiing inbounds to try and break them again.


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[AlpiNord]

They work fine for me after several 100k vertical of skiing hard pack and packed powder on groomers, bumps, crud and powder. For touring I don’t think about them, since they function as needed, provide excellent ROM, are easy to switch modes and are comfortable.

I am less finicky than others about minor stuff and adapt to whatever I am wearing as long as they fit well and I can make turns. The way they wrap and buckle takes a little getting used to and could be improved a little.


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[Mountain Relish]

My experiences with the boots have been positive, but not without a few frustrations. I have been skiing them solidly for about 4 weeks. For reference I am 193cm tall, and about 82kgs, and I am a fully qualified ski instructor (so I am technically solid). During the winter I am on my skis most days, and generally for full days, so I spend a lot of time using my kit.

For their weight, and after a couple of small mods I have been very happy with these boots. With my work I do everything from coaching fairly low level instructors towards exams, through taking people touring, through to teaching kids who are skiing for the first time, and I have been able to do all of it in these boots. Whether they are a complete quiver killer boot will depend on the individual, but for me I will still want a stronger boot for high end personal skiing, and a more focused touring boot as well.

As people have mentioned the tongue is a real faff, especially if you need to take your liner out to dry it. I have put a special version of the Intuition Tour Pro into it (the high density version that Sole in Chamonix sell), and getting the liner into the boot in the morning is a hassle.

The second thing to consider is that the plastic is pretty weird when it comes to punching. Sole did a few punches for me, and the punches have worked really well in terms of solving the pressure points (though the results are not pretty). They had to be very careful when heating the plastic, and then it went from being not soft enough to being super soft in a very short space of time. As long as you have a very good boot fitter like Sole then it should be ok, but it certainly took more skill and care than any punches I have had on previous boots.

The other thing that did not work for me was the powerstrap. I just found that I could not get the tension right, and that I could not get the strength out of it that I wanted. It may help make the flex more progressive, but I was happy to give up some of the smoothness to get a stronger support from the boots. I ended up putting an old double static strap on them (the old Atomic Redster straps), and I found that it made a huge difference, and I can push the boot much harder now than before. Something to bear in mind with this is that I am very tall, and I like to drive the fronts of my boots, so that combination of leverage and drive means that I do prefer a very solid flex.

All that said I am now very happy with them, and they do work for what I bought them for. They are not perfect, but I have not found anything better for my foot, and for what I want them to do.

[AlpiNord]

PSA Scarpa Ski Boots are now 20% off through 6/30.

https://us.scarpa.com/skiing?product_list_limit=all


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[Larix]

A little update. Been in the boots for 15-20 days now. Pretty much exclusively toured in them.
I have a VERY low volume foot. I had some instep issues at first but that was cured by a better food bed. So far I haven’t needed any boot work.
Okay as for walking/skiing. Coming from the ZGTP I find this boot walks way better. I don’t feel the need to use the high riser nearly as much, I also find the pivot to have a lot less friction. I do need to have the boot completely open to get the full ROM and the buckles seem to catch sometimes.
Skiing has been pretty great. Feels true to flex. I have spent of the time touring in WA around the Stevens Pass corridor and in a range of conditions. Blower to breakable. Does pretty well…as well as one could ask for in breakable.
I did have one day skiing inbounds as Mission Ridge on a pretty firm day and they boots we able to rail/carve in hard pack surprisingly well. If I didn’t already have an strain alpine setup, I think these boots would be a good contender for a 50/50 boot…but on the lighter side.

[PinyonJuniper5]

I’ve had some time to really rally on these boots since fixing the walk mode (the second time). Two full days skiing bumps and jumps at Alta, one powder day at Grand Targhee, and 10ish road laps on Teton pass and I haven’t had any more issues.

I REALLY like the way these boots ski. For the last few years, I have primarily skied in my light boots (Alien RS) as I really enjoy the efficiency they offer. That said, I still wanted a boot that I could both ski inbounds and also take on tours when I want better downhill performance than my Aliens offer. I am not very tolerant of boots that walk poorly. I previously had a Scarpa Freedom SL and then an Atomic Hawx XTD in this quiver slot, and was never very satisfied with either of those boots. While they skied fine, I was never very willing to walk for more than an hour in them.

To say the least, I am very impressed with the downhill performance of the Quattro. In my opinion, it is more progressive and supportive than both the Freedom and the Hawx. The weird tongue + overlap construction works well for my style of skiing (very upright and centered but still aggressive). I’ve had no issues skiing big skis in difficult snow both in and out of bounds. I also really enjoy skiing bumps, which can be especially hard in touring boots, but the Quattros seem up to the task so far.

They tour much better than my old Hawx (of course). And I’d say they are comparable in ROM and friction to the Maestrale or the Radical. The only boot that seems to rival the Quattro is the ZGPT, which I think has slightly less ROM and more friction. The Hoji Pro might come close in ROM and ski performance, but of course it is much heavier.

This seems to be a new generation of boot, and I think we will see a lot of pros riding these boots in the coming years. The fit is definitely low-volume, but if it works for you, I’d highly recommend them. I’m really hoping that the durability issues I saw earlier are not a common thing, and that this boot can truly be rallied as hard as it wants to.


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[MyNameIsAugustWest]

Thanks to everybody that gave updates. Hard to resist that 20% off. Going to head up to my local bootfitting shop and see if they can get me that deal. Just have to decide between the 120 and 130 flex.

[Turnem]

If you need a size 27.0, I have a pair for sale at over 30% off - BRAND NEW IN BOX NEVER WORN.

$550 SHIPPED and PayPal'd

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...87#post6764787

[MyNameIsAugustWest]

If you need a size 27.0, I have a pair for sale at over 30% off - BRAND NEW IN BOX NEVER WORN.

$550 SHIPPED and PayPal'd

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...87#post6764787

Yep, saw your listing...sadly, I need the 27.5/28.