Rossignol Black Ops?

[noslow]

Similar to the Sender Ti construction but hoping it feels more substantial like the Squad in the wider width. Add some more playfulness compared to the Sender Ti and should be a decent ski.

Was more hoping they just make the BO 118 narrower with a 190cm plus length option and call it a day.

[kid-kapow]

my key take away is that I prefer Dynastar PR-OTOs over BO118s.

While their weights are pretty comparable the lower swing weight of the PR-OTO makes them feel more nimble to me, and I get on better with them a +1.5 than the BO118s at -3.

I only have a few runs on both this season, but I really, really like how PR-OTOs ski. So loose, yet quite stable.

from ns:

[Bandit Man]

my key take away is that I prefer Dynastar PR-OTOs over BO118s.

While their weights are pretty comparable the lower swing weight of the PR-OTO makes them feel more nimble to me, and I get on better with them a +1.5 than the BO118s at -3.

I only have a few runs on both this season, but I really, really like how PR-OTOs ski. So loose, yet quite stable.

from ns:

Kid - I appreciate your take here. I have some PR-OTOs I have yet to ski I took the BO118's out most recently since the conditions from the last storm was deep and heavy and them are supposed to thrive in that setting. I look forward to doing my own comparison, as you get me excited to try the Dynastars.

Also, I don't care about the BO110 vs Sender 110 thing. I like the rocker profile I see in that photo. Seems close to an Enforcer 110 shape with closer to the BO layup. Could be a good ski if the tips aren't too soft. Looking forward to user reviews when they are released over the next few weeks.

[kid-kapow]

Kid - I appreciate your take here. I have some PR-OTOs I have yet to ski I took the BO118's out most recently since the conditions from the last storm was deep and heavy and them are supposed to thrive in that setting. I look forward to doing my own comparison, as you get me excited to try the Dynastars.

Sorry for the thread drift, but M-Free 118s are freaking great. I like to think of them as a BG that is better on groomers and more carvable in light snow, but more work than BGs in dense snow. The tails on the PR-OTOs were a bit too much for me today with shot legs and having grown accustomed to the effortless pivoting machines that is the 16/17 BG. I think my PR-OTOs might benefit from a base grind.

I will try the BO118s a few runs tomorrow in what should be prime BO118 conditions.

[noslow]

Makes sense that the MFree 118 would be the “in between” ski of the more tapered, looser BG and the minimal taper, more carvy BO 118. The tails of the MFree 118 should be more planted than the BG but if it’s WAY different than maybe something is up on the tune. Check that the base is flat(not edge high) and that the base bevel is uniform tip to tail.

My BO 118 were base high so would have been super nervous to ski and like skiing on marbles. Stone grind solved that but the edges and sidewalls were also very inconsistent and coarse. One of the worst factory tunes I’ve seen on new skis.

[fbw360]

bandit or kid-kapow if you do end up doing a catch 'n release for your Black ops 118s i'd be very interested. Went for the shorty pair on a good price 2 years ago but I think I really should've gone for the 186 :/ got blinded by the savings.

-2 from rec per the blister rec was spot on in my experience as well.

[kid-kapow]

kid-kapow if you do end up doing a catch 'n release for your Black ops 118s i'd be very interested.

Sorry, already sold them.

I posted this in the Squad-thread, but might as well post it here as well as they might be BO110s

[bamboocoreONLY]

Should have 3 pairs of 184cm sender free 110's available for purchase in the shop come early february. Lemme know if any of you guys want a pair!

[noslow]

Saw this listing of mint BO 118 listed on KSL.com(SLC) with Attack2 14 for $550 in case anyone is looking!

https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/70668691

[kid-kapow]

supposedly the new BO... errr Sender110 is amazing. I talked to a shop guy who are 3 days in on a demo pair and he freaking loved them. Loose and easy to ski in good snow and on piste, yet able to charge / do massive GS turns at mach schnell.

He interestingly did not love MF108 182s, stating that he felt their tails were more present - an observation I found particularly interesting seeing how I love MF108s. As such, more traditional skiers who like to drive their ski might be better of with the Senders compared to MFs.

They also speculated on how the next step was to kill off thee BO name and introduce Sender100s and 120s for what 2025? since BO98s and 118s carry over unchanged for 2024. So changes are a-coming.

[Bandit Man]

Names aside, I'm really intrigued by the Sender 110. There really is something I like about that BO118/Sender Squad feel and performance in a more all-mtn friendly package. Could also be an interesting alternative to those who feel the MF108 is not damp enough/stable enough for their liking.

[kid-kapow]

yeah, for sure. I think it is SkiEssentials who mention BO98s as a kind of late bloomer, meaning that they see that more and more different kinds of skiers get on the from year to year and that lots of folks seem to be enjoying them - not just the harder charging freestyle crowd that they originally were designed for. BO118s will still arguably be more of a specialist ski due to their width (if not on here than in the real world outside of TGR sized quivers), which makes the new 110 so damned interesting.

I prefer MFs for their looser approach and less turny (ability to reeally lay into them without the arc necessairly getting tighter / want to drag you into a turn) nature, especially on harder snow (even if I preferred BO118 to 98s - less camber, more rockeer/splay). As such, it makes a ton of sense to me that more traditional skiers will get on fabolously with the various BOs, if they can adjust to the tails and progressive mount point. High swing weight seems to be a "feature" of a lot of directional skis, so less of an issue. They way I ski fits better with MFs

I must admit to being very impressed with Rossignol's moves in re-designing their lineup post S7s - they make a fair few skis that are really, really interesting imho.

[mr_pretzel]

Marcus Goguen just won jr FWT on the new BO110 and he’s a big sender squad fan. I’m super excited for these!

I’d say the BO98 doesn’t really fit in with the 118. It just feels like a wider park ski, I wasn’t remotely impressed when I tried them years ago.

[Jongle]

The thing that concerns me about the Sender 110 is that it has “air tip technology”… which I associate more with the Soul 7 than the BO118 or Sender Squad. Much of the BO118’s magic is in those fat, heavy tips.

[noslow]

Finally heard from some people on Newschoolers with their hands on the Sender Free 110 and they said the weight was 2200gr on the 184cm and 2350gr on the 191cm which is around where I was guessing.

Out on my new to me 186cm Blackops 118 mounted -2.5cm behind rec(-5cm total) today in some heavy 6” of fresh that tracked out quickly. Felt instantly comfortable on them and have a very similar, carvy feel to all my 21 CT skis. Didn’t find they skied heavy at all. Not enough coverage in the East yet to try glades out but skied some soft bumps and felt good there. Seem very versatile and anxious to get on them again.

[mr_pretzel]

Finally heard from some people on Newschoolers with their hands on the Sender Free 110 and they said the weight was 2200gr on the 184cm and 2350gr on the 191cm which is around where I was guessing.

Out on my new to me 186cm Blackops 118 mounted -2.5cm behind rec(-5cm total) today in some heavy 6” of fresh that tracked out quickly. Felt instantly comfortable on them and have a very similar, carvy feel to all my 21 CT skis. Didn’t find they skied heavy at all. Not enough coverage in the East yet to try glades out but skied some soft bumps and felt good there. Seem very versatile and anxious to get on them again.

Fuck yeah! Those 191s are going to truck! Im guessing the rec mount is -4 based on what I saw on NS.
This is 100% a blackops ski, not a sender.

While I’m theoretically opposed to the airtip, the ones on the sender ti aren’t noticeable and not soul 7 honeycomb like at all, so I’ll stay reserved. Lots of other brands use light tip spacers too, 4frnt, etc.

[noslow]

Blister Luke just responded on NS about the Sender 110 Free-

“Definitely not light, and for anyone who's worried about Air Tip, don't. The swing weight isn't as hefty as the 118, but that seems more due to the fact that it's simply not quite as heavy. Unlike many Air Tip skis, the Sender Free 110 doesn't have a huge drop off in stiffness once you reach that part of the ski. It's pretty dang strong throughout, actually stiffer through the tips and tails than the 118. If it didn't have the little transparent part in the base, I'd never guess it had that honeycomb insert (in a good way).

It should really be called a BO 110, but I think Senders just sell more, and I'm guessing all their freeride people will (continue to) be on it. It's like a mix between the BO 118 and Sender Ti / Sender 106Ti+, but much more of a 118 than a Sender. Mostly it just has (most of) the edge hold of the Sender Ti and isn't quite as ultra-damp / planted as the 118, but it definitely smooths things out better than the Sender Ti, and it's designed around a way more centered mount point than the other Senders (but you can still drive it). It's cool.”

And yes, -4cm mount point on it with a +2cm Progressive and -2cm Directional line too it looks like.

[XtrPickels]

Has anyone had good luck with mounting far behind the line?
I picked a pair of BO118s for cheap locally. Ideally, I like skis in the -7 to -9 range which would put me 5 to 7cm behind the line.

[mr_pretzel]

Has anyone had good luck with mounting far behind the line?
I picked a pair of BO118s for cheap locally. Ideally, I like skis in the -7 to -9 range which would put me 5 to 7cm behind the line.

-3 form rec is as far as I would go. You’ll get too far into the tail rocker if you go much further.

[kid-kapow]

Limited release graphic (?) Sender Free 110 incoming in....

Rossi's alpine category manager, Jake Stevens, mentioned in the 22/23 ski lineup interview over at Blister that they had several, yet to be released graphics for the BlackOps line aka Sender Frees. Could this be one of them? Or is it "just" Max + sharpie = the above personalized graphic?

[Bandit Man]

SkiEssentials currently has last year’s Sender Ti for $359 (187-cm only)

https://www.skiessentials.com/2022-r...r-ti-skis.html

[cocoapuff]

Looks like the Sender Free 110 is cleaning up on the FWT

[mr_pretzel]

Shop buddy gave me some deets on the 191 free 110:

- Definitely a twintip like the BO118, not a sender
- 141-111-134mm, 22M radius (He said they look a bit straighter than 22 in his opinion)
- 189cm straight pull
- Rec mount at -3.5 from tc, also a directional line for -2 from that.
- 2360g +- 20g
- Hand flex is even and quite stout, flex with more pop than the BO118 and Squad, similar to the old sickle he dared say.

These look pretty fucking awesome in my book. Smaller squad for those who want one in the 184 and a slightly more easy going squad in the big size for more playful skiing.

Now the question is where to mount hmm. -5cm from tc is the magic on the BO118 and sickle, could work out pretty good here aswell.

[Bushwacka]

Shop buddy gave me some deets on the 191 free 110:

- 141-111-134mm, 22M radius (He said they look a bit straighter than 22 in his opinion)
- 189cm straight pull
- Rec mount at -3.5 from tc, also a directional line for -2 from that.
- 2360g +- 20g
- Hand flex is even and quite stout, flex with more pop than the BO118 and Squad, similar to the old sickle he dared say.

These look pretty fucking awesome in my book. Smaller squad for those who want one in the 184 and a slightly more easy going squad in the big size for more playful skiing.

Now the question is where to mount hmm. -5cm is the magic on the BO118 and sickle, could work out pretty good here aswell.

-5 from tc? or -5 from -5 from the directional point?

[mr_pretzel]

-5 from tc? or -5 from -5 from the directional point?

Tc