Where are the WNDR reviews?

[tang]

A vital 90 (say 1700 ish grams) reverse camber would be unique and hard to resist

[ASmileyFace]

WNDR released their new Intention 108 today. Here. Looks like they changed up the lengths to 6cm increases, with a 182, 188 and 194 in TGR sizes. Other changes are a slightly stiffer flex profile, longer turn radius, small weight decrease, and a new binding plate that they claim has similar retention strength to inserts.

Anyone got any time on the new reverse camber 188 version? Going to need a new daily driver touring ski next season and the old 110 185cm reverse camber was on my short list.

[robnow]

I think this new Intention 108 looks like a nice contender for a DD touring ski. The 110s would come in through our shop but felt too soft IMO.

What does Blister have to say? https://blisterreview.com/flash-revi...-intention-108

[GoSlowGoFar]

Bump, anyone tried a reverse camber 108? Consolidating the skinnier side of the backcountry quiver to a single ski. 187 Protest is my mid winter pow ski, looking for something else to fill the all other days/spring category. Or would you go Vital reverse camber? Tahoe/Sierra snowpack mostly, some Wasatch and Teton trips.

[benk]

Bump, anyone tried a reverse camber 108? Consolidating the skinnier side of the backcountry quiver to a single ski. 187 Protest is my mid winter pow ski, looking for something else to fill the all other days/spring category. Or would you go Vital reverse camber? Tahoe/Sierra snowpack mostly, some Wasatch and Teton trips.

I was on a 192 108 RC for a couple years and liked the shape and construction but they were too light for a daily driver in wet snow, seemed to deflect more than I’m used to. I got along much better with the old Dynafit Chugach with metal layup and have since moved back ON3P BG110

[GoSlowGoFar]

I was on a 192 108 RC for a couple years and liked the shape and construction but they were too light for a daily driver in wet snow, seemed to deflect more than I’m used to. I got along much better with the old Dynafit Chugach with metal layup and have since moved back ON3P BG110

For backcountry use? And I thought the 108 was “new” for this season, essentially an updated 110.

[rpearce1475]

Not a ski but I own and have around now 3 months time on WNDR's splitboard, the Belle Tour. I like it but don't love it, the touring brackets are placed pretty far back on the split skis which makes it very nose heavy, especially annoying when doing kick turns in soft snow as you have to really exaggerate the hip lift and kick to keep the tips from burying. Also the split halves are already now not meshing together as well as new after just 3 months. The pluses are it has good uphill grip and drive and rides in soft/deep snow much better than one would expect given the shorter overall length. I've decided to relegate it to my powder/trees/low angle board as it excels in that but isn't super great/stable on steeper/higher speed stuff. Durability seems very good so far.

[benk]

For backcountry use? And I thought the 108 was “new” for this season, essentially an updated 110.

Sorry, it was the 2020 model, 110 Intention RC

[GoSlowGoFar]

Sorry, it was the 2020 model, 110 Intention RC

All good, Blister seems to think they’d ski very similar.

Any other Vital 100 Reverse Camber reviews in the TGR world? Juggling between it and the Raven and leaning towards the Vital.

[Arctos Guides]

I’ve been skiing the Intention 108 188cm reverse camber for the past ten days or so and I’ve been really impressed so far. It’s light enough for long tours, yet skis like a real ski. Damp, playful and energetic are words that come to mind. I’ve mainly been skiing it in powder 30-50cm ski penetration and in variable terrain from glades to open alpine and a bit of pillow popping. I enjoy it’s agility in tight spaces and also it’s stability under speed. I am pretty sure I’ll spend the majority of my season on these skis.

I skied a number of seasons on the Intention 110 191cm and 185 cm reverse cambers and really enjoyed them too. However I feel the 108 may be my new favourite. I’ve only skied on piste for one run, but it rode well, held an edge nicely and liked super g turns.

I’ve been skiing the Vital 100 190cm for low ski pen days and the 183cm camber for firm spring conditions and traverses. They are both fast turning carving mobiles.

[GoSlowGoFar]

Awesome, thanks for the input.

[tang]

Intrigued by the new Nocturn 88... looks cambered only, free-mo ski, 117-88-108, 1500 gr in 178 cm and all wood, wish that longer radius than 19m tho. Thats legit longer day bc light

[ASmileyFace]

Had a pair of the shorty Nocturn (I think they were even shorter than the 166cm size on the website) come through my shop towards the end of the season. They came out to around 1550g with ATK world cup bindings on them, but they were a prototype build according to the customer.

The build quality looked great and I have been meaning to ask the customer how her trip with them went. They were worried that the ski was too heavy for the intended purpose. It is basically a phat skimo design, but with a full wood build and no carbon. I'm not convinced they will sell many of these, but for the skier who hates how carbon skis feel but wants something reasonably lighter for long missions this will fill a hole in the quiver.

[Benneke10]

I think they make a reverse version of the Nocturn 88, I saw one of their athletes using it this spring. I am happy because as far as I know it is the lightest reverse camber ski you can buy new right now and get delivered, but I don't see any reason to own a 1500g 88mm wide ski. There are a lot of wider skis at the same weight available that ski very very well in all snow conditions.

[ASmileyFace]

I think they make a reverse version of the Nocturn 88, I saw one of their athletes using it this spring. I am happy because as far as I know it is the lightest reverse camber ski you can buy new right now and get delivered, but I don't see any reason to own a 1500g 88mm wide ski. There are a lot of wider skis at the same weight available that ski very very well in all snow conditions.

I am with you on that. It really needed to come in closer to 1250g at that waist width imo. The 1500g category is loaded with good skis right now and an 88mm ski just doesn't fill a need for most who are looking in that range. You can buy a Zero G 105 for the same price at that weight.

[Benneke10]

I am with you on that. It really needed to come in closer to 1250g at that waist width imo. The 1500g category is loaded with good skis right now and an 88mm ski just doesn't fill a need for most who are looking in that range. You can buy a Zero G 108 for the same price at that weight.

Yeesh.. that price! I can't imagine anyone buying these at $900. I had a spirited discussion with Matt and Pep last year when they were still prototyping them, and they don't like to make any compromises in downhill performance. I feel like dropping under ~95mm wide you are compromising performance in any backcountry snow condition, so if you're going skinny you might as well go light. Most people are never going to be skiing super fast on a skinny ski unless the snow is perfect, in which case you can get away with a light ski. There are some light skis that perform extremely well on the down like the Atomic UL85, so I could never justify carrying an extra 450g per ski if I'm not also getting a lot of extra width as well.

[tang]

Yeah, I kinda agree with the above. I've got a 1500 gr Countdown 104L that does pretty great in all conditions. I'd want to drop a decent bit of weight to go skinnier. But these prob work well for someone, and cool that there's a reverse version - prob punches above its weight and width in 1-2' of new snow

[TeleBeaver]

Bumping this up. Older models are on discount on WNDRs "last call" section of their site. Anyone skied the intention 110 as well as the Deathwish? My 2019 deathwishes are only 2000g/ski in 190cm, which seems similar to the advertised weight of the 192cm intention 110s. Looking for something a bit better in untracked snow, especially snow that has sat in the sun for an afternoon.

[Karl_H]

I was looking at the Nocturne, but I am pretty leery of wood skis with no fiberglass, carbon, or metal reinforcement. What kind of durability and impact resistance can you expect from these skis?

The only comparable skis that come to mind are the Volkl Blaze. They have a plate in the binding area and no reinforcement elsewhere. Anecdotal reports seem to suggest durability / impact resistance is poor relative to Volkl’s other skis.

[GoldenBC]

I haven’t seen any broken WNDRs in Golden and we have lots around here.

All the guides who get them on big discount love them.

Our tech said when you squeeze glue into one binding hole, the glue in the next hole will bubble. Low density core?

The Volkl blaze is the least durable ski I have ever seen. Non stop breaking last year with a low snow season.

[auvgeek]

I really like the Vital 100. I’m sad the new 98 has a much reduced turn radius and more traditional mount.

[mr_pretzel]

I really like the Vital 100. I’m sad the new 98 has a much reduced turn radius and more traditional mount.

Ah man thats a bummer, I don’t really see why you would by this at the offered weight then. The old radius allowed this ski to absolutely rip

[auvgeek]

Ah man thats a bummer, I don’t really see why you would by this at the offered weight then. The old radius allowed this ski to absolutely rip

100%. There are so many light skis with trad mount points and sub 20 m radius. The Vital 100 was unique and worth carrying a little extra weight.

I thought the tip could be a touch stiffer with more splay right at the end but otherwise that ski is sick.

[TeleBeaver]

Do we think those comments on the vital 100 vs 98 apply to intention 110 vs 108? Initially I was intrigued by the more directional mount of the 108, but the shorter radius makes me hesitate. For me it would also be 188cm 108 vs 192cm 110. My 190cm deathwishes have always felt like the correct size. Never too long, never too short (although I would like more tip in the deep, hence my desire for a more rearward mount). I ski deathwishes at -2 from rec and would probably do the same on the 110s, maybe -1 on the 108s.

[Phall]

Not sure if I had posted this or not, but I had a really good friend work there, and he left because he didn't trust the tech. He had a pair of skis he was going to give to another one of our friends but he "didn't want to subject him to these"

ymmv. I almost bit on the super deal earlier this fall.