Moment Skis Discussion

[MHSP1497]

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So downsizing ski length due to injury and picked these up cheap.
I would love to know the story on this colab…


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OK, as a 30-yr tech professional, those are dope AF. I need a pair of those…

[hick]

Those are awesome! Nice find!


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[Phall]

Still my favorite ski shape after all these years

186 Comi 09/10
190 WC 21/22
184 WC 108 22/23
190 WC 108 19/20

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I think you and I would get along well, fly gear, bull on the wall, bow, and moments.


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[$teezus]

Still my favorite ski shape after all these years

186 Comi 09/10
190 WC 21/22
184 WC 108 22/23
190 WC 108 19/20

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How much of a difference do you notice with the 19/20 core vs the newer cores?

[SnakeMagnet]

the 108 always had the same core, it was the fat cat that switched to poplar/ash from aspen/pine in 2021.

[mr_pretzel]

the 108 always had the same core, it was the fat cat that switched to poplar/ash from aspen/pine in 2021.

Pretty sure they used to be aspen/ash and are now poplar/ash.
Supposedly they haven't gained much weight, but my first round 190s weighed 2000gs each, supposed to be 2130g now.

[SnakeMagnet]

quite the change for not a single fuss to be made in any adspace they had..the weights advertised didn't really change either. Aspen is a variety of poplar to begin with..did they actually change anything?

Blister's '21 108 190 weighed 2100 and that's what was advertised, yours must have been quite light.

[noslow]

Knew the line got a bit heavier in 21 when they switched to ABS sidewalls and 7500 bases and they added the heavier core in the fat cat.
Then for 22 they went to larger(50gr heavier?) plastic spacers tip/tail to make them a touch more damp.

[Landob]

Question on WC101. I back read quite a few pages to only find about 1 or 2 comments on them specifically. Has anyone used it as a BC ski or a 50/50? May add cast to it later and have it pull double duty

[Going Coastal]

Wanting to get a ~100 waist ski for dry spells and spring conditions. Looking at specs the Commander 98 in 188 seems to meet a lot of what I want. WC 101s seem pretty straightforward, but I don't ski switch, only get airborne in firm snow by accident, and already have a BG110 for deeper days. So the Commanders being more directional seem on paper like they are more what I'm looking for.

How well do they ski small radius turns if you don't want to keep the gas on and just want to cruise groomers with the kids or some slower friends?

How well do they hold an edge when the night crew does the classic "groom slush at midnight before the temp drops to 10deg"

How are they in tight confines, trees, and bumps? I have some OG 194 Devastators if I want to get frustrated with too much ski, so not looking to just add more frustration.

Sorry for the novel, no demos around me and I dont trust the reviews where every ski they test is 5 star. Thanks!

[NorCalNomad]

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I would love to know the story on this colab…

I too really want to hear this story. And wonder if ON3P feels a little bummed that they didn't get the call as the more local ski maker to MS.

[scmartin69]

Wanting to get a ~100 waist ski for dry spells and spring conditions. Looking at specs the Commander 98 in 188 seems to meet a lot of what I want. WC 101s seem pretty straightforward, but I don't ski switch, only get airborne in firm snow by accident, and already have a BG110 for deeper days. So the Commanders being more directional seem on paper like they are more what I'm looking for.

How well do they ski small radius turns if you don't want to keep the gas on and just want to cruise groomers with the kids or some slower friends?

How well do they hold an edge when the night crew does the classic "groom slush at midnight before the temp drops to 10deg"

How are they in tight confines, trees, and bumps? I have some OG 194 Devastators if I want to get frustrated with too much ski, so not looking to just add more frustration.

Sorry for the novel, no demos around me and I dont trust the reviews where every ski they test is 5 star. Thanks!

Lotta ski for noodling around with the kids... Small radius turns require skill and energy. They're not punishing, but definitely give more back at higher speeds. I like them in the bumps, but they're the narrowest skis I own so there's that. Edge hold is decent for a 98mm waist with a long (ish) radius. I love mine, but I'm not sure these are the droids you're looking for.
They've been popping up for $350ish lately, so taking the plunge wouldn't be too expensive.

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[Jvhowube]

I have pairs of 2020 WCs and 2022 WC108s mounted on the line with pivots for my 306 BSL. I'm sizing down to 294, and wondering if I should move toes, heels, or both to stay on the line. I don't ski switch much so my gut says to move the toes back to end up being around -1cm and my brain is saying "you probably won't notice much of a difference" but I figured I'd ask you guys anyways.

[Phall]

Lots of prior chat in this thread about -1 being the go-to on the WC. I believe MC_Roon or SoulSkier has insight there.

[Going Coastal]

Lotta ski for noodling around with the kids... Small radius turns require skill and energy. They're not punishing, but definitely give more back at higher speeds. I like them in the bumps, but they're the narrowest skis I own so there's that. Edge hold is decent for a 98mm waist with a long (ish) radius. I love mine, but I'm not sure these are the droids you're looking for.
They've been popping up for $350ish lately, so taking the plunge wouldn't be too expensive.

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Main use case for these will be decent condition non-pow days, which I just assumed they would crush based on the build and shape.

Appreciate the reality check on other conditions and I will keep my eyes peeled on gear swap before I get to itchy and just buy new.

[meter-man]

I’ve got 188 PBJs, 188 C98s, and twin 10 year olds.

I like the PBJs better for skiing with the kids. More playful (but still stiff), great for popping and jibbing as much as possible, and skiing switch (which is fun if you suck at it, and wanna practice so your kids can join in the laughter).

If you wanna go slow (dear god, nooooo!), maybe go 182 W101s.

In terms of touring, depends on your local snowpack. I wouldn’t want to be on that narrow unless it was spring. Here in California with our terrible terrible Sierra Scement.


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[skiSilent_skiDeep]

I have pairs of 2020 WCs and 2022 WC108s mounted on the line with pivots for my 306 BSL. I'm sizing down to 294, and wondering if I should move toes, heels, or both to stay on the line. I don't ski switch much so my gut says to move the toes back to end up being around -1cm and my brain is saying "you probably won't notice much of a difference" but I figured I'd ask you guys anyways.

n+1
i tackled a similar question a couple of seasons ago by mounting a pair of 1st gen Wildcats with Griffon Schizos binders (-1.5 to +1.5).
I found that:
they have a large sweetspot
-1 was optimal for me while powder skiing (still enough tail support for landing, switch ski no prob on groomers back to lifts) and directional charge skiing in general
0 (rec line) was optimal for all-mountain freestyle in 3d snow and hardpack (more playful less chargey)
≥ +0.5 was no bueno for someone my height/weight on the 190s.

so for the majority of that season at snowbird i would start the pow day off at -1 and when (most) everything was tracked out by noon/afternoon i'd make a quick adjustment to 0 for more play/freestyle skiing for the rest of the day. and if i wanted to charge on non pow days id move them back to -1.

I'd recommend -1

[Going Coastal]

Cool. My kids are all older (14, 19, 20) and I unfortunatelu don't get to ski with them that often now between moving away for school and teenage girls being too cool to ski with dad. Lots of great ski memories from when they were younger though, and they get old too fast Enjoy while it lasts!

I'm definitely not looking to go slow, just looking for something thats less work than the 194 Devastators between storms.

For Ref: I'm 6ft3, 230lbs, skiing mostly in SE Alaska but occasionally get up to Alyeska. Get about 40 to 50 days/yr of lift serviced skiing, and I would say that 30+ of those days are storm days and Im going for the BGs or Devs. The other 10 days are a mix of post storm days with actual decent snow, bullet proof icy groomers, and the ultra rare sunny spring day. Maybe a 2 or 3 of those days I would be skiing with slower people. I would classify my ability as unremarkable, but I get in about 70 days/yr, been skiing for 30+yrs now, and I can keep up with most people.

I don't plan to use these for touring since I already have some 100mm MNC bindings and already have a 96mm AT setup anyway.

I think I may have just talked myself into something more like a WC101 since when I think about a good non-pow day its usually soft steeps and trees as much as ripping a groomer.

[scmartin69]

Cool. My kids are all older (14, 19, 20) and I unfortunatelu don't get to ski with them that often now between moving away for school and teenage girls being too cool to ski with dad. Lots of great ski memories from when they were younger though, and they get old too fast Enjoy while it lasts!

I'm definitely not looking to go slow, just looking for something thats less work than the 194 Devastators between storms.

For Ref: I'm 6ft3, 230lbs, skiing mostly in SE Alaska but occasionally get up to Alyeska. Get about 40 to 50 days/yr of lift serviced skiing, and I would say that 30+ of those days are storm days and Im going for the BGs or Devs. The other 10 days are a mix of post storm days with actual decent snow, bullet proof icy groomers, and the ultra rare sunny spring day. Maybe a 2 or 3 of those days I would be skiing with slower people. I would classify my ability as unremarkable, but I get in about 70 days/yr, been skiing for 30+yrs now, and I can keep up with most people.

I don't plan to use these for touring since I already have some 100mm MNC bindings and already have a 96mm AT setup anyway.

I think I may have just talked myself into something more like a WC101 since when I think about a good non-pow day its usually soft steeps and trees as much as ripping a groomer.

LOL... Sounds like you'd actually like the C98s then. Back to your regularly scheduled program.

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[Going Coastal]

Haha, thanks. C98 back in the lead. Lol

[scmartin69]

Haha, thanks. C98 back in the lead. Lol

https://reno.craigslist.org/spo/7555535810.html

Met this guy when I bought a pair of DW104s to ship to another Mag. I'm sure they're in great shape, he just sized down to the 182cm (he's not as big as us). I'm pretty sure he'd take $350.

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[Going Coastal]

Thanks for the tip. I'm leaning more towards just buying new from the factory, but I will definitely give it some thought.

[Huskier]

2022 WC108s...my gut says to move the toes back to end up being around -1cm

Add another vote for -1. If I were to do it over I might even go a little further, but I like a more directional mount...

[scmartin69]

I have my Bibbys at -1.5 due to hole conflict and they slay the chop.

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[Jvhowube]

I'd recommend -1

Add another vote for -1. If I were to do it over I might even go a little further, but I like a more directional mount...

I have my Bibbys at -1.5 due to hole conflict and they slay the chop.

Thanks guys. I'll move the toes back and see how they feel!