Truck Tire Time

**mattig** · 03-02-2022, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by ::: :::

i'm all for cheaper, but they seem to be similar price range
checking discount tire
falken a/t3w $275/ea
falken ht ht02HD $257/ea (on backorder)
michelin ltx a/t2 $252/ea
bfgoodrich all terrain T/A KO2 $259/ea

Unless LTX is updated from my tundra days, they're not 3PMSF. Nice quiet tire though.

My KO2s were fine on the tundra, but super squirrelly on the mountain compared to nokians (to be expected, I suppose).

I'd never checked out Duratrac, but that was probably the next one I would have tried.

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**::: :::** · 03-02-2022, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by mattig

Unless LTX is updated from my tundra days, they're not 3PMSF. Nice quiet tire though.

My KO2s were fine on the tundra, but super squirrelly on the mountain compared to nokians (to be expected, I suppose).

I'd never checked out Duratrac, but that was probably the next one I would have tried.

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3pmsf is important -- thx for that detail
squirrely not good

**jackattack** · 03-02-2022, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon3

Michelin LTX. Basically slightly more aggressive than a full highway tire, great in light snow, wear like iron.

Technically it says “AT” on the sidewall so you won’t get made fun of. Don’t get KO2 for the useage you describe.

Counterpoint: the LTX AT2 was the worst tire I ever experienced in PNW snow. It also felt like driving on marbles on east slope gravel roads. Long wearing for sure because they’re hard AF. Fine highway tires. I replaced them long before they were worn out with something a little softer with lugs. 2015 F250 diesel

There are a lot of great tires out there.

Last year I put 35k of mixed driving in an overloaded half ton work truck on a pair of E-rated Goodyear ultraterrains. That will be my next tire on my personal truck. It’ll wear faster than the ltx.

**snowaddict91** · 03-02-2022, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by jackattack

Counterpoint: the LTX AT2 was the worst tire I ever experienced in PNW snow. It also felt like driving on marbles on east slope gravel roads. Long wearing for sure because they’re hard AF. Fine highway tires. I replaced them long before they were worn out with something a little softer with lugs. 2015 F250 diesel

There are a lot of great tires out there.

Last year I put 35k of mixed driving in an overloaded half ton work truck on a pair of E-rated Goodyear ultraterrains. That will be my next tire on my personal truck. It’ll wear faster than the ltx.

Were your LTXs OEM tires? They are often a different compound.

I've got ~40k on my General Grabber A/Txs on a heavy F150. 5k of towing and they still have ~7/32nds left. Snow performance has dropped off a bit but still acceptable and they have stayed fairly quiet. 3PMSF.

**jackattack** · 03-02-2022, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by snowaddict91

Were your LTXs OEM tires? They are often a different compound.

They were oem. I’m generally under the impression oem compounds are softer, not harder but maybe that’s not the case here. I hated them enough that every time they get mentioned I have to shit on them.

**Danno** · 03-02-2022, 07:03 PM

On my Sequoia I have had General Grabber AT2s and Hankook Dynapro ATMs. Both with the snowflake rating. Both wore ok, not great. Both were great in the snow for the first couple of years, then performance dropped off. I feel like the Dynapros have been better in snow at the tail end of their life compared to the Grabbers. Dynapro should be a budget option compared to the other tires mentioned. I would consider buying them again.

**klauss** · 03-02-2022, 07:07 PM

check the price on GOODYEAR WRANGLER ULTRATERRAIN AT in your size and E rate. It's a discount tire exclusive. 3PMSF. At the time I purchased they were a good value compared to a duratrac/BFG/etc. Tread is a bit more road friendly than a duratrac. Ours have no noticeable road noise.

**Rideski** · 03-02-2022, 08:20 PM

^ based on tread I'd wager that tire would suck on ice.

(Not the artist formerly known as Iceman)

**2FUNKY** · 03-02-2022, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Rideski

^ based on tread I'd wager that tire would suck on ice.

(Not the artist formerly known as Iceman)

Unless studded all tires suck on ice. Some just a tiny bit less than others.

**jackattack** · 03-02-2022, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Rideski

^ based on tread I'd wager that tire would suck on ice.

(Not the artist formerly known as Iceman)

Ice is not a criteria.

Originally Posted by ::: :::

as we approach april 1, i'm thinking about all seasons as my previous ones are close enough to done
3/4ton mercan long bed crew 4x
more highway miles than gravel
but gravel features heavily for destinations
zero truly off-road/wheeling
would like MS rating to handle spring mountain access after stud season is over but snow season persists

reccos?
just get KO2s?

**skaredshtles** · 03-02-2022, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by jackattack

They were oem. I’m generally under the impression oem compounds are softer, not harder but maybe that’s not the case here. I hated them enough that every time they get mentioned I have to shit on them.

This is interesting... I went through 2 sets of LTX's on my F-150 and they were quite good in snow (and gravel, for that matter).

I'm thinking the OEM must be different.

**altacoup** · 03-02-2022, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by klauss

check the price on GOODYEAR WRANGLER ULTRATERRAIN AT in your size and E rate. It's a discount tire exclusive. 3PMSF. At the time I purchased they were a good value compared to a duratrac/BFG/etc. Tread is a bit more road friendly than a duratrac. Ours have no noticeable road noise.

I’ve got these tires on my truck. They’ve worked as good in snow as the hakkapaliittaas on our Subaru. Quite on the road and haven’t noticed worse mpg. Very impressed

**::: :::** · 03-02-2022, 10:16 PM

Surprisingly, I’m actually seeing stocked tires online. I was expecting a bunch of “out of stock” notices

**jackattack** · 03-02-2022, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

This is interesting... I went through 2 sets of LTX's on my F-150 and they were quite good in snow (and gravel, for that matter).

I'm thinking the OEM must be different.

F150 has a different pressure spec and load rating than a 1 ton. Were you running an e-rated tire or a lower weight range? 60-80 psi? If not, you were on different tires with the same-ish tread.

**PeachesNCream** · 03-03-2022, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by ::: :::

i'm all for cheaper, but they seem to be similar price range
checking discount tire
falken a/t3w $275/ea
falken ht ht02HD $257/ea (on backorder)
michelin ltx a/t2 $252/ea
bfgoodrich all terrain T/A KO2 $259/ea

Hmm, prices much have changed since a couple years ago. I spent some time on the f150 forums cause I figured they knew truck tires. It seemed like wildpeaks were a lot people's favorites along with duratracs, but duratracs came at a more premium price (at least then).

also get them siped if you plan on spending time on snow/ice

**::: :::** · 03-03-2022, 09:42 AM

Yeah, it seems pricing in all sorts of markets seems to have gone to seller’s markets

**GBB** · 03-03-2022, 11:54 AM

I went through this process not too long ago. Ended up with General Grabber ATX after doing way too much research.

**Buzzworthy** · 03-03-2022, 12:36 PM

Several months ago went through this with my Tundra. Wildpeaks ftw!

Used in Utah on all kinds of conditions and seemed pretty good. Then went to Montana and after 1100 miles of crazy conditions they moved from pretty good to the best tires I’ve ever had. -10 degree temps, snow, wet it didn’t matter. Solid damn tire.

They have pricing for the heavier load tires which seem to be in the $275 range. I paid less with the regular duty tires. Discount Tire online purchase took 10% off. Out the door for just over a grand.

Anyone thinking KO2, go Wildpeak. You’ll be very happy.

**skaredshtles** · 03-03-2022, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by jackattack

F150 has a different pressure spec and load rating than a 1 ton. Were you running an e-rated tire or a lower weight range? 60-80 psi? If not, you were on different tires with the same-ish tread.

Yeah - these def weren't E-rated. This is the model:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...XAT2&tab=Sizes

Run at 35psi.

So yeah - def different tires...

**Rideski** · 03-03-2022, 01:45 PM

Where are people buying a second set of wheels at? 4wheel parts? Tire rack?

**skaredshtles** · 03-03-2022, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rideski

Where are people buying a second set of wheels at? 4wheel parts? Tire rack?

I've done Tire Rack as well as picking up a set off Craigslist. The Craigslist route is *much* cheaper...

**skaredshtles** · 03-03-2022, 01:54 PM

On a related note - are the rims for mid-90's Dodge pickups the same as mid-90's Dodge full size vans? My kid bought himself an old van and is looking to get a 2nd set for winter, and it would be nice to find some cheap old rims to mount up some studded snows on...

**Falcon3** · 03-03-2022, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

On a related note - are the rims for mid-90's Dodge pickups the same as mid-90's Dodge full size vans? My kid bought himself an old van and is looking to get a 2nd set for winter, and it would be nice to find some cheap old rims to mount up some studded snows on...

This site will show you what bolt pattern/offset/diameter came stock on almost any vehicle. You can match up years by comparing bolt pattern and offset

https://www.wheel-size.com

**skaredshtles** · 03-03-2022, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon3

This site will show you what bolt pattern/offset/diameter came stock on almost any vehicle. You can match up years by comparing bolt pattern and offset

https://www.wheel-size.com

Thanks for that... looks like the rims are different for the van, as opposed to a similar aged pickup...

**snowaddict91** · 03-03-2022, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

On a related note - are the rims for mid-90's Dodge pickups the same as mid-90's Dodge full size vans? My kid bought himself an old van and is looking to get a 2nd set for winter, and it would be nice to find some cheap old rims to mount up some studded snows on...

You're gonna stop making Subaru jokes when you find out about the quality of 90's Chrysler engineering.