Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[bennymac]

Remember when Bunny was going off on zero omicron deaths? That’s is just a cold or flu? Yeah. We see this kinda graph every winter with colds and the flu.

[Benny Profane]

Are those deaths from Omicron? Lingering Delta? Covid at all? Just says deaths during Omicron. People die. Especially old, fat people with heart disease and cancer and diabetes. And, well, just from being old. There's a shit ton of old people today. Most in history. Eventually, they die.

[jono]

There's a shit ton of old people today. Most in history. Eventually, they die.

Especially in Japan.

[SumJongGuy]

Are those deaths from Omicron? Lingering Delta? Covid at all? Just says deaths during Omicron. People die. Especially old, fat people with heart disease and cancer and diabetes. And, well, just from being old. There's a shit ton of old people today. Most in history. Eventually, they die.

Well the chart seems to suggest that it went from less than 10 per 100K to over 30 per 100K between the beginning of December and end of January. Are there three times as many fat old people per capita today as there were at the beginning of December? It's pretty clear that there are at least three times as many people with COVID. so...

[old goat]

Especially in Japan.

More old people in Europe than the US as well.
Old people have a right to live. Fat people have a right to live. Diabetics have a right to live. But Benny's right to ski in Italy is more important.

[paulster2626]

Are those deaths from Omicron? Lingering Delta? Covid at all? Just says deaths during Omicron. People die. Especially old, fat people with heart disease and cancer and diabetes. And, well, just from being old. There's a shit ton of old people today. Most in history. Eventually, they die.

Reading this brought me back to June 2020.

So when can we hear you on the Joe Rogan podcast?

[altasnob]

Remember when Bunny was going off on zero omicron deaths? That’s is just a cold or flu? Yeah. We see this kinda graph every winter with colds and the flu.

What, what, what? Sweden is tied with the lock down queen Australia? Well, Australia isn't locked down anymore so not too surprising. Lots of other interesting graphs from that article. God damn America is fat. Canadians need to lay off the Tim Horton's too:




I am also surprised at Canada's very high vaccination rate compared to Europe. I think it is because they are so desperate to not be American.

[The Tortoise]

Naw, we just didn't buy into the bullshit (as much) and had a pretty effective procurement process and distribution system.

[ex-powderbroker]

Didn't only one province of Australia have to shut down temporarily during Omicron? It's pretty apples to apples for the period given.

Canada is kicking ass, fuck the truckers.

[The AD]

Japan's death numbers are really impressive considering they have far and away the highest percentage of people over 65. The U.S. is doing the worst due to our combination of a high percentage of people not vaxxed and with comorbidities.

[SumJongGuy]

Japan's death numbers are really impressive considering they have far and away the highest percentage of people over 65. The U.S. is doing the worst due to our combination of a high percentage of people not vaxxed and with comorbidities.

And they live, work, and play packed together like sardines.. Can't be the masks right??

[altasnob]

Japan's death numbers are really impressive considering they have far and away the highest percentage of people over 65. The U.S. is doing the worst due to our combination of a high percentage of people not vaxxed and with comorbidities.

4% obesity compared to 36% in US. People will argue masks, and Japan is much better at wearing masks, but they have been cramming into crowded Ramen restaurants throughout the pandemic and still have these amazing numbers.

[Percy Rideout]

To clarify what I said earlier--when we canceled surgery because the hospital was full with flu or for some other reason, it wasn't every hospital in town, let alone hospitals all over the state, region, or country and it lasted at most a 2-3 days and usually just one. The point that there isn't a lot of excess capacity in hospitals is valid, but there's enough capacity to handle the load in even a bad flu season with only minor inconvenience. That is not true with covid. And HCW's don't leave because of the stress of a bad flu season.

Appreciate the clarification.

We have had hundreds of pandemics over the course of human history. Preparing our healthcare system for the inevitable next pandemic should have been a top priority from a hospital capacity, funding, and staffing standpoint. Wouldn't this be a top 3 topic among hospital administrators, government, and the private sector?

There was even a recent example. 1968-69 Hong Kong Flu killed 1-4 million globally, and over 100,000 Americans.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/why-li...demic-of-1969/

Some of you are old enough to remember this pandemic. It barely made news, but were hospitals at capacity in 1969, too?

Increasing ICU capacity doesn't happen overnight, but we had 50+ years of not preparing for the next pandemic to hem and haw over, and here we are!

[::: :::]

For clarity, you are in favor of increasing regulations on a trillion dollar industry?

Somehow, I don’t think the hospital lobby is seeing eye to eye on your idea…

How else could they reduce staffing? Avoid reducing shift lengths? Divide the skill tasks & increase administrative overhead? Minimize real estate investments? Reduce care while increasing billing? And ultimately prevent single payer health care? Etc…

[Kinnikinnick]

Appreciate the clarification.

We have had hundreds of pandemics over the course of human history. Preparing our healthcare system for the inevitable next pandemic should have been a top priority from a hospital capacity, funding, and staffing standpoint. Wouldn't this be a top 3 topic among hospital administrators, government, and the private sector?

There was even a recent example. 1968-69 Hong Kong Flu killed 1-4 million globally, and over 100,000 Americans.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/why-li...demic-of-1969/

Some of you are old enough to remember this pandemic. It barely made news, but were hospitals at capacity in 1969, too?

Increasing ICU capacity doesn't happen overnight, but we had 50+ years of not preparing for the next pandemic to hem and haw over, and here we are!

Good lord.

The Hong Kong flu killed an estimated 30-100k in the usa over 18+ months. Covid has killed 880k in the USA. Thats on the order of 10x as many deaths so not a comparable event.

‘There’s a 100’ wave coming, get out!’

‘Bahhh, that aint that much! back in ‘69 we had a ten foot wave’

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[MagnificentUnicorn]

respectfully, Summer, a bed in a hallway is not a "hospital bed" - a 'hospital bed' is in an equipped patient care space.
Simply bringing more beds into a hospital does not create more hospitalization capacity - And a crucial element of hospital care is medical care staffing.
from my perspective, just bringing more beds into a hospital compounds a problem. There are probably situations where it is the best that can be done ( like natural disasters ( I would be curious the circumstance under which the hospital goat was at put ventilators in non-medical areas... ))
... there are probably situations where it is the best that can be done, but that's not covid in 2022.

looking forward to the next pathologic variant ( or the next pandemic ).
pretty-much out of Patience for the Unvaccinated.

beds in a hospital do not equal "hospital beds ( / hospitalization care. ) "

thanks for listening. skiJ

I think your point is the gist of Summer’s post

The situation at his mate’s hospital isn’t much different than at my hospital. We are holding people in the ER and PACU that need a real bed but there’s no rooms. It’s a little better this week but this time of year is always difficult and more so when compounded by Covid
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[dunfree]

Appreciate the clarification.

We have had hundreds of pandemics over the course of human history. Preparing our healthcare system for the inevitable next pandemic should have been a top priority from a hospital capacity, funding, and staffing standpoint. Wouldn't this be a top 3 topic among hospital administrators, government, and the private sector?

There was even a recent example. 1968-69 Hong Kong Flu killed 1-4 million globally, and over 100,000 Americans.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/why-li...demic-of-1969/

Some of you are old enough to remember this pandemic. It barely made news, but were hospitals at capacity in 1969, too?

Increasing ICU capacity doesn't happen overnight, but we had 50+ years of not preparing for the next pandemic to hem and haw over, and here we are!

The us had 7.9 hospital beds per thousand people in 1970, 2.87 per thousand people in 2017.

What’s the next shitposter talking point you gonna truck out, fabulist?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Appreciate the clarification.

We have had hundreds of pandemics over the course of human history. Preparing our healthcare system for the inevitable next pandemic should have been a top priority from a hospital capacity, funding, and staffing standpoint. Wouldn't this be a top 3 topic among hospital administrators, government, and the private sector?

There was even a recent example. 1968-69 Hong Kong Flu killed 1-4 million globally, and over 100,000 Americans.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/why-li...demic-of-1969/

Some of you are old enough to remember this pandemic. It barely made news, but were hospitals at capacity in 1969, too?

Increasing ICU capacity doesn't happen overnight, but we had 50+ years of not preparing for the next pandemic to hem and haw over, and here we are!

So you’re advocating for universal healthcare/Medicare for all? That’s what it would take to achieve what you’re talking about. In the current market based healthcare system having any kind of reserve for a pandemic or other natural disaster is frowned upon.


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[riser4]

So I just got a memberberry. If you recall earlier in this thread, I returned from Spain on March 2, 2020. By March 5th I was sick and fever posting in here. I'm now remembering that on one of our last days in Madrid there were these two gentlemen on the Metro that were hacking and sneezing a lot. They looked and sounded Japanese. I can't tell with any certainty and I didn't ask. We tried to move away in the crowded train. They weren't masked. Nobody was masked at that point.

[NakedShorts]

If Covid is SO SERIOUS why not try Ivermectin?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

If Covid is SO SERIOUS why not try Ivermectin?

Why don’t we try all the drugs in the formulary? I wonder if it’s because we know the mechanism of how the drugs work and there efficacy for different diseases?

That’s really how drugs work don’t you know, just whip up random compounds and give them to people for whatever ails them. There’s no research into bio physiology and how different compounds interact on a cellular level.

What a moron


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[jono]

Be fair. Ivermectin does work super well against worms and worms do work pretty well at helping people have a bad time with COVID. Maybe he just thinks he has worms. Maybe there was a trip to India. Or Appalachia. It's possible.

[The AD]

If Covid is SO SERIOUS why not try Ivermectin?

To throw it back at the anti-vax contingent, if Covid is so serious why not try getting vaccinated? Seems like something that was actually designed from the get-go to prevent Covid, and has been now administered to billions of people has a better chance of being effective than simply spitballing some drug designed for a completely different purpose.

[Percy Rideout]

So you’re advocating for universal healthcare/Medicare for all? That’s what it would take to achieve what you’re talking about. In the current market based healthcare system having any kind of reserve for a pandemic or other natural disaster is frowned upon.


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If that's what it takes, then yes. We already pay the most in the developed world for healthcare, why not prepare ourselves for the inevitable?

Death, taxes, and pandemics are the only certainties in life. (Edit to add natural disasters to that list).

Your last sentence should irk every American taxpayer.

[dunfree]

If Covid is SO SERIOUS why not try Ivermectin?

because I don’t have worms?