To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[seano732]

Looking in the comments section of online news is like peering into a pit toilet the morning after a camping holiday. What did you expect to see?

Sig worthy……

[rideit]

Looking in the comments section of online news is like peering into a pit toilet the morning after a camping holiday. What did you expect to see?

Why, it’s just like listening to a Kanye album!

[bennymac]

Why, it’s just like listening to a Kanye album!

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy?

[PB]

They stick cocaine up their butts in Austria? Why?

With patches no less; seems like suppositories would feel better.

[riser4]

Ask Brett Kavanaugh. Pretty sure he did it in collegge

Boof it!

[ill-advised strategy]

Looking in the comments section of online news is like peering into a pit toilet the morning after a camping holiday. What did you expect to see?

I think my dumb instinct was like “huh, I wonder what people have to say about this”

[lucknau]

My little brother (41 years old), who runs 5 miles a day, lifts weights, and works a legit labor job as a new construction plumber got a severe case. He’s the healthiest person I know (or he was the healthiest person I knew), and he experienced the whole list of severe symptoms. The only reason his macho dumb ass didn’t die of oxygen deprivation is that he’s married to an ER nurse and she dragged him to the ICU in the middle of the night when he was literally blue in the face. He was so fucked up that three days later I was talking to him on the phone and he almost passed out when he took the oxygen tube out for 20 seconds to blow his nose. It’s nine months later and he still can’t walk across a room without getting winded.

Edit:
Heh. Forgot, the reason I brought that up is that most of the people I work with are the comments section of the online news. 95% of them either still think it’s a conspiracy or are just willing to play the odds. No shit, only about 1 in 20 of us are vaxed, and they’re all starting to get the Delta variant. Still, they refuse to wear masks or social distance. Oregon missed the brunt of the contagion until now, but now we are right fucked. Just really hoping none of them die.

[krp8128]

I'm vaxxed, minimal side effects for a few hours and my cell reception has been great since.

Got exposed Thursday to a positive individual, not sure if they had been vaxxed or not, and I have no idea if it was the variant or OG covid.

So far I have no symptoms, but still pretty stressed about this. Test is (hopefully) tomorrow with the 3-5 day window recommendation per the CDC. With the holiday weekend a lot of test sites are closed.

I might take a couple fo the dog's dewormer pills, I think they are beef flavor.

[CascadeLuke]

My little brother (41 years old), who runs 5 miles a day, lifts weights, and works a legit labor job as a new construction plumber got a severe case. He’s the healthiest person I know (or he was the healthiest person I knew), and he experienced the whole list of severe symptoms. The only reason his macho dumb ass didn’t die of oxygen deprivation is that he’s married to an ER nurse and she dragged him to the ICU in the middle of the night when he was literally blue in the face. He was so fucked up that three days later I was talking to him on the phone and he almost passed out when he took the oxygen tube out for 20 seconds to blow his nose. It’s nine months later and he still can’t walk across a room without getting winded.

Edit:
Heh. Forgot, the reason I brought that up is that most of the people I work with are the comments section of the online news. 95% of them either still think it’s a conspiracy or are just willing to play the odds. No shit, only about 1 in 20 of us are vaxed, and they’re all starting to get the Delta variant. Still, they refuse to wear masks or social distance. Oregon missed the brunt of the contagion until now, but now we are right fucked. Just really hoping none of them die.

Damn, sorry your brother and fam are going through this. I too work with mostly vax hesitant and it pisses me off. I’m the one wearing a mask all the time (vaccinated) and they’re mostly not willing. With state mandates coming they’re now back to bitching about Inslee all time. This has really exposed who people are, to me.

[Game Over]

Reading this Oregonian piece just now a few things stuck out—

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavir...outputType=amp

They only gave the death rate for vaccinated so when I went to calculate the unvaccinated death rate I saw we are not counting kids—>

Oregon has 2.4 mill fully vaxed. Total pop is 5 mill. That’s not the 58% that is touted on every damn site—> it is actually 48% fully vaxed and they account for 22% of cases.

So please someone help me out-> If the 52% of non-vaxxed were vaxed and therefore had the same death rate of 22% the total death would only be around 1/2 of what it is now. Right? Wtf am I missing?

[k2skier112]

Reading this Oregonian piece just now a few things stuck out—

...that your troll brain is broken...

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Reading this Oregonian piece just now a few things stuck out—

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavir...outputType=amp

They only gave the death rate for vaccinated so when I went to calculate the unvaccinated death rate I saw we are not counting kids—>

Oregon has 2.4 mill fully vaxed. Total pop is 5 mill. That’s not the 58% that is touted on every damn site—> it is actually 48% fully vaxed and they account for 22% of cases.

So please someone help me out-> If the 52% of non-vaxxed were vaxed and therefore had the same death rate of 22% the total death would only be around 1/2 of what it is now. Right? Wtf am I missing?

An understanding of statistics? The article states that overall the rate of hospitalization and death among fully vaccinated people is exceedingly low.

The article talks about vaccinated and unvaccinated not overall percentages. The 22% you posted about is just for the month of August among fully vaccinated. That is addressed in the article, they were overwhelmingly older and had other comorbidities.


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[Game Over]

Reeks of cherry picking IMV. It’s damaging in that it gives the vaccinated a inflated sense of security that could influence bad choices.

It’s blatantly obvious that we are going to need more than just getting everyone vaccinated to control this.

[KQ]

I have a friend in hosipital with Covid. Another friend who is an anti-vaxxer drove her there two days ago. I asked the anti-vaxxer friend if the other had been vaxxed hoping for a "yes" answer because that would mean the chances for a positive outcome were better than if she wasn't but was told "that's none of our business.". Oh well.

Don't know but I'm willing to bet there is a 50/50 chance my anti-vaxxer friend did not wear a mask when in the car with the sick friend and I'm 100% sure the anti-vaxxer friend has not and will not quarentine herself or tell others of her exposure. She's got a husband and kids who all believe this is overblown nonsense so this could result in some good community spread if she contracted the virus. Hopefully this will not be the case for all involved. *fingers crossed*

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Reeks of cherry picking IMV. It’s damaging in that it gives the vaccinated a inflated sense of security that could influence bad choices.

It’s blatantly obvious that we are going to need more than just getting everyone vaccinated to control this.

Did you actually read the article? Among fully vaccinated people the percentage of hospitalization is .027 % and the percentage of death is .0047%. That’s pretty fucking good and a reason to get vaccinated.


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[MultiVerse]

Plus, Steep's conclusions don't follow. It doesn't "reek of cherry picking." It's the opposite of cherry picking. He's jumping to conclusions even though his arguments are contradictory: 1) people have an inflated sense of security even though overall vax rate is low in Oregon ≠ 2) Getting everyone vaccinated would not make the pandemic to easier control.


Breaking the numbers down for the month of August in Oregon by age/vac stratification vs. overall: by age group a person is 10-38x less likely to get Covid if vaccinated vs 8x less likely overall. People jumped to similar conclusions a month ago WRT Israel. Eithout properly controlling for age, efficacy against severe disease can appear weak when in fact within each age-group it’s extremely strong. A very good explanation for why that's the case:

https://www.covid-datascience.com/po...are-vaccinated

[ill-advised strategy]

He’s making the perfect the enemy of the good.

[ill-advised strategy]

If FuLL vaCCinAtion isN’T peRfEct whY Do it aT alL!

[PB]

If truly only a 48% vax rate, then of course the infection rate (not hospitalization and/or death, as MU politely points out) is relatively high BECAUSE OF ALL THE UNVACCINATED SICK PEOPLE SPREADING THEIR DISEASE.
It's like the concept of herd immunity will never truly be comprehended.

[k2skier112]

steeps baaaack, and off his meds again. r u saving sharon for another meltdown?

[Game Over]

It's the opposite of cherry picking. Maybe you're jumping to conclusions, instead? Either way, your arguments are contradictory: 1) people have an inflated sense of security even though overall vax rate is low Oregon ≠ 2) Getting everyone vaccinated would make it easier the pandemic to control

I’m not arguing anything.

Im accepting that vaccination is just big dent on this thing. Covid is here to stay.

The vaccines 20x reduction in transmission is no doubt a game changer… but we as a society are boosting our exposure/spread situations 100x

[Kinnikinnick]

Steeps is too stupid to see his own errors in math. So he wants us to correct his homework for him?


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[ill-advised strategy]

It’s a hard thing…you want vaccinated people to lock down and wear n95 masks and close restaurants and shit…but getting back to a somewhat normal life is at least one of the biggest motivators, if not the biggest motivator, motivating people to get their shots.

[Game Over]

The attempt/urge to gaslight me as antivax is desperate and couldn’t be further from reality.

I have advocated for vaccines, MRNA, GE etc for decades.

[Game Over]

Steeps is too stupid to see his own errors in math. So he wants us to correct his homework for him?


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My math checks out.