To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[Conundrum]

As if everything must rise to an immediate crisis level for that particular scenario/group before we take preventative action...

I thought this was the American way. Not just for Covid.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Everything I've read reporting on the current delta variant says it's the unvaccinated that are clogging up the hospitals.
Especially the ICUs.

Except for those practicing for their opera parts.

Yup, if you're vaxed you may still get infected w Delta (but far less likely than unvaxed), but it is extremely unlikely you will have to be hospitalized. The two studies I saw recently had vax efficacy against death at 99%+ and 100%. Pandemic of the unvaccinated.

[rideit]

Well, this is encouraging.

https://jacksonholeradio.com/2021/08...rages-vaccine/

“Dead people don’t tithe”

[rideit]

[paulster2626]

Yup, if you're vaxed you may still get infected w Delta (but far less likely than unvaxed), but it is extremely unlikely you will have to be hospitalized. The two studies I saw recently had vax efficacy against death at 99%+ and 100%. Pandemic of the unvaccinated.

Every day here in Ontario we get a clearer picture of how our vaccines are working:

[Dexter Rutecki]

my argument is not about the seriousness of shingles - it's about the firmly held belief that anyone who reads a paragraph on the internet about shingles is now a board certified internal medicine specialist that understands the workings of human physiology and pharmacology and therefore can make expert level decisions about complicated subjects and can teach that knowledge to family, friends, and co-workers.

And when faced with the harsh reality that they get even the simplest shit wrong there is no reflection or stepping back - it's ignore that time they called someone a fucking retard while being 100% wrong and just moving past it to remain locked in this fantasy.

Sure - narcissists and Dunning Kruger sufferers always existed - it's just that now in this age and with a pandemic they get to fuel misinformation which leads to people getting fucked up by covid yet, while sitting in a hospital on oxygen, still weighing scientific recommendations against what their beer league hockey friend emphatically told them was true.

But that guy has a solid slapshot (seriously, I played w that guy yesterday and he's part of the reason I'm back to changing in the rink and not the locker room).

But what I don't get about these internet epidemiologists is how they just ignore CDC/Mayo, etc. Reliable shit is readily available and they could just as easily listen to people who know wtf they're talking about. Instead they go w what Tucker or the MyPolio guy says.

[MultiVerse]

The two studies I saw recently had vax efficacy against death at 99%+ and 100%. Pandemic of the unvaccinated.

A caveat is whether the studies looked at cases since vaccination began or since about mid-June or so after which time most cases are caused by Delta. Because there's no doubt Delta reduces efficacy. In Israel the numbers now look more like 88-93%, instead of 99%.

Counterintuitively, even though efficacy has decreased, in relative terms the case for vaccination has only gotten stronger.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Every day here in Ontario we get a clearer picture of how our vaccines are working:

Yup, .01
But Deeb and those guys will still whatabout the fuck out of it. Somehow.

[rideit]

Good, make the stupid hurt.

https://www.usatoday.com/restricted/...F5514589001%2F

[Kinnikinnick]

There used to be a time when people were open minded and could change their opinion on something without feeling like a total failure. They could have objective conversations and be friends with people with differing opinions.

That time was before selfies.

Yes, round about that time but Fox News started it. When that came around, my conservative friends and family started drifting to an alternative universe. Believing crazy shit.


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[Buster Highmen]

There used to be a time when people were open minded and could change their opinion on something without feeling like a total failure. .

Maybe kids resistance to vegetables matures into a distrust of institutions?
The CDC, WHO NBCI, etc are just unpalatable to some?

[Conundrum]

I'm okay with healthy skepticism but some of these clowns are taking it too far.

In other news-our office is about 40% vaccinated me included. I'd say a majority of un-vaxxed have had it. We just had a break through infection for one of the vaccinated. Of course the first comment was how's that vax working for you guys now?

It was via text as I've been primarily working from home. I didn't respond.

[Buster Highmen]

Personalized arguments versus data arguments.

[Dexter Rutecki]

In other news-our office is about 40% vaccinated me included. I'd say a majority of un-vaxxed have had it. We just had a break through infection for one of the vaccinated. Of course the first comment was how's that vax working for you guys now?

Response should be that it's working better than taking your chances and being intubated. Going to go out on a limb and assume your co-worker isn't hospitalized. Good friend of mine just got over a breakthrough infection--mild symptoms, hate to think what it might have been for him otherwise.

[MultiVerse]

Of course the first comment was how's that vax working for you guys now?

Yeah while a young healthy person who recovered from Covid (not just tested positive for SARS2) probably has pretty good protection, the issue is politicization.

A lot of people argued we should have just let the virus rip from the very beginning. Even though they were clearly wrong, they're turning breakthrough infections into an argument they were right. As a result there are people who haven't had Covid, or if they have aren't young and healthy, but are still choosing to forego vaccination.

[Ted Striker]

But that guy has a solid slapshot (seriously, I played w that guy yesterday and he's part of the reason I'm back to changing in the rink and not the locker room)

He has Patrick Roy's number, so he's probably a goalie.

[Conundrum]

I didn't engage as I just finished talking to this guy about how he has to move schools for his kids because masks went from optional to mandatory last Friday. Not a debate that is going to change any minds.

[skaredshtles]

I didn't engage as I just finished talking to this guy about how he has to move schools for his kids because masks went from optional to mandatory last Friday. Not a debate that is going to change any minds.

Wait - he's switching his kid schools because of a mask mandate?

[Buster Highmen]

I didn't engage as I just finished talking to this guy about how he has to move schools for his kids because masks went from optional to mandatory last Friday. Not a debate that is going to change that mind.

FIFY.

[AK47bp]

Wait - he's switching his kid schools because of a mask mandate?

Not surprising.

Neighbor across the street and my neighbor 2 houses down from me moved their families to Florida over the mask and lockdown stuff in WA.


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[skaredshtles]

Not surprising.

Neighbor across the street and my neighbor 2 houses down from me moved their families to Florida over the mask and lockdown stuff in WA.

[CarlMega]

Well, this is encouraging.

https://jacksonholeradio.com/2021/08...rages-vaccine/

“Dead people don’t tithe”

This one is the litmus test.

There was a time where one wanted to be viewed in the best possible light by their church and/or religious leaders. Pride in being viewed as fine Christian if you will.

But now, that insecurity quest has morphed to be 'will the other conservatives think I'm conservative enough? Am I suitably Trumpian?'

I don't know who will win.

Keeping up with the conservative Joneses?
vs
Being the model practitioner of your faith?

[Conundrum]

Wait - he's switching his kid schools because of a mask mandate?

Correct. Good family, good kids. But very much in lockstep with Tucker and the gang.

[skaredshtles]

Good family, good kids. But very much in lockstep with Tucker and the gang.

These things seem mutually exclusive.

[Conundrum]

It goes back to my comments on respecting opinions. Do I think he is wrong, yes. Does he think I'm a liberal hippy, yes. Are we still friends, yes. Can I vent and make fun of him on the webs and feel slightly better about it, yes.