To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[Buster Highmen]

interdasting theory.

[jono]

She's a large animal vet. Vaxxes horses all the time without thinking about it.

But she gets consent, right?

[riser4]

Hell no. Cockapoo.

This

[ill-advised strategy]

[Danno]

There was a kid in my neighborhood growing up whose pattern was to hassle and bother kids until they snapped and then when they were beating him up he kind of crumbled into a pathetic heap and cowered and turtled. He did this from a young age over and over for years. His brother wasn’t like that, it seemed like his family was decent and normal. He was just, like, locked into this addiction-like pattern of flirting with the excitement and danger of getting beat up, and he’d always take it so far that he lost. Jeff Patrick….
You see it with dogs at the dog park, some agitator just dancing around bothering the other dogs to provoke a chase, chase me, fight me!

We have those trolls here. It’s not about the point, it’s about finding something people feel strongly about and posting statements that upset them, because all the responses, all the back-and-forth are a form of stimulus they crave. The power to insert themselves in your mind, to generate this flurry of emotional feedback is an antidote to the loneliness and boredom and insignificance that stands in contrast to the excitement of conflict.

You know who they are, read their nonsense and shake your head, and let those posts lie, knowing there’s probably some decent chance this is all just a bunch of rhetorical traps they set to watch you get upset and make you fight…
Nip nip chase me!!! Kick my ass!!!

You serious? What about:

[PB]

RJ sez: "All your valid points are minez!!"

[ron johnson]

No:


Kids with COVID-19, flu equally prone to severe illness
A single-center study of 315 pediatric COVID-19 patients and 1,402 children with seasonal flu identified no difference in rates of hospitalization, intensive care unit (ICU) admission, or mechanical ventilation between the two groups.


https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...severe-illness

Study finds surprisingly little difference in hospitalization rates between children with COVID-19 and those with seasonal flu

https://childrensnational.org/news-a...f-covid-vs-flu


Care to move the goalposts again?

Everything I've read concerning the Delta variant suggests that it is impacting children much more, but I'll admit I don't have any studies in that regard. Yet.

So, Newsflash: the flu is NOT more deadly than COVID for kids.

(edit for icing)


Covid hospitalizations are rare among children, but still more frequent than for flu, the C.D.C. says.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/04/h...-children.html


COVID-19 in kids tied to more complications than flu

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-than-flu.html


Results: A total of 295 patients with influenza and 133 with SARS-CoV2 infection were included. The median age was 3.7 years for influenza and 5.3 years for SARS-CoV2. Comorbidities were frequent in both groups, but they were more common in patients with influenza (96.6 vs. 82.7%, p < 0.001). Fever and cough were the most common clinical manifestations in both groups. Rhinorrhea was present in more than half of children with influenza but was infrequent in those with COVID-19 (53.6 vs. 5.8%, p < 0.001). Overall, 6.4% percent of patients with influenza and 7.5% percent of patients with SARS-CoV2 infection died. In-hospital mortality and the need for mechanical ventilation among symptomatic patients were similar between groups in the multivariate analysis.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8264261/

"During the 2018–2019 season, 136 deaths in children with laboratory–confirmed influenza virus infection were reported in the United States. However, influenza-associated pediatric deaths are likely under-reported as not all children whose death was related to an influenza virus infection may have been tested for influenza. By combining data on hospitalization rates, influenza testing practices, and the frequency of death in and out of the hospital from death certificates, we estimate that there were approximately 480 deaths associated with influenza in children during 2018–2019."
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

423 COVID deaths in kids over the past 18+ months (18/19 flu deaths are for just 6 months).
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisiona...-Yea/nr4s-juj3

Now we can quibble over whether COVID or the flu are slightly more dangerous or equally dangerous or whatever, but the point is no one was excessively worried about kids and the flu and they shouldn't be about COVID either.

[ron johnson]

So dipshit isn’t even bothering to read anymore. Our pediatric hospitalist is talking about MIS. It’s not about Covid per se, it’s a syndrome caused by viral infections.


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You mean like the hysteria about Kawasaki disease in kids that turned out to be a nothing burger?

[ron johnson]

I've done it before during the climate change squabble. MV has done it a number of times.

The man has no scruples and refuses to acknowledge his invalidity.

Bullshit, you had little engagement in the climate thread and I never made such an offer in that thread.

[Buster Highmen]

Now we can quibble over whether COVID or the flu are slightly more dangerous or equally dangerous or whatever, but the point is no one was excessively worried about kids and the flu and they shouldn't be about COVID either.

You wrote that the flu is worse. It's right up above. Now it's the usual move the goalpost backpedal.
You are wrong. Your claim is invalid.

If you once again fail to acknowledge this and fail to uphold your promise to leave, do not expect any respect from anyone that has any integrity.

[ron johnson]

I think the real challenge is finding even one post that is factual.
After all, they would be coming through a filter of pure bullshit, sullying them irreparably.

I gave you and everyone else in the forum endless opportunity to find one post that wasn't factual and you couldn't. Would have been so easy if it was hard to find even one post that was factual. Empty words.

[Buster Highmen]

Bullshit, you had little engagement in the climate thread and I never made such an offer in that thread.

Again, yes you did and you also made other erroneous claims there that a number of us called out.



You're just a slimebag.
#cockapoo

[Buster Highmen]

I gave you and everyone else in the forum endless opportunity to find one post that wasn't factual and you couldn't. Would have been so easy if it was hard to find even one post that was factual. Empty words.

We have. Over and over. You're just not sufficiently honorable to follow up.

Now you're definAtely in the troll category as far as I'm concerned.

My vote is now to ban this asshole for repeatedly lying about this issue. I virtually never say this.

[ron johnson]

You wrote that the flu is worse.
You are wrong.

If you once again fail to acknowledge this and fail to uphold your promise to leave, do not expect any respect from anyone that has any integrity.

I said flu is more deadly. CDC data backs this up.

[ron johnson]

We have. Over and over. You're just not sufficiently honorable to follow up.

Now you're definAtely in the troll category as far as I'm concerned.

My vote is now to ban this asshole for repeatedly lying about this issue.

Literally the only thing you guys had was jono pointing out that I claimed I had responded to every post when I had missed one. But that wasn't in the spirit of the challenge.

[ron johnson]

Again, yes you did and you also made other erroneous claims there that a number of us called out.

You're just a slimebag.
#cockapoo

You live in another world. A world where mistrust of gov't is a right wing think tank plot. I never made a challenge like that in the climate thread because I did get a couple things wrong. Still batting like .980 in that thread despite taking a total contrarian position and being outnumbered 30 to 1.

[Buster Highmen]

Literally the only thing you guys had was jono pointing out that I claimed I had responded to every post when I had missed one. But that wasn't in the spirit of the challenge.

I don't do this lightly, but fuck you, you ass sucking scumbag. Go away, you have no integrity, so substance and are nothing but a shit stirring charlatan of the most base order.

[Buster Highmen]

You live in another world. A world where mistrust of gov't is a right wing think tank plot. I never made a challenge like that in the climate thread because I did get a couple things wrong. Still batting like .980 in that thread despite taking a total contrarian position and being outnumbered 30 to 1.

The government isn't perfect, but I don't need any such pejorative to enumerate the times you've been wrong and have failed to live up to your commitments, shitbag.

[Buster Highmen]

Ban this asshole.

[jono]

RJ sez: "All your valid points are minez!!"

Not to worry, tomorrow the CDC data will say that #cockapoo never said any of the things that have been posted under that username and really he agreed with everyone about the falsehood of his posts from the beginning.

I got you, Raiza. Don't take any guff from that science guy they sent you, he obviously drank too much vodka, washed out of the Sputnik program and failed down to your level. He should never have been allowed to agree with those articles you know were wrong. So change your password before you log out and tell them he forgot because he was drinking. Maybe they'll give you a new science guy. Good luck!

[ron johnson]

The government isn't perfect, but I don't need any such pejorative to enumerate the times you've been wrong and have failed to live up to your commitments, shitbag.

Sorry, but that is probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen someone say on a message board. And I'm the one that's been tossing the pejoratives?

[Buster Highmen]

Sorry, but that is probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen someone say on a message board. And I'm the one that's been tossing the pejoratives?

I'm honored.
Now, go away, you smegmatic, authoritarian sycophant.

Ban this asshole.

[huckbucket]

423 COVID deaths in kids over the past 18+ months (18/19 flu deaths are for just 6 months).
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisiona...-Yea/nr4s-juj3

Perhaps you can try forecasting a bit.

That data above does not reflect the impact of Delta on this age group.
Once the full impact of Delta (and future variants) plays out, then expand your comparison to hospitalizations and long-term complications from infection.

Or don't and continue to pretend that you're the smartest guy in the room.

[CarlMega]

Ban this asshole.

Welcome to the resistance.

[Ted Striker]

Wow, this is amazing. On a Saturday no less.

You guys know he's got his dick in his non-typing hand, right?