Climate Change

[JONG SLAUGHTER]

IF YOU'RE NOT CONVINCED TGR IS A BUNCH OF FAGGY HIPPY DIPSHITS READ THIS THREAD AGAIN....AND DON'T EVER THINK OF THINGS AS OVERPOPULATION...JUST CLIMATE CHANGE. MORONS.

[WMD]

^^I remember when I had my first beer...

[neufox47]

Plants (algae are plants) produced all the oxygen in the atmosphere. I read that if all the plants disappeared it would take only about a thousand years for all the free oxygen gas to disappear as the elements oxidized. Trouble is, all the plants can't keep up, and we keep cutting them down.

Very true at current rates. I’d like to see the world aggressively encourage the planting of trees.

[WMD]

Planting trees is always a good idea. But on climate we need to stop emitting greenhouse gases. And plant trees and rewild lots of land.

[old goat]

Planting trees is always a good idea. But on climate we need to stop emitting greenhouse gases. And plant trees and rewild lots of land.

And stop making more people like JONG says.

[liv2ski]

Good luck with that idea. The youngsters like to breed.

[nickwm21]

Globally (and locally) the birthrate is declining. There might be some real life Children of Men / Handmaids Tale shit going on… could be good for planet earth.


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[WMD]

It is always easy to blame population growth for all of our problems, and I agree it is a concern. But the bigger problem is resource use. The vast majority of people on this planet have very small impacts. We, the wealthy, on the other hand, have huge impacts.

While this 2020 Oxfam report (https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-relea...-half-humanity) only looks at carbon footprint, it could also be used to show ecological footprint:
"The richest one percent of the world’s population are responsible for more than twice as much carbon pollution as the 3.1 billion people who made up the poorest half of humanity during a critical 25-year period of unprecedented emissions growth.

"The richest 10 percent accounted for over half (52 percent) of the emissions added to the atmosphere between 1990 and 2015. "

The report goes on to say that the poorest 1/2 of the world's population account for only 7% of emissions.

So yes, we need to control population growth. But more crucially, we, the wealthy of the world, need to learn how to live more sustainably. We are the ones fucking things up, not those "other" people in the developing world.

[Tom351]

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-...c-predictions/

[wendigo]

fuck right off with your cei spam jong. oh, an organization that doesn't believe climate change exists has a blog post about cc not existing - wow.

[old goat]

Anyone predicting a future climate apocalypse is wrong--it's here now. Just ask the (ex)citizens of Greenville CA or Evia, Greece, or the families of those who died in the floods in Germany.

[Sirshredalot]

And stop making more people like JONG says.

This is Malthusian nonsense. Globally, fertility has fallen substantially and it continues to fall. In large parts of the world, fertility is already at or below replacement level. All things being equal, population pressure isn't a big concern over the coming century, at least from a global perspective.

Furthermore, we do have the necessary wealth and technology to decarbonize our economy pretty quickly.

What we have is a total failure of political will and an abdication of leadership from the world's richest countries. The US could have easily steered the world towards a lower-carbon future starting 25 or so years ago. But we didn't and now Denver has worse air quality than Calcutta and it pisses rain at Alta in January.

Within our lifetimes, we are realistically now choosing how much worse it will get. So far, we are making shitty choices.

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[Percy Rideout]

It is always easy to blame population growth for all of our problems, and I agree it is a concern. But the bigger problem is resource use. The vast majority of people on this planet have very small impacts. We, the wealthy, on the other hand, have huge impacts.

While this 2020 Oxfam report (https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-relea...-half-humanity) only looks at carbon footprint, it could also be used to show ecological footprint:
"The richest one percent of the world’s population are responsible for more than twice as much carbon pollution as the 3.1 billion people who made up the poorest half of humanity during a critical 25-year period of unprecedented emissions growth.

"The richest 10 percent accounted for over half (52 percent) of the emissions added to the atmosphere between 1990 and 2015. "

The report goes on to say that the poorest 1/2 of the world's population account for only 7% of emissions.

So yes, we need to control population growth. But more crucially, we, the wealthy of the world, need to learn how to live more sustainably. We are the ones fucking things up, not those "other" people in the developing world.

This is where we will make the most progress, IMO. It is impressive how much the Aspen billionaires "consume". Even the liberal ones lol. Limousine liberals is what they are called in DC.

We cant get countries to agree on anything. We pass feel good bills, and china opens another coal mine to help replace demand that never went away. Good work!

[Bunion 2020]

What we have is a total failure of political will and an abdication of leadership from the world's richest countries. The US could have easily steered the world towards a lower-carbon future starting 25 or so years ago. But we didn't and now Denver has worse air quality than Calcutta and it pisses rain at Alta in January.

Within our lifetimes, we are realistically now choosing how much worse it will get. So far, we are making shitty choices.

Bravo!!!!!

[NWFlow]

Guess this has already been posted, but it's an interesting perspective to consider:

What if We Stopped Pretending the Climate Apocalypse Can Be Stopped? https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cu...ped-pretending

[NWFlow]

Is Jong slaughter blurred?

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and china opens another coal mine to help replace demand that never went away. Good work!

how do you suggest we change China's policy?

[WMD]

Guess this has already been posted, but it's an interesting perspective to consider:

What if We Stopped Pretending the Climate Apocalypse Can Be Stopped? https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cu...ped-pretending

Climate scientists were furious when this article came out. They called bullshit big time and were frustrated that because he has a big name his opinions were published, even though they were not based in actual science. They were pissed that their actual fact-based opinions weren't published because America loves fame more than facts.

[WMD]

how do you suggest we change China's policy?

China is changing their policies, just not fast enough (ours aren't changing fast enough either).

But a recently proposed bill in the senate would tax imports from China and other countries not doing enough on climate to encourage them to cut emissions to avoid the tax: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/c...arbon-tax.html

"Democrats Propose a Border Tax Based on Countries’ Greenhouse Gas Emissions"

"Senators introduced a plan on Monday to tax iron, steel and other imports from countries without ambitious climate laws."

[ill-advised strategy]

Good luck with that idea. The youngsters like to breed.

[baron]

lmao/ its easy to blame big business...but they are selling their stuff to you!

Wanna stop their war on Earth ...stop buying iphones ,and gasoline ,and plastics n stuff. Don't spend your money where your mouth is.



I could give a fuck; humans are on their way to extinction -just like the dinosaurs ,they died from burning coal too.

[Core Shot]

IF YOU'RE NOT CONVINCED TGR IS A BUNCH OF FAGGY HIPPY DIPSHITS READ THIS THREAD AGAIN....AND DON'T EVER THINK OF THINGS AS OVERPOPULATION...JUST CLIMATE CHANGE. MORONS.

EARTH’S GONNA GET RAPED

Would be funnier

What happened to you man?

[WMD]

lmao/ its easy to blame big business...but they are selling their stuff to you!

Wanna stop their war on Earth ...stop buying iphones ,and gasoline ,and plastics n stuff. Don't spend your money where your mouth is.



I could give a fuck; humans are on their way to extinction -just like the dinosaurs ,they died from burning coal too.

This is total bullshit spread by industry to shift blame from them to us. It is a well-documented strategy.

Have you ever tried to buy an EV in Montana or Wyoming? Yeah, can't really do it. Your options are gas or diesel. Buy food not packaged in plastic? Not most places.

Consumers can only choose from options available to them and usually they are all bad for the planet.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chi...outputType=amp

[grinch]

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[old goat]

This is Malthusian nonsense. Globally, fertility has fallen substantially and it continues to fall. In large parts of the world, fertility is already at or below replacement level. All things being equal, population pressure isn't a big concern over the coming century, at least from a global perspective.

Furthermore, we do have the necessary wealth and technology to decarbonize our economy pretty quickly.

What we have is a total failure of political will and an abdication of leadership from the world's richest countries. The US could have easily steered the world towards a lower-carbon future starting 25 or so years ago. But we didn't and now Denver has worse air quality than Calcutta and it pisses rain at Alta in January.

Within our lifetimes, we are realistically now choosing how much worse it will get. So far, we are making shitty choices.

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Population growth has slowed or stopped in wealthier countries because of the advances in standard of living that make having children less desirable and less necessary. Meanwhile the poorer countries' populations continue to grow with people who want what we have. The US population continues to grow because of immigration (the census report is reportedly going to say that) as people with low carbon footprints become people with high carbon footprints. A big driver of migration is climate change and it's going to get worse.

Don't get me wrong--there is no question that carbon and methane production need to drastically decrease and essentially stop, but the problem is something we liberals don't understand but that the right does--that it's not just a matter of everybody putting solar panels on the roof. It's going to mean enormous changes in people's lives and that people aren't going to stand for it. If people won't wear a mask or get a simple shot, imagine what will happen when we tell them they can't fly across the country to see their families.

The great liberal lie--that we have the technology and all we need to do is pass some laws and we'll all be living in a carbon free world with no pain. And the idea that technology can solve the problem--that's how we got into this mess in the first place. I am not completely nihilistic. We have to try. And while population growth itself is not the root of the problem it sure will be easier if we could limit that as a variable and at least work with a stable, or at least decreasing population.