To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[Vt-Freeheel]

Do you guys really think that post is real? When I read those kinds of things I just assume it's a bored troll.

Agree, I have to laugh at how many times a week mags are triggered to the point their head is in imminent danger of exploding when some troll posts. Just ignore it and move on.

[skifishbum]

"SEEM TO"?! Pretty sure that just like my weedwhacker's premix, the Left:Right ratio here is like 50:1.

the lefties sure seem to manage more stoke
while the majority of the right here is on an outdoors sports and activities community
to post stupid fuckin polishit in the padded room to be heard

[splat]

Strange biblical twist on the current situation from Revelations

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/08/08...eived-edition/

What does it say about the false prophets of the right wing?

[bennymac]

"SEEM TO"?! Pretty sure that just like my weedwhacker's premix, the Left:Right ratio here is like 50:1.

Vibes.

[Timberridge]

"SEEM TO"?! Pretty sure that just like my weedwhacker's premix, the Left:Right ratio here is like 50:1.

That's the problem today. Nobody is in the middle anymore.

[tuco]

Do you guys really think that post is real? When I read those kinds of things I just assume it's a bored troll.

Probably? Maybe?
Problem for me is, I'm a tweeker of the blue collar variety and I have to work around this fucktarded shit on the daily. I've heard so much forehead slapping bullshit in the last yr it's dizzying.

[CarlMega]

That's the problem today. Nobody is in the middle anymore.

Or that this alt-right-anti-reality makes foes of basic truths casting any disagreement as being pedo-cuck-soyboy-communist-antifa-libtards.

A reasonable "middle" is:

The pandemic is an unprecedented event in out lifetimes that deserves respect and caution
Vaccines are good, proven medicine which provides our citizens with a high degree of protection and a low possibility of risk
While a strain for everyone, social distancing measures are useful and help mitigate a bad situation from becoming worse

^that's the established middle ground and what the cray-cray are decrying as 'fake' &'demons' & 'hoaxes' & 'new world order' & 'radical' with a petulant brand of 'nope, I ain't gonna do it cause you want me to'. Rantings of the spoiled, unearned privilege of very weak people.

[Buster Highmen]

Libs have to own how much of the alt reality pushback is a result of treating those who hold different views like shit i.e. "deplorables".

We're caught in this feedback cycle of increasing shit slinging that won't end until someone owns up to their failures.

Who's got the balls, patience and moxy to be first?

[bennymac]

the real question is why isn't she hawking these CBD products on TGR?

Don’t stick your dick in crazy.

[CarlMega]

Libs have to own how much of the alt reality pushback is a result of treating those who hold different views like shit i.e. "deplorables".

So the H quote was about how you'll never win over or reason with a certain segment of constituency because their politics are focused around 'hurting' the other side, holding 'deplorable' views - I ask you: witness our current state was that not prophetic? I guess it's on her to take the high ground during chants of 'lock her up'.

The camp of "fuck your feelings" want to be treated better or they will deny reality and drag us down like crabs in a barrel? That's the argument? Loud, violent and wrong but listen to us anyway. Fuck that.

There are a great many complaints that can be levied against dems and left politics but, at the moment, that is not the side posing existential threats. We are in a scenario where one side is denying reality, denying the laws and system of democracy and governance and denying that certain people are worthy of rights; you cannot find middle ground where one side is advocating for your imprisonment or devalued as less than human.

/strayed to far from covid - my bad - end rant

[Skidog]

got a covid vax denier on my FB...pushing some BS that "MD's cant administer the vaccine cause its experimental" they would get sued, blah blah....

I would like to know from the MD collective, why the hesitancy with below 12? Obviously not every kid matures the same so some 12 yr olds might actually be like 9 yr olds physically, so how the "magic age"? Like I get there are things we dont want in developing bodies, but is there some chance that the same covid vax I got, wont be given to my 9 yr old? Why are we dragging feet? I say its getting near time to allow 2-11 to step up. Would prefer a more educated opinion on it though.

[Mofro261]

For those not here for the polyass discussions, some science and some cool virus animations in the link below.

How the coronavirus infects cells — and why Delta is so dangerous

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02039-y

[bennymac]

[Dantheman]

What's Polio?

[Buster Highmen]

So the H quote was about how you'll never win over or reason with a certain segment of constituency because their politics are focused around 'hurting' the other side, holding 'deplorable' views - I ask you: witness our current state was that not prophetic? I guess it's on her to take the high ground during chants of 'lock her up'.

If politics were based purely on reason then how could we end up in the dynamic we're in today?

The camp of "fuck your feelings" want to be treated better or they will deny reality and drag us down like crabs in a barrel? That's the argument?

No, that's not the argument. But ignoring the dynamic is inconsistent with the omniscience the left claims to have.

Loud, violent and wrong but listen to us anyway. Fuck that.

Whoosh!

There are a great many complaints that can be levied against dems and left politics but, at the moment, that is not the side posing existential threats. We are in a scenario where one side is denying reality, denying the laws and system of democracy and governance and denying that certain people are worthy of rights; you cannot find middle ground where one side is advocating for your imprisonment or devalued as less than human.

/strayed to far from covid - my bad - end rant

Again, wh0000sh.

[CarlMega]

Again, wh0000sh.

No.

A reasonable "middle" is:

The pandemic is an unprecedented event in out lifetimes that deserves respect and caution
Vaccines are good, proven medicine which provides our citizens with a high degree of protection and a low possibility of risk
While a strain for everyone, social distancing measures are useful and help mitigate a bad situation from becoming worse

[skaredshtles]

got a covid vax denier on my FB...pushing some BS that "MD's cant administer the vaccine cause its experimental" they would get sued, blah blah....

I would like to know from the MD collective, why the hesitancy with below 12? Obviously not every kid matures the same so some 12 yr olds might actually be like 9 yr olds physically, so how the "magic age"? Like I get there are things we dont want in developing bodies, but is there some chance that the same covid vax I got, wont be given to my 9 yr old? Why are we dragging feet? I say its getting near time to allow 2-11 to step up. Would prefer a more educated opinion on it though.

The trials are happening - I've got a dr friend whose kids are all under 12 and in a vaccination study presently. I don't think that they're dragging feet, TBH - it's just the next/last group to be in a trial...

[summit]

got a covid vax denier on my FB...pushing some BS that "MD's cant administer the vaccine cause its experimental" they would get sued, blah blah....

I would like to know from the MD collective, why the hesitancy with below 12? Obviously not every kid matures the same so some 12 yr olds might actually be like 9 yr olds physically, so how the "magic age"? Like I get there are things we dont want in developing bodies, but is there some chance that the same covid vax I got, wont be given to my 9 yr old? Why are we dragging feet? I say its getting near time to allow 2-11 to step up. Would prefer a more educated opinion on it though.

Docs administer vaccine, but mostly they use people who are less expensive to admin the vaccine under the MDs license.

There are currently studies in progress to show safety/efficacy for <11yo. Waiting on that data, hopefully soon. That's the holdup. It's normal to do adult studies and then step down the age groups with more studies.

[huckbucket]

got a covid vax denier on my FB...pushing some BS that "MD's cant administer the vaccine cause its experimental" they would get sued, blah blah....

I would like to know from the MD collective, why the hesitancy with below 12? Obviously not every kid matures the same so some 12 yr olds might actually be like 9 yr olds physically, so how the "magic age"? Like I get there are things we dont want in developing bodies, but is there some chance that the same covid vax I got, wont be given to my 9 yr old? Why are we dragging feet? I say its getting near time to allow 2-11 to step up. Would prefer a more educated opinion on it though.

"I get there are things we dont want in developing bodies"

Then you'll understand that assessing safety in children is not the same as assessing safety in adults which is the entire point of the clinical trial. The advisory committee associated with the trial(s) will look at the totality of the data and weight the benefit versus the side effects and then make a recommendation to the FDA. Up until Delta there was less urgency in getting the trials completed because the prior variants were not as contageous. But now it seems that the "benefit" quotient of the equation as represented by the protection afforded by the vaccine might quickly outpace the risk, although that's TBD.

[Buster Highmen]

No.

Yes.
Unless there's acknowledgement that the problem is rooted in disrespect.

It doesn't matter what's reasonable or what's right unless that message can be conveyed without insult. without "fuck that".

A year ago, vax trepidation may have been warranted. Now it's not.

The vaccines are safe, they're for the good of humanity, of fellow countrymen. Just stick to the facts, to the studies and leave the insults behind because they don't work.

[huckbucket]

Yes.
Unless there's acknowledgement that the problem is rooted in disrespect.

A year ago, vax trepidation may have been warranted. Now it's not.

Just stick to the facts, to the studies and leave the insults behind because they don't work.

Ha! As if it were that easy. Dogmatic thinking rooted is pure ignorance is THE problem.

[hawkgt]

dam, just found out colleague in Mexico passed away from COVID late last week.

Good guy and funny as hell, showed up to the last sales meeting with a step ladder for his presentation. Climbed over an office cube barrier to present to US mgrs, place was rolling after that. THAT was funny! RIP Luis, dam glad to know you.

[Buster Highmen]

Ha! As if it were that easy. Dogmatic thinking rooted is pure ignorance is THE problem.

I disagree that dogmatic thinking is rooted in ignorance. Agreed it's not easy. Being patient is hell.

There's lots of dogmatic thinking in science: asserting opinions in a doctrinaire or arrogant manner; opinionated.

It's the arrogant part that needs more attention. I think that's what alienates people and largely drives people into that kind of identity decision making.

Just reread how people, myself especially, treat the mtus, the montuckys, even falco or whatever his alias is. The snotty, dismissive tone overrides the information.

[riser4]

I disagree that dogmatic thinking is rooted in ignorance. Agreed it's not easy. Being patient is hell.

There's lots of dogmatic thinking in science: asserting opinions in a doctrinaire or arrogant manner; opinionated.

It's the arrogant part that needs more attention. I think that's what alienates people and largely drives people into that kind of identity decision making.

Just reread how people, myself especially, treat the mtus, the montuckys, even falco or whatever his alias is. The snotty, dismissive tone overrides the information.

The whole droplet thing sorted fucked us over for a while.

[::: :::]

Just reread how people, myself especially, treat the mtus, the montuckys, even falco or whatever his alias is. The snotty, dismissive tone overrides the information.

at what point does it become ok to call out bad faith participation in this back/forth dance?