To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[JimmyCarter]

Wait what?!?!?!

Don't listen to him, that rash should clear up on its own

[ex-powderbroker]

Not currently a bunch of morons running around making a stink over measles vax

wasn't it smallpox in california and brooklyn a few years ago? And MMR and Rubella before that? This shit has a long history:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...mption/398321/

The protests quieted after these two decisions, but small pockets of unease have now bubbled up again. Durbach said that unless the root issues are addressed—the boundaries of personal freedom versus social obligations—the movement will continue to resurface with different faces.

“The argument about personal freedom is important,” Durbach says, “but we willingly surrender these freedoms when we believe it is for the public good and our own safety.”

[bodywhomper]

Here’s a recent 50 minute interview of Michael Osterholm by Andy Slavitt. The entire thing is interesting. It’s not a feel good interview https://omny.fm/shows/in-the-bubble/...ichael-osterho

[bennymac]

Acting Boston Mayor, Kim Janey not mincing words. Right on!



For those of you on the Left who say that voting ID puts undue burden on POC as they would be negatively impacted by such measures. How do you square that logic with thinking showing proof of vaccination isn't racist? When something like 70% of black people haven't received the vaccine, whether by choice or otherwise, wouldn't that keep them from participating in everyday society? Sounds like one heck of an undue burden on that segment of the population if you ask me. Seems.... kinda racist.

So you’re saying we should have vaccine passports and voter ID.

Or neither.

I dare you to take a stance.

[Ted Striker]

I'd recommend taking medical advice from your doctor instead of a skiing message board on the internet.

Where's the fun in that?!

How about ask Pat? He's the vax mixmaster. Sure the random metal objects constantly sticking to him gets annoying, but the laser beam eyes, and near bionic strength legs more than make up for it.

[Mofro261]

So I got the J&J shot back in March. I went though this whole thing this year that I'm sure has left me immunocompromised, to some extent, for now at least, and my family has been leaning on me hard to get one dose of one of the other shots. Whats the consensus on this? My reading (but I haven't really been keepng up lately) indicates there's no point to this additional jab. What say yez?

Yes to anyone with a single dose vax, prime/boost works but it's not as gentle if the boost is active live viral infection and actual disease.

[CarlMega]

you need them for schools in lots of places. they’ve been mandated previously for things like smallpox. jobs require stuff like this. the argument that one has complete body autonomy is over for things that can affect the public good.

Correct. And certain mandates or passports *could* disproportionally affect the poor and POC. That said, most of the proposals are: Private, where you have discretion anyway -or- employment/govt, where you have an responsibility of maintaining services or readiness -or- travel related, where many public health restrictions already exist. I'm a proponent for public health measures but I hate to see people lost in the margins, so I'd like to see government function in massive outreach programs and generally biased as a cooperative partner in helping people comply with needed precautions. To date, I think the government has done a reasonable (but not perfect) job in vaccine distribution: acquisition, funding (free!), education and opportunity (could be better in some rural and poor); far cry from the purposed bureaucracy and deliberate disenfranchise measures that go into the so-called 'voter id/protections'. They couldn't be more opposite.

[Mofro261]

So I got the J&J shot back in March. I went though this whole thing this year that I'm sure has left me immunocompromised, to some extent, for now at least, and my family has been leaning on me hard to get one dose of one of the other shots. Whats the consensus on this? My reading (but I haven't really been keepng up lately) indicates there's no point to this additional jab. What say yez?

Yes to anyone with a single dose vax, prime/boost works but it's not as gentle if the boost is active live viral infection and actual disease.

[Skidog]

you need them for schools in lots of places. they’ve been mandated previously for things like smallpox. jobs require stuff like this. the argument that one has complete body autonomy is over for things that can affect the public good.

you have to prove for school. No job I ever had made me prove beyond that. News to me on the smallpox "card" or proof. Could this also not fall prey to some sort of HIPPA BS?
Im vaxxed...they want me to flash some card, I go no issues with it, just seems off for whatever reason to me.

[Skidog]

wasn't it smallpox in california and brooklyn a few years ago? And MMR and Rubella before that? This shit has a long history:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...mption/398321/

Yeah not going into that rabbit hole. Plenty dont have smallpox or measles and I am sure plenty had issue with it when it came out. However we didn't have the interwebs back then to shout it from the mountaintops every damned second of every damned day. If you say something enough, does it become true? Sure seems that way for a lot these days.

[Skidog]

Where's the fun in that?!

How about ask Pat? He's the vax mixmaster. Sure the random metal objects constantly sticking to him gets annoying, but the laser beam eyes, and near bionic strength legs more than make up for it.

Lol was wondering about this and his recent long illness....guess you take your chances sometimes lol

[old_newguy]

you have to prove for school. No job I ever had made me prove beyond that. News to me on the smallpox "card" or proof. Could this also not fall prey to some sort of HIPPA BS?
Im vaxxed...they want me to flash some card, I go no issues with it, just seems off for whatever reason to me.

Why would an employer need you to prove vaccination status for a vaccine that most k-12s and colleges require? The filter is at that level so no need to add the cost of verification to employment.

Rules for the, not for me:

At this time,* vaccines for these diseases are currently required for U.S. immigration:

Mumps
Measles
Rubella
Polio
Tetanus and diphtheria
Pertussis
Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib)
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Rotavirus
Meningococcal disease
Varicella
Pneumococcal disease
Seasonal influenza

[Ted Striker]

Lol was wondering about this and his recent long illness....guess you take your chances sometimes lol

I didn't realize he had a recent long illness. Now I feel bad for the joke.

[Harry]

No job I ever had made me prove beyond that.

I had a job that required me to be vaccinated.





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[ex-powderbroker]

you have to prove for school. No job I ever had made me prove beyond that. News to me on the smallpox "card" or proof. Could this also not fall prey to some sort of HIPPA BS?
Im vaxxed...they want me to flash some card, I go no issues with it, just seems off for whatever reason to me.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents...s/schools.html

for jobs, you haven't seen the stuff about federal requirements for covid? it predates that: if you work in a hospital, you need a flu shot etc. for the army, it goes on and on.

Yeah not going into that rabbit hole. Plenty dont have smallpox or measles and I am sure plenty had issue with it when it came out. However we didn't have the interwebs back then to shout it from the mountaintops every damned second of every damned day. If you say something enough, does it become true? Sure seems that way for a lot these days.

to some it seems like the internet has made things a lot worse. the vaccines autism crowd are the same buying colloidal silver and taking preventative courses of hcq or whatever, no?

[teledad]

you have to prove for school. No job I ever had made me prove beyond that. News to me on the smallpox "card" or proof. Could this also not fall prey to some sort of HIPPA BS?
Im vaxxed...they want me to flash some card, I go no issues with it, just seems off for whatever reason to me.

https://twitter.com/Helen_Highly/sta...07518257385488

[ötzi]

I'd recommend taking medical advice from your doctor instead of a skiing message board on the internet.

pfft. That's no way to live.

ftr, my Doc shrugged.

[CarlMega]

https://twitter.com/Helen_Highly/sta...07518257385488

Let's post the fun part:

[ötzi]

Yes to anyone with a single dose vax, prime/boost works but it's not as gentle if the boost is active live viral infection and actual disease.

Yeah that's the thing - I'm not eager to get my ass kicked by the reaction if I can just avoid it.

[ex-powderbroker]

would you rather get your ass kicked by covid?

[Skidog]

Why would an employer need you to prove vaccination status for a vaccine that most k-12s and colleges require? The filter is at that level so no need to add the cost of verification to employment.

Rules for the, not for me:

At this time,* vaccines for these diseases are currently required for U.S. immigration:

Mumps
Measles
Rubella
Polio
Tetanus and diphtheria
Pertussis
Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib)
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Rotavirus
Meningococcal disease
Varicella
Pneumococcal disease
Seasonal influenza

stats from CDC 2019 still show roughly 90% 24 month olds have Measles vax.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm

[Skidog]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents...s/schools.html

for jobs, you haven't seen the stuff about federal requirements for covid? it predates that: if you work in a hospital, you need a flu shot etc. for the army, it goes on and on.




to some it seems like the internet has made things a lot worse. the vaccines autism crowd are the same buying colloidal silver and taking preventative courses of hcq or whatever, no?

I made a FB post the other day and have often pondered the topic.

Unabomber Ted.....his message or manifesto was about how technology and possibly the entire industrial revolution would be the downfall of man. Im beginning to wonder more and more if he wasn't pretty much dead fuckin on...horrible delivery though, but I guess nobody would ever know otherwise.

[skaredshtles]

Let's post the fun part:

[bobz]

how does one go about "proving this"? Far as I know there are ZERO databases that hold info on whos (name etc) had the vaccine. Are we going to say a paper card with a vax lot # and brand is affirmation that you are vaxxed? Its already well known that they are selling those cards all over the place now...

I can't speak for other states, but California DOES have a database, and a system for allowing consumers to prove vaccination status to a third party. (The system lets the person submit verifying information on a state website in order to receive a QR code, which they can store in their phone or on paper; that code can be offered as a special key to businesses who can then, probably via a simple app, access the official DB as to the person's name and whether they're Covid-vaxxed, without the person needing to authenticate themself with other personal data.) The problem with this system is that very few people have registered for it (I have).

[Benny Profane]

I made a FB post the other day and have often pondered the topic.

Unabomber Ted.....his message or manifesto was about how technology and possibly the entire industrial revolution would be the downfall of man. Im beginning to wonder more and more if he wasn't pretty much dead fuckin on...horrible delivery though, but I guess nobody would ever know otherwise.

Too bad he didn't last much longer in freedomland, or he could have typed his manifesto on his phone.