To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[skaredshtles]

Gotta say the ignore function has made this discussion much better for me. I highly recommend it.

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[MontuckyFried]

^^
The "anecdote" comment coming from the person who posted about how his sister-in-law's Uber driver's hairdresser's Facebook post said something something something is pretty fucking rich.

/whoosh

Get some sleep, Tri. You obviously had a long shift.

[MontuckyFried]

Acting Boston Mayor, Kim Janey not mincing words. Right on!



For those of you on the Left who say that voting ID puts undue burden on POC as they would be negatively impacted by such measures. How do you square that logic with thinking showing proof of vaccination isn't racist? When something like 70% of black people haven't received the vaccine, whether by choice or otherwise, wouldn't that keep them from participating in everyday society? Sounds like one heck of an undue burden on that segment of the population if you ask me. Seems.... kinda racist.

[Skidog]

Not sure, but Foo Fighters did it

So they say....how many cards were fakes? Thats my point. How do, or can we really know?

[tuco]

So they say....how many cards were fakes? Thats my point. How do, or can we really know?

I understand this...

[tuco]

Acting Boston Mayor, Kim Janey not mincing words. Right on!



For those of you on the Left who say that voting ID puts undue burden on POC as they would be negatively impacted by such measures. How do you square that logic with thinking showing proof of vaccination isn't racist? When something like 70% of black people haven't received the vaccine, whether by choice or otherwise, wouldn't that keep them from participating in everyday society? Sounds like one heck of an undue burden on that segment of the population if you ask me. Seems.... kinda racist.

Square peg, round hole?

[The AD]

For those of you on the Left who say that voting ID puts undue burden on POC as they would be negatively impacted by such measures. How do you square that logic with thinking showing proof of vaccination isn't racist? When something like 70% of black people haven't received the vaccine, whether by choice or otherwise, wouldn't that keep them from participating in everyday society? Sounds like one heck of an undue burden on that segment of the population if you ask me. Seems.... kinda racist.

Requiring voter ID is racist mainly because of historical reasons. Ever since the 15th Amendment gave black people the right to vote various states have tried to find ways to disenfranchise them. Voter ID is simply the latest iteration. Proof of vaccination, on the other hand, is about public health. As far as I know there's no history of racist intent behind proof of vaccination, thus not racist.

[TBS]

how does one go about "proving this"? Far as I know there are ZERO databases that hold info on whos (name etc) had the vaccine. Are we going to say a paper card with a vax lot # and brand is affirmation that you are vaxxed? Its already well known that they are selling those cards all over the place now...

The authorities scan for the Soros/Gates nanochip that was included with the injections.
Duh!

[Mazderati]

There is a big magnet tunnel that pulls vaccinated persons into the approved lane and only the approved lane leads to the concert. No way to fake it.

[JimmyCarter]

The authorities scan for the Soros/Gates nanochip that was included with the injections.
Duh!

Yeah that's crazy talk, but at the same time...
https://www.businessinsider.com/mili...19-2021-4?op=1

[schuss]

Acting Boston Mayor, Kim Janey not mincing words. Right on!



For those of you on the Left who say that voting ID puts undue burden on POC as they would be negatively impacted by such measures. How do you square that logic with thinking showing proof of vaccination isn't racist? When something like 70% of black people haven't received the vaccine, whether by choice or otherwise, wouldn't that keep them from participating in everyday society? Sounds like one heck of an undue burden on that segment of the population if you ask me. Seems.... kinda racist.

If getting access to ID was as easy as getting access to the vaccine, sure. In most regions it's used to disenfranchise as the immediate follow up is to make dmv etc have weird hours and close locations in minority areas. It also does fuck all to reduce fraud.

[Bunion 2020]

^^^ thank you for splaining it so clearly. But Austin and most on the right will deny that ever happened or shrug it off and say secure elections are the goal.

[Nobody Famous]

At least he died doing what he loved.

Texas politician dies of COVID 5 days after posting anti-vaccine meme


A Texas GOP official who consistently mocked COVID-19 vaccines and masks on social media, died five days after posting a meme on Facebook, questioning the idea of getting inoculated against the virus.

Dickinson City Council member and State Republican Executive Committee member H. Scott Apley, 45, died due to complications from COVID-19 Wednesday morning.

Apley was admitted to the Galveston hospital on Sunday with “pneumonia-like symptoms,” and shortly after, he was hooked up to a ventilator, according to The Daily Beast.

“He leaves behind his wife, Melissa, who is COVID positive, as well as their infant son Reid,” a GoFundMe page set up to help pay for funeral expenses reads. “Your donations are greatly appreciated and will help the family as they get through this difficult period.”

The family has so far raised nearly half of its $30,000 goal.

“My heart is beyond broken for his family,” wrote Dickinson Mayor Sean Skipworth in a Facebook post. “Scott was a new father and that makes this loss especially tragic.”

“Please join me in lifting the Apley family up in prayer,” added Texas Republican Party Chairman Matt Rinaldi in a statement that failed to mention Apley had died of COVID-19. “We will miss Scott deeply but find comfort knowing he is at peace in the arms of our Savior.”

Known for his extreme conservative beliefs and Christian faith, Apley rallied against most COVID-19 safety policies. In May, Apley posted an invitation to attend a “mask burning” at a Cincinnati bar, adding “I wish I lived in the area!”

Like many far-right conservatives including Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Apley compared mask mandates to Nazism.

Five days before his death, Apley posted a meme gaining notoriety in right-wing groups that read: “In 6 months, we’ve gone from the vax ending the pandemic—to you can still get covid even if vaxxed—to you can pass covid onto others even if vaxxed—to you can still die of covid even if vaxxed—to the unvaxxed are killing the vaxxed.”


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Article on this appeared in yesterday's Washington Post, https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ax-dies-covid/

Looked at the comments and they are good reading. A few that hit home for me:

-May the Good Lord show his soul more mercy and compassion than he showed his fellow humans.

-It was his choice to go with right-wing ideology and it's anti-science crap over doing what smart people do, and man did he pay a steep price...

This one especially stands out, on the GoFundMe setup to pay medical and funeral bills:
-To add insult to injury they want people, they haven't given a hoot about, to send them money because the predictable thing happened.

[Skidog]

Requiring voter ID is racist mainly because of historical reasons. Ever since the 15th Amendment gave black people the right to vote various states have tried to find ways to disenfranchise them. Voter ID is simply the latest iteration. Proof of vaccination, on the other hand, is about public health. As far as I know there's no history of racist intent behind proof of vaccination, thus not racist.

There has been some racism in the medical field towards the black population. Tuskegee for example.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

It’s like Austin/MF is trying to prove he’s dumb with most of his posts.

Vaccines are free, please get one. You need voter ID but we’re going to make it difficult to get.

I’m all for voter ID but if it’s required the onus of getting people the cards is on the government.


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[old_newguy]

I’d guess from a quick mental review of headlines that there are more instances of fake vaccine cards than there are voter fraud.

[huckbucket]

You won't kill your neighbor if you don't vote.

[ex-powderbroker]

Montucky is a dumbfuck redneck racist. Obama throws a party and it's a "pimp party". Throws out unsubstantiated numbers like 70% of black people wont get vaccinated. Stay tuned for the next dose of idiocy until you end up putting him on ignore, I guess.

[ötzi]

So I got the J&J shot back in March. I went though this whole thing this year that I'm sure has left me immunocompromised, to some extent, for now at least, and my family has been leaning on me hard to get one dose of one of the other shots. Whats the consensus on this? My reading (but I haven't really been keepng up lately) indicates there's no point to this additional jab. What say yez?

[JaytaeMoney]

What say yez?

I'd recommend taking medical advice from your doctor instead of a skiing message board on the internet.

[Skidog]

Montucky is a dumbfuck redneck racist. Obama throws a party and it's a "pimp party". Throws out unsubstantiated numbers like 70% of black people wont get vaccinated. Stay tuned for the next dose of idiocy until you end up putting him on ignore, I guess.

I dont know or not if Montuckys percentages are right. I do know that what you posted is a survey, not actual #'s of vaxxed. And the fact that is says "plan to get asap" is a bit odd. Im sure plenty of minorities WANT to get them ASAP, however, from what I have seen locally, the numbers in those communities is still low, due to access issues.

Doesnt mean I think we should have voter ID cards, or actually vax cards for that matter. I don't have to run around proving I had the measles vax, or any of the other required.

[ex-powderbroker]

Doesnt mean I think we should have voter ID cards, or actually vax cards for that matter. I don't have to run around proving I had the measles vax, or any of the other required.

you need them for schools in lots of places. they’ve been mandated previously for things like smallpox. jobs require stuff like this. the argument that one has complete body autonomy is over for things that can affect the public good.

[The AD]

I dont know or not if Montuckys percentages are right. I do know that what you posted is a survey, not actual #'s of vaxxed.

Overall, across these 40 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (49%) was roughly 1.3 times higher than the rate for Black people (38%) and 1.1 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (43%) as of August 2, 2021

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covi...ace-ethnicity/

[tuco]

I dont know or not if Montuckys percentages are right. I do know that what you posted is a survey, not actual #'s of vaxxed. And the fact that is says "plan to get asap" is a bit odd. Im sure plenty of minorities WANT to get them ASAP, however, from what I have seen locally, the numbers in those communities is still low, due to access issues.

Doesnt mean I think we should have voter ID cards, or actually vax cards for that matter. I don't have to run around proving I had the measles vax, or any of the other required.

Not currently a bunch of morons running around making a stink over measles vax

[seano732]

I'd recommend taking medical advice from your doctor instead of a skiing message board on the internet.

Wait what?!?!?!