Looks like Neiderhauser and McCandless own the property in and around Le Caille. I hope you poor taxpayers are ready to build them a gondola.
Looks like Neiderhauser and McCandless own the property in and around Le Caille. I hope you poor taxpayers are ready to build them a gondola.
as opposed to more shitty bus service and letting uta sweetheart deal their own developers and overpay management with our tax dollars?
the canyons need enforcement of rules and real consequences for noncompliance
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Canyon needs less people, not more.
Currently only somewhat limiting factor on crowds at resorts is lack of parking. Gondola removed that.
Gondola effectively moves the bottleneck from inside the canyon to the mouth, that’s it.
Ignoring my complaint about crowds, if this were really about removing bottlenecks, UDOT would build a route for utah valley skiers up to snowbird via AF canyon, and from wasatch county up route 420.
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Is it crowded or just hot?
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If we're gonna wear uniforms, we should all wear somethin' different!
What I'm astounded by is how little outrage there is that they are building an office building at the mouth of BCC and LCC. Congestion is to the point they are going to undertake on am expensive and fairly radical solution and yet an office building is being built at the mouth of both canyons that will only add to the congestion. What a fucking joke.
So many issues could be alleviated by simple enforcement and actual consequences. Start by leaving those who slide into the ditch, in the ditch until traffic eases instead of stopping the whole show to pull them out. Enforce tire regulations every day with steep tickets for every car in a parking lot without good tires (Mt Hood gives $500 tickets in the parking lot for noncompliant vehicles). Simple cheap start to solving the problem. UDOT paving the road with unreasonably slick surfaces has contributed to making this issue worse the last few years.
Yes please. The number of times I watched cars have to get pushed / pulled thru the Solitude lot tells me this would be a great solution - could probably pay for a brand new road after just one season of $500 tickets...or maybe pay for someone to stand at the mouth and actually check tires, something I saw twice all season in ~100 trips up BCC.
Also, I don't get the hate for the bus system. I freaking love the bus, but I do get on before the park and rides, which certainly helps. Sometimes you have to wait to get down, but that's pretty rare and predictable (weekend dumps when you ski to close). It would be good if they figured out how to have a more scalable fleet, but that's a tough problem. On down days the buses are totally empty, but on big days it's rare they leave the 6200 pnr with any capacity at all, even the super early bus.
Y'all are smokin' crack and talking smack.
Again.
"Sigh".
I'll pass.
Again.
All ya gotta do to want the gondola is perform a mid canyon night avalanche road rescue during rising hazard to question the safety of SR 210.
Two will make you a true convert...
Highest avalanche hazard index rating in N. America.
By far.
"Safety of the rescuer comes first".
Not when the red snake has thousands in harm's way.
Catastrophe will occur someday without safer alternatives.
Most scared I've been is performing night avalanche road rescues in this canyon...
We need the highway as well, for too many reasons to list.
With sheds over the WP chutes, WP, and LP. as stated in the highway alternative.
Don't really care about who stands to profit in this venture; safety is the bottom line.
And danger is hard to fathom unless you are immersed in it.
Time spent skiing cannot be deducted from one's life.
C'mon. It's July and all the Wasatch wannabe Congressmen want to assert their well thought out (and no doubt rehearsed) pseudo-intellect round these parts. We are an easy crew to placate, or at least give the much wanted bro brah back pat.
Personally, I would lobby for a reinforced covered cog rail system. ....But, that's why I've never been asked to be a politician.
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also heads up on cheapish cooler the lifetime outlet store have somethin very similar to the yeti 65 for less than $100 I believe.
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"I find I have already had my reward, in the doing of the thing" - Buzz Holmstrom
"THIS IS WHAT WE DO"-AML -ski on in eternal peace
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How does the gondola meaningfully reduce the risk of an avalanche catastrophe on the road when the road will still transport the vast majority of users? Under the current gondola proposal the red snake isn't going anywhere.
The latest iteration of the gondola proposal does include installing snow sheds at the same locations as the road widening/expanded bus alternative. See the EIS fact sheets I linked to on the last page.
It gives an alternative egress so that, theoretically, they could close the road when hazard is rising, and not be in a huge push to reopen mid-storm. Ultimately, you are correct in that the capacity if the gondola is not sufficient to replace the road in these situations, but I think TFW is talking more emergency access and/or getting people out of the canyon during extended storm cycles, not getting people to the epic pow.
Let's assume a worst case-scenario. Dry roads on a Saturday morning with a major wet heavy front hitting mid-day. Thousands of cars go up the canyon in the morning, all parking at capacity by 11:00 am, and UDOT decides they need to close the road at noon and it will be too dangerous to open it until late morning the following day at the earliest. With the gondola you can theoretically get all those people who drove up out of the canyon, but in practice it would be quite difficult.
You're talking about sending ~10,000 people down on a gondola that moves 1,000/hr. Now that you've taken half the night to get all these people down to the base station, how do they get home? The lucky ones will get rides from friends/family and the rest will have to hope they can score an Uber. Then all those people have to get back up the gondola the next day to retrieve their cars, which have been buried by the storm and the resorts can't clear their lots until they're all gone. It sounds like a massive shitshow to me.
im gonna skin home from lacaille but i would have had to walk dry roads to take the ganjola that morning to avoid the were gonna let a bunch of people up
with questionable equipped for snow vehicles and driving skills, even though we know its gonna dump, to begin with and create a red snake that takes hours reguardless
last i checked when i drive by to other canyons its a shit show that proportionately grows as the snow masses
but im sure the better busses will fix all that their lanes will always be clear and safe from letting shitty equipped vehicles continue to travel a canyon not made to be traveled in such
"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
"I find I have already had my reward, in the doing of the thing" - Buzz Holmstrom
"THIS IS WHAT WE DO"-AML -ski on in eternal peace
"I have posted in here but haven't read it carefully with my trusty PoliAsshat antenna on."-DipshitDanno
well in the decades i been here it aint being addressed in a git it done manner
snow sheds seem like a solvable problem too
too bad the mountain accord pissed away 8 mill of enough to do one and couldnt accomplish fixing any problems or even addressing the one as you claim "easily" solvable
im gittin a "not that guy" udot sticker this year cause itll save em from lookin down at my high dollar snows
and tie the yeti slap collection togather nicely
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"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
"I find I have already had my reward, in the doing of the thing" - Buzz Holmstrom
"THIS IS WHAT WE DO"-AML -ski on in eternal peace
"I have posted in here but haven't read it carefully with my trusty PoliAsshat antenna on."-DipshitDanno
If you're looking for someone to defend Mountain Accord I'm definitely not the guy. I am as baffled as anyone regarding UPD's refusal to enforce traction laws. I didn't say it would be "easy" to solve, but it is very, very solvable, and without hundreds of millions of dollars worth of public spending. Maybe TFW has some insight on why UPD willing puts his people, UDOT's people, UPD's own people, and the public at risk by refusing to enforce traction laws.
Snow sheds are going to happen regardless.
eta: Wasn't UDOT or UPD advertising a LCC tire checker job last year? I think it paid $15/hr, so no surprise that no one wanted an on-call part-time job that required you to stand outside in the snow looking at tires and getting yelled at by morons. Make that job pay $100/hr and you'll get some takers. Even if you need the guy for 50 8-hr days per season (WAGing here, but seems on the high side) it only costs $40k/yr, that's peanuts.
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I think i've come full circle on what was once deemed Skilink.
Honestly, if they're going to put in the LCC gondola/tram then I think they should lace up gondolas from PC to tribble fork. Make the wasatch an outdoors playground like the US has never seen. Bring a gondy from the base of PCMR to brighton. Brighton to Alta. Alta to tribble fork. Add a few strategic stops along the way. Make BCC and LCC (and millcreek for that matter) bus only. The gondies and planners should be more concerned with summer activities than winter since they're deeming this as a way to reduce emissions and somewhat counteract climate change then they should be realistic and realize that winters are going to be short by 2050 and they should be planning for that.
There is no way to reduce the crowds, the population continues to grow so no matter what they choose it will still be a junkshow in the cottonwoods. That isn't going to change.
A couple issues with LCC gondy to me is that there are going to be huge lines at the end of the day to get down especially with the current carry capacity and the planners don't seem to be thinking very far ahead. Neither proposal really does anything to address future issues, they are just ways to pack more people up the canyons.
They should just blow it out and make it so you can ride gondys all over the central wasatch instead of drive up canyons.
Yes, I feel dirty writing that.
Have they ever said why the operating costs of the shorter gondola from the LCC park and ride has higher yearly operating costs than the LaCaille option? Both options include bus from the mobility hubs so shouldn't be related to operating the bus links. Yet, the shorter park-n-ride gondola is $1.9m more per winter and $2m more per summer to operate? Doesn't make sense to me.
^^^That's a lot of cabbage, but good thinking. The cog rail failed because of cost.
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