WASATCH STOKE, CONDITIONS, OBSERVATIONS and ASSORTED DRIVAL 20-21

[skifishbum]

Y'all are smokin' crack.
I'll pass.

well yeah you will pass i could bareley keep up
ya ski way harder and faster and with more skill than the whole wasatch whine team combined
i texted the cat in the udot viddy
told him ganjolas, a lift up sup and they shouda put him skiin in the viddy ftw

i got a thumbs up

[Benneke10]

My guess (no insider info) is that the final as built gondola will have a greater uphill capacity than the eis study. Once the Olympic committee gets involved and the real money starts flowing I’d imagine there will be some changes.

Insiders that I know are talking about 5000 people per hour capacity being the likeliest outcome if the gondola is built

[Dantheman]

Insiders that I know are talking about 5000 people per hour capacity being the likeliest outcome if the gondola is built

That's crazy for a 8-mile run with 3,000 feet of elevation gain. The current and previous world record holders for longest gondola, Zlatibor Gold and Tianmen Shan, are both several miles shorter with less elevation gain and move ~1,000 ppl/hr. Under "References" you can see the stats for every 3S lift Doppelmayr has installed here: https://www.doppelmayr.com/products/3s-gondola-lift/ LCC would be the longest by 50%, and nothing comes close in terms of combined length/rise/capacity.

It's nice to know that we've spent millions and millions of dollars developing a complex EIS that is just a charade. When this is all said and done the gondola is going to cost well north of a billion dollars, probably?

[jtran10]

It's nice to know that we've spent millions and millions of dollars developing a complex EIS that is just a charade.

Utah!

But yea, if the capacity of either solution is expected to be vastly different than what they are presenting that would be helpful to know about during the comment period.

[zion zig zag]

Insiders that I know are talking about 5000 people per hour capacity being the likeliest outcome if the gondola is built

So if a half hour trip, 2500 people on the line at any given time? And that's if there is no one coming down? How long would an evac take in bad weather? Gah.

[Dantheman]

"So people could park at the structure or take a bus there, get a bite to eat at La Caille and grab their skis before they board the gondola."
https://www.ksl.com/article/50195567...ill-look-like-

Who doesn't enjoy a quick $200 breakfast while you wait to be whisked up the mountain, right?

[abraham]

The IOC guys won't have to pay for that breakfast.

[jackattack]

Gondola sounds like a great solution for businesses not for people. Sell more tickets. Sell more burgers. Monopolize public lands.

Thank god Snowbird will be "willing to help" with the funding.

[snowaddict91]

"So people could park at the structure or take a bus there, get a bite to eat at La Caille and grab their skis before they board the gondola."
https://www.ksl.com/article/50195567...ill-look-like-

Who doesn't enjoy a quick $200 breakfast while you wait to be whisked up the mountain, right?

Lol. Along time ago another mag and I discussed the idea of a mobility hub in Sandy with restaurants, hotels, gondola station, parking garage, etc. but then we remembered this ain't Europe.

[altacoup]

Lol. Along time ago another mag and I discussed the idea of a mobility hub in Sandy with restaurants, hotels, gondola station, parking garage, etc. but then we remembered this ain't Europe.

If you were both rich high ranking members of the cult, you’d probably have a decent chance of making that happen

[telefreewasatch]

well yeah you will pass i could bareley keep up
ya ski way harder and faster and with more skill than the whole wasatch whine team combined

With a compliment like that I hereby request that you teach me to put a worm on a hook.
Your venue...

[telefreewasatch]

That's crazy for a 8-mile run with 3,000 feet of elevation gain. The current and previous world record holders for longest gondola, Zlatibor Gold and Tianmen Shan, are both several miles shorter with less elevation gain and move ~1,000 ppl/hr. Under "References" you can see the stats for every 3S lift Doppelmayr has installed here: https://www.doppelmayr.com/products/3s-gondola-lift/ LCC would be the longest by 50%, and nothing comes close in terms of combined length/rise/capacity.

It's nice to know that we've spent millions and millions of dollars developing a complex EIS that is just a charade. When this is all said and done the gondola is going to cost well north of a billion dollars, probably?

There are 3 angles in the line meaning there are four lifts connected at the angles...

[F#*k you cat]

The proposed gondi station is on or near the Wasatch fault. Thinking the EIS missed that fact. Full disclosure I did not read it.


I haven't made up my mind but it would be cool to walk / bike to the gondi. Get up the canyon in a jiffy and not have to deal with all that traffic. Just saying


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[Dantheman]

There are 3 angles in the line meaning there are four lifts connected at the angles...

Well, officially that's still only for 1,050 ppl/hr. I'm certainly not saying you can't build a gondola that can move 5,000 people 8 miles and 3,000 vert every hour. I do feel pretty confident saying that it will cost a lot more than $500 million.

The proposed gondi station is on or near the Wasatch fault. Thinking the EIS missed that fact. Full disclosure I did not read it.

Nothing you can't solve with engineering and truckloads of money.

[NBABUCKS1]

In non LCC news Middle Bowl Chair at Snowbasin is becoming a 6 pack high speed.

Good upgrade but I wish they'd spend the money to put a lift out of strawberry either to the top of becker or to the saddled near the top of dans.

https://liftblog.com/2021/07/01/anot...hd7-F7rh0Rr7GU

[Boissal]

Well, officially that's still only for 1,050 ppl/hr. I'm certainly not saying you can't build a gondola that can move 5,000 people 8 miles and 3,000 vert every hour. I do feel pretty confident saying that it will cost a lot more than $500 million.

The end cost will be staggering. There have been multiple studies showing that large infrastructure projects in the US cost much more than in any other country with the same technical know-how. Counter-intuitive given the labor laws yet well established. If the gondola is built for the Olympics it will be accounting for a non-insignificant percentage of the final tally. Sochi was estimated at $50 billions. 'Murica can beat that.
The main benefit is that once you start looking at costs north of a billion adding an option to exit the fucker at White Pine is basically pocket change

[muted reborn]

In non LCC news Middle Bowl Chair at Snowbasin is becoming a 6 pack high speed.

Good upgrade but I wish they'd spend the money to put a lift out of strawberry either to the top of becker or to the saddled near the top of dans.

https://liftblog.com/2021/07/01/anot...hd7-F7rh0Rr7GU

Great! I do agree with a lift to Becker from Strawberry is badly needed though.

The main benefit is that once you start looking at costs north of a billion adding an option to exit the fucker at White Pine is basically pocket change

No one wants to stop and share their cabin with a buncha stinky tourers for a half hour.

[mall walker]

No one wants to stop and share their cabin with a buncha stinky tourers for a half hour.

I assumed they would add some sort of hammock-style conveyance hanging below the gondola proper for the unwashed and unpaying undesirables

[Boissal]

No one wants to stop and share their cabin with a buncha stinky tourers for a half hour.

That's fair. I think mallwalker solution is perfect, load the touring masses in nets below the actual cars. Drag them into the occasional tree, let them get frostbite, etc... Release the net at the trailhead and hope they land in the snowbank, not on the parking lot. If they do, well, they ain't paying so...

[Dantheman]

I haven't made up my mind but it would be cool to walk / bike to the gondi. Get up the canyon in a jiffy and not have to deal with all that traffic. Just saying.

Remember, under the bus alternative all buses are direct with a dedicated lane. From either mobility hub the bus will be ~20 minutes faster to Alta with only one transfer rather than 2-3.

Facts here:
https://littlecottonwoodeis.udot.uta...0_2020_FIN.pdf
https://littlecottonwoodeis.udot.uta...0_2020_FIN.pdf

If the gondola is built for the Olympics it will be accounting for a non-insignificant percentage of the final tally. Sochi was estimated at $50 billions. 'Murica can beat that.

While infrastructure costs in the US are baffling compared to other developed nations, I don't think we can compete with Russian corruption and how much of the infrastructure in Sochi was built de novo. Most of our venues already exist and are in good shape. The 2002 games cost $2.5 billion. Hosting another games was estimated at $1.35 billion two years ago (no gondola in that figure), and inflation alone will add $400 million by 2030. Might as well add on another billion and change just to be conservative and call it $3 billion total for the 2030 games. Conservatively estimating the gondola at $1 billion it's a +33% increase over the base cost of the games, and it could easily end up being half the cost of the entire games. "Non-insignificant percentage of the final tally" indeed.

For fun, let's do some more math. Under the current plan 30 35-passenger cabins per hour move 1,050 ppl/hr (2 minutes per cabin). To get to 3,000 ppl/hour you have to fill 86 cabins/hour, or one 35-passenger cabin every 42 seconds. 5,000 ppl/hour requires filling 143 cabins per hour, or one cabin every 25 seconds. That's one person through the doors every 0.7 seconds which just doesn't seem realistic. Even filling a cabin in 42 seconds seems optimistic AF when people are in ski boots and schlepping skis and other gear.

[Dantheman]

I assumed they would add some sort of hammock-style conveyance hanging below the gondola proper for the unwashed and unpaying undesirables

[oldskibum]

LUDDITES UNITE!!!

[CirqueScaler]

I'm heading up to Idaho for nine days to do a WFR in Sun Valley. Hoping to camp most of the nights - does anyone have a robust, hard-sided cooler that I could use to store food for my trip? Would really appreciate any hookup. Looks like REI and Costco might be out.

Leaving Thursday afternoon.

[tgapp]

I'm heading up to Idaho for nine days to do a WFR in Sun Valley. Hoping to camp most of the nights - does anyone have a robust, hard-sided cooler that I could use to store food for my trip? Would really appreciate any hookup. Looks like REI and Costco might be out.

Leaving Thursday afternoon.

yeh I got you

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[baron]

The more I read and think about it, a Gondola seems like a bad idea.

>They don't want it running in off season...when it could potentially make up some of its costs with tourism.

>Gondola will not help traffic on the 1 lane mess we call Wasatch blvd. The road needs two lanes between big and little and all the way up LCC & BCC. Many people would use wasatch to get to the gondola, or be forced to commute through Sandy because wasatch blvd. is a parking lot.

*... Some European Style Tunnels at main avalanche points on the road below snowbird.*
...On a summer note/a dedicated bike lane couldn't hurt too.

>Costs of projects like this are often double what they are projected... Ever hear of the california speed train between san fran and L A? ...the estimated 12 billion got them less than 1/2 way complete/project stalled.

... Imagine the road, bus and parking improvements we could do with 1-2 billion dollars(which is what is really needed 1st,before a Gondola.

>side note/La Caille has been bankrupt before;this kind of looks like a subsidy for elitists that can't control their spending.

>Busses seem pretty decent when there's parking available. Just need more parking spots at the bus stops.. and some more busses on busy days (maybe have some drivers on call for those big snow days, and double route coverage at canyon's mouths )
No reason we can't add parking garages to multiply capacity.

At this point, many people don't consider the bus because there's no where to park on powder days-all the spots are gone by 8am,usually much earlier. On non powder days its not a huge issue. Weekends could use the option either way, weekends are getting super crowded.

We may need incentives to get more people on busses...like some shopping centers do with their parking pass discounts. 15-20% discounts seem reasonable...even include lift tickets to that.

Add the ski racks to the busses too-people stuck standing; holding a pair of skis and poles while standing on a moving bus is not cool.

>Gondola does not help BCC... and people are parking outside the resorts there, all up and down the road.
Bus idea helps both canyons ,and the Gondola idea is a big F U to BCC.