Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[riser4]

Now that we don't have to pay for secret service to rent rooms at Trump properties, there will be some extra money lying around. Should cover any increase in budgets for CDC and other agencies that are working to prevent the next pandemic.

Ha. Sadly we are still paying for him to rent out rooms to his security detail, just not as much.

[MontuckyFried]

The evidence that it wasn’t just the flu never nipped the “it’s just the flu” argument.

I know you keep harping on this point, so let me set the record straight. If I ever said it was anything like the flu, it was because I was just repeating what pretty much all the mainstream media and health officials were telling us at the time early on. As soon as our scientists and health officials learned more, I took it more seriously. What's the last time you've heard me say it's "just the flu"? But hey, keep pushing that false narrative there, benny.

Perhaps this will jog your memory:

Winter 2019 and into early Spring 2020, this was much of the narrative that was being pushed. Sorry to burst your bubble. It wasn't just Trumpians saying this sort of thing.

Besides, as to the whole "just the flu" thing to begin with. Just ask KQ. The just the flu can totally suck ass and wreck your world. Flu is nothing to downplay or take lightly.

[jono]

all the mainstream media and health officials

I’m his best friend IRL and even I have him on ignore...

Ok, yeah, I get it.

[MultiVerse]

Last year COVID was 27 times more deadly than the flu. There was no way to know that in the beginning so it's no surprise lots of people initially got lots of things wrong. The important thing is whether folks adapted as new information came to light or contorted themselves into idiotic variations of it's just the flu. Among the most common variations was to downplay the coronavirus’ impact by claiming the virus was already widespread and so herd immunity is the answer. For a certain group 'it's just the flu' never went away.

[old_newguy]

Montucky would make a great politician. His obfuscation and deflection game is strong.

[Meadow Skipper]

Read that Atlantic article. Some great stuff in there, but this one quote really sums up a lot of the recent discussion here.
“Scientists can live with uncertainty. Politics abhors it.”

A lot of people don’t get that.

[MontuckyFried]

Anybody remember when THIS was the narrative?:

Top disease official [Fauci]: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ds/4787209002/
Disease Expert [Fauci]: Flu a Bigger Risk in the US Than Coronavirus
https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/...an-coronavirus

Pepperidge Farms remembers. So, excuse those of us who maybe thought it wasn't the biggest deal in the world early on. I'm just one of the few here with a memory longer than a goldfish to remember what our health experts and media at large were saying at the time.

[MontuckyFried]

For a certain group 'it's just the flu' never went away.

Who here is still saying that? I haven't been.

[old_newguy]

Montucky could be a politician. His obfuscation and deflection game is marginally better than a current bottom tier House politician.

FIFMS.

[TBS]

And the answer is: Negative.

Congrats on flunking your test

Damn unwashed masses. I was nicely tucked up in my mask. No colds, no flu, no Covid then the powers that be said "throw off the yoke of oppression!" so I did and what do I get for it? Sick.

[emoji40]

Well, you did your part in The Great ‘Mercian Reopening. The economy salutes you!

[Meadow Skipper]

Did you read that Atlantic article MF?

[The AD]

I know you keep harping on this point, so let me set the record straight. If I ever said it was anything like the flu, it was because I was just repeating what pretty much all the mainstream media and health officials were telling us at the time early on.

This isn't how I remember it. Early on people actually took this seriously. It was only after a couple weeks of virtual quarantine that morans came out with the "just the flu" BS. I certainly never heard mainstream media or major health official parroting this.

[Kinnikinnick]

Anybody remember when THIS was the narrative?:

Top disease official [Fauci]: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ds/4787209002/
Disease Expert [Fauci]: Flu a Bigger Risk in the US Than Coronavirus
https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/...an-coronavirus

Pepperidge Farms remembers. So, excuse those of us who maybe thought it wasn't the biggest deal in the world early on. I'm just one of the few here with a memory longer than a goldfish to remember what our health experts and media at large were saying at the time.

Do you expect public health officials to be 100% correct, all of the time?

Yeah bullshit disingenuous arguments, but you ARE a “conservative.”


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[Mofro261]

Who here is still saying that? I haven't been.

Memory not so good after all eh?

[MontuckyFried]

This isn't how I remember it. Early on people actually took this seriously.

Seriously? Well, allow me to repeat myself from right above. Visit those articles and watch the vid:

Top disease official [Fauci]: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ds/4787209002/
Disease Expert [Fauci]: Flu a Bigger Risk in the US Than Coronavirus
https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/...an-coronavirus

[MontuckyFried]

Did you read that Atlantic article MF?

I did. I know the author and he's done some great work in the past. Although I think there's a lot of truth to it, I also think the entire premise is only partially true, as I'm not totally convinced the argument is as purely Trumpian as he's purporting. One thing he said at the end stuck out to me, though: "And if the Chinese state has more culpability for the pandemic than acknowledged to date, that is one hell of a real-world problem." So even he gets that.

[Meadow Skipper]

^ Whoosh...

[MultiVerse]

Who here is still saying that? I haven't been.

But you did support lots of 'variations' like it's just old people dying with COVID, not from COVID.

[MontuckyFried]

And the answer is: Negative.

Did they test for influenza as well?

If not, then it kind of proves a previous assertion I've made: that flu numbers may be falsely "down" as so many people these days seem to get a Covid test and when they're negative, they're like "Welp! Good to go!"

If you DID get a flu test and that's negative too, then please still don't be so sure about being able to go to the store to get your bananas, because who knows what you have. As we've been trained over the course of the last year, when you have ANY symptoms, it's best to hole up for a while. As much as I'm not a fan of many of the COVID precautions, that's one that 100% makes the most sense. Running a fever and hacking up a lung? Then indeed, please keep yo' ass at home.

[MontuckyFried]

But you did support lots of 'variations' like it's just old people dying with COVID, not from COVID.

I have? When? I HAVE talked about the issue of comorbidities, which the CDC's data totally backs up. Am I wrong on that? If so, please explain if you'd like to go against the mountains of data accumulated on age demos, comorbidities and COVID. Please. Enlighten me.

[jono]

Please. Enlighten me.

Ok, that was funny

[MultiVerse]

Here's an example of MontuckyFried arguing in favor of the herd immunity variation of it's just like the flu. Note the 'what, me worry' symbol at the end ¯\_(ツ)_/¯:

Well.... yes. Have you ever heard of herd immunity? Perhaps you're not familiar with the term, so here ya go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

Like it or not, eventually damn near everyone's going to have it run through their systems at SOME point. Really not a matter of if anymore, but rather when. Might take a few years, but eventually we're going to have "COVID season" incorporated alongside cold and flu season. It's gonna suck, it already does suck, but it is what it is. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have? When? I HAVE talked about the issue of comorbidities, which the CDC's data totally backs up. Am I wrong on that? If so, please explain if you'd like to go against the mountains of data accumulated on age demos, comorbidities and COVID. Please. Enlighten me.

You argued that since only old people are affected (something that isn't true) old people should be segregated while the rest of the population goes about their business as if nothing out of the ordinary was happening.

[Meadow Skipper]

Ok, that was funny

<snork>

[The AD]

Seriously? Well, allow me to repeat myself from right above. Visit those articles and watch the vid:

Top disease official [Fauci]: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ds/4787209002/
Disease Expert [Fauci]: Flu a Bigger Risk in the US Than Coronavirus
https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/...an-coronavirus

Well, by "early" I was thinking once community transmission was identified here in the U.S. I agree the messaging shifted massively after that happened. Things shut down quite quickly.

[skaredshtles]

Well, by "early" I was thinking once it was identified here in the U.S. I agree the messaging shifted massively after that happened. Things shut down quite quickly.

This. In late February I took a trip to Taos NM with a buddy (we even hung out/skied with Meadow Skipper). Wasn't even really a topic of conversation...

Less than 3 weeks later pretty much everything was shut down.