Shit that annoys you

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Clickbait headlines in my newsfeed like:

"We want to retire to a small mountain town on $18,000 a year — where should we go?"

I can think of a few where you could retire on that


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[::: :::]

in a van down by the river?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

in a van down by the river?

Mountain town doesn’t always mean ski town


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[old goat]

Mountain town doesn’t always mean ski town


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Or North America

[bobz]

How about people leaving a parking lot with a nice wide exit--people who want to turn left out of the lot but from as far right as possible so you can't exit right until they go. Or at a side street with a stop sign--they could be towards the left and leave plenty of room for a car to turn into the street and for a car behind them to turn right.

I think, technically, a lot of those sneak-right scenarios are illegal, because you're passing on the right without doing so in a different proper lane. (Not sure if that law applies pulling out of a private parking lot, but that's a separate issue.) But it's widespread behavior, in my state anyway, usually both helpful and harmless to different surrounding drivers. I'll try not to do that sort of thing if I have a cop near me, but otherwise, sure, if it looks reasonable do it.

There are scenarios where it's more iffy (passing multiple cars along curb non-lane to make a right, where things might get weird if the light turns green during the maneuver, particularly if one of the cars I'm scooting past also decided to turn right); sometimes it's good to just breathe and wait a bit rather than take a tiny risk of getting into a minor accident and being at fault.

[riser4]

Not to mention blocking other people's view. How do you scofflaws sleep at night?

[old goat]

I think, technically, a lot of those sneak-right scenarios are illegal, because you're passing on the right without doing so in a different proper lane. (Not sure if that law applies pulling out of a private parking lot, but that's a separate issue.) But it's widespread behavior, in my state anyway, usually both helpful and harmless to different surrounding drivers. I'll try not to do that sort of thing if I have a cop near me, but otherwise, sure, if it looks reasonable do it.

There are scenarios where it's more iffy (passing multiple cars along curb non-lane to make a right, where things might get weird if the light turns green during the maneuver, particularly if one of the cars I'm scooting past also decided to turn right); sometimes it's good to just breathe and wait a bit rather than take a tiny risk of getting into a minor accident and being at fault.

How about getting stuck behind a line of traffic not moving, heading to the lumber yard a few hundred yards ahead on the left, so driving that few hundred yards on the left dirt shoulder. The cop didn't like it, but I got off with a warning.

[bobz]

Not to mention blocking other people's view. How do you scofflaws sleep at night?

Heh. As I noted, there are situations where the right-turn-sneak is reasonable, and others where it's problematic; I get the sense that you're envisioning stuff more of the latter category. Could also be about differing local population densities; around here, people doing their small parts to maintain some kind of flow leaving the Costco is always appreciated, and we get our views too.

[riser4]

Heh. As I noted, there are situations where the right-turn-sneak is reasonable, and others where it's problematic; I get the sense that you're envisioning stuff more of the latter category. Could also be about differing local population densities; around here, people doing their small parts to maintain some kind of flow leaving the Costco is always appreciated, and we get our views too.

Everything around here is tight and most people drive an F150. So I can't fucking see if one does the right hand sneak.

[old goat]

People who fail to get as far to the right as possible before making a right turn. Good way to kill a cyclist or hit a car making the turn legally.

[paulster2626]

Ski thief's and their shitty ways.

People who steal shit in general.

Another thing that annoys me is people who blame victims of theft. Leave your car open by accident one night, and someone goes in and steals shit out of it - people will say "well it's your fault for leaving it unlocked."

No, you should actually be able to leave your shit all over the place right out in the open without someone taking it, because THEY are the wrongdoers. I get that you can't reliably do so, but that's not the point. It's not someone's fault if someone else does something shitty to them, is my point.

[Jax]

Can't skin up the local hill with my dog in the off-season. Total bullshit. Fuck you Steamboat Resort. What's next? Banning hiking on the mountain with your dog in the summertime? Would not surprise me.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

People who are always in a hurry, rushing somewhere. There’s really nothing that requires this amount of urgency. Real emergencies excepted, but that’s a vanishingly small percentage of these people.


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[old goat]

People who are always in a hurry, rushing somewhere. There’s really nothing that requires this amount of urgency. Real emergencies excepted, but that’s a vanishingly small percentage of these people.


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Me being one of those people annoys me.

[mtnjam]

People who are always in a hurry, rushing somewhere. There’s really nothing that requires this amount of urgency. Real emergencies excepted, but that’s a vanishingly small percentage of these people.

You mean like people accelerating at a stop light and tailgating others just to get to the next red light? Trust me, Boise doesn't exactly time their stop lights well.

[GiBo]

I don't know what crazy state laws you guys live under, but turning right next to a car that is going straight or turning left is legal in California. As long as you stay on the roadway.

[old_newguy]

People who fail to get as far to the right as possible before making a right turn. Good way to kill a cyclist or hit a car making the turn legally.

Are you talking about turning from the left lane on a road with two lanes going the same direction or moving right into the shoulder or bike lane to turn right?

The bottom line about all of this is that you are typically supposed to make your turn from the vehicle travel lane, not from the shoulder or bike lane or some other imaginary lane you have made up to suit your needs.

[riser4]

Just don't block my fucking view so that I may be able to conduct my travel safely and quickly without having to blindly pull into traffic or wait for you to get out of my fucking way. Slowing down my travel so that you don't have to wait for me to go is next level selfish bullshit. If you can do it in a legal manner without compromising anyone's safety and without slowing me down then I'll shut up. In practice, there's a lot of assholes and horrible sight lines where I live. So I get pretty worked up when folks are appearing to condone what I deal with.

[old_newguy]

Just don't block my fucking view so that I may be able to conduct my travel safely and quickly without having to blindly pull into traffic or wait for you to get out of my fucking way. Slowing down my travel so that you don't have to wait for me to go is next level selfish bullshit. If you can do it in a legal manner without compromising anyone's safety and without slowing me down then I'll shut up. In practice, there's a lot of assholes and horrible sight lines where I live. So I get pretty worked up when folks are appearing to condone what I deal with.

I block the right turners if I am taking a left across unsignaled traffic every time unless they have a designated lane.

My wife is often baffled that I tend to take a right, and go around the block or turn around somewhere instead of turning left across traffic. Definitely one of the most dangerous turning movements you can make.

[riser4]

I block the right turners if I am taking a left across unsignaled traffic every time unless they have a designated lane.

My wife is often baffled that I tend to take a right, and go around the block or turn around somewhere instead of turning left across traffic. Definitely one of the most dangerous turning movements you can make.

I try to. I've seen an F150 drive up on a curb to get around me on the right while I was trying to turn left out of a side street with limited visibility and cross walks.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I block the right turners if I am taking a left across unsignaled traffic every time unless they have a designated lane.

My wife is often baffled that I tend to take a right, and go around the block or turn around somewhere instead of turning left across traffic. Definitely one of the most dangerous turning movements you can make.

I’m so used to my driving habits now I take certain routes so I won’t have to turn left across traffic and don’t even think about doing it. People will ask why I drive a certain way and all I can say is that it’s safer.


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[spanky]

My wife is often baffled that I tend to take a right, and go around the block or turn around somewhere instead of turning left across traffic. Definitely one of the most dangerous turning movements you can make.

And, according to UPS, not very efficient either…

ORION: The algorithm proving that left isn't right: https://www.ups.com/us/en/services/k...e?kid=aa3710c2

[bobz]

And, according to UPS, not very efficient either…

The reason why avoiding left turns works out so well for UPS is that their algorithm isn't just for getting from Point A to Point B; it's for getting from Point A and back to Point A while visiting points B,C,D,E,F, and so on, in whatever order is closest to optimal. In computer science, it's known as the "traveling salesman problem", which, with enough different points, tends to have many near-optimal solutions (the absolute optimum becoming increasingly elusive as the data set grows). Thus, if getting from Point F to Point G requires (optimally) a couple of left turns, a larger solution, that seems as good or better overall, can probably be found that never requires doing F and G in that order.

[Buster Highmen]

I block the right turners if I am taking a left across unsignaled traffic every time unless they have a designated lane.

Good to know. Something I deal with on the regular whose logic still mystifies me, so I assume it's just the oblivious who do this.

In the absence of other traffic oncoming from the left or other inline traffic, I fail to understand how this increases safety.

On the other hand, taking a series of rights instead of a left when feasible makes sense to me.

[old_newguy]

Good to know. Something I deal with on the regular whose logic still mystifies me, so I assume it's just the oblivious who do this.

In the absence of other traffic oncoming from the left or other inline traffic, I fail to understand how this increases safety.

On the other hand, taking a series of rights instead of a left when feasible makes sense to me.

It’s very simple.

The right turning vehicle often blocks my view of traffic coming from the right. This makes my left turning movement more dangerous because I can’t see oncoming traffic in the manner the intersection was designed (sight distances) and I often end up missing opportunities to turn left. This of course only applies when cross traffic is not stop or signal controlled.

If traffic volumes are low, this is a non-issue as I will clear the intersection in very little time. If volume is high then the driver who is turning left will often have an obscured view to the right causing them to miss turning opportunities and maybe make a turn when there isn’t enough space.