Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD aka Hawk Extended aka HawX

[Stewy30]

Two separate questions

1: if I want to try out two straps, one is XL voile, one is standard cam, which should go on the outer layer?

2: for inbounds, has anyone skied the Hawx with a non-touring liner? Say Intuition pro wrap? I want a little more oomph for inbound days

I use intuition powerwrap plug for inbounds with hawx xtd. Similar in volume to tour wrap IMO. Definitely notice an uptick in performance, but lower volume in the end of the toe box, I really wish it was taller.

[Benneke10]

IMO anytime someone is gluing shit all over a liner it sez to me wrong boot for the foot in question or wrong size boot

Your instinct makes sense but the Hawx XTD is the lowest volume boot of its kind and its not close, and a lot of us have to make due.

[XXX-er]

Hai ya, you are schooling a highly opinionated small azn man whose feet don't fit mens models of most boots on low volume ?

[Benneke10]

if the Hawx has too much volume where else is there to go?

[XXX-er]

just blame intuition i guess

[abraham]

Question for people who know more about boot sole standards. Can I use these in a pair of look zrs?

[dangerdad]

I ski mine with a pro tongue inbounds and they are quite stiff. I'm 200# and make up for technique with power.
I've loved this boot and am on season 3. They've been my only boot and have done many a cascade volcano.
I'm likely bringing them up Denali this spring - just need to find a 29.5 pair!
Thanks for making a fav Manser! (it's Will from skirack days)

[Dromond]

if the Hawx has too much volume where else is there to go?

Some people have extremely low volume feet. This is especially a problem for touring where you need to walk all day and can’t really downsize due to length. I tried to use the next size down Hawx for touring and it was just too short - I would have had to cut my toes off to be comfortable all day. Anyways that’s how I ended up with a pro wrap for touring because otherwise the foam is too thin in the heel area and I can feel the shell on the skin track.

I do love the precise ski feel of the Plug Wrap while keeping the thermo forming and a little comfort. I do need to use a stack of boot board shims with that to reduce vertical volume because it is thinner. It absorbs less vibration/impact than the thicker intuition liners but I can get the buckles super tight because it is thin and dense, which results in insane heel hold.

[XXX-er]

I use a pwrwrap/ SOLE in a vulcan, more than a few people had issues with the instep on a vulcan which worked great for small skiny low volume feet and they were unisex down to size 22

the SOLE or some other off the shelf foot bed is a great was to take up volume IME

[JakkeJ]

I got 2017/18 25/25.5 XTD 130s, and I'm fed up with the stock liners now, and I'm looking towards Intuition Pro Tour. When skinning or standing straight, I can feel my toe touch the front of the liner, just barely, though, if anything the sizing is perfect for me.

But it's cold, really cold.

So, how are Atomic shells sized, whole or half size? In other terms, do I go up to 26 or down to 25 in Pro Tour? I haven't checked my shell to heel gap yet, so I'm not entirely sure about LV or MV, but I think LV is where I will end up. Any advice, seeing my toes touch the front in the stock Atomic liners?

[Lord Thomas]

the toe box in the original XTD 130 liners was freakishly tiny. I've dropped a number of different liners in mine and had much more comfort in the toe area. The stock liner makes the boot feel much smaller than the shell allows. Right now I'm interviewing Intuition Plug Race liners that are feeling better in the toes but not taking up enough volume in the ankles compared to stock. Also thinking about Luxury and Pro Tour LV's. These boots need a stiff tongue. MV intuitions don't work for me as the cuff is too snug and I can't get the shell closed properly. Tried a tour wrap and it was worse than the tongue liners for filling up the cuff.

[aanev]

I've tried the following liners in my original XTD 130's:
1. OEM - a little short and the sole is thicker. Not very durable. Does not work for my feet;
2. Intuition Luxury MV - a little short if not upsized. Heel lift. Thick sole that does not work well with custom insoles.
3. Intuition Tour Wrap - stiffens the boot a bit. Excellent heel hold. OK-ish for touring. Thin sole that works well with custom insoles. Would upsize, despite the recommendation from Intuition. Good liners.
4. Atomic Gold Liner from XTD 120 - so far the best. Excellent heel hold. Progressive feel, shock absorption, nice durability. I personally prefer it over the Intuitions.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

I have a snug fit. I use LV Pro Tours with the thicker tongue.

[JakkeJ]

I have a snug fit. I use LV Pro Tours with the thicker tongue.

From what I've gathered, you can get two different tongues, one stiffer than the other, and both come in MV and HV thickness.
The more flexible is the one that comes with the liners, and I bet it would tour better than the stiffer one, but not ride as well.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

From what I've gathered, you can get two different tongues, one stiffer than the other, and both come in MV and HV thickness.
The more flexible is the one that comes with the liners, and I bet it would tour better than the stiffer one, but not ride as well.

I think that's right. My liners came second hand. They came with a thin, soft tongue, and a thick, stiff tongue. I could not feel a big difference in range of motion between the tongues. If I tried the ticker tongue in my F1's I'm sure I would feel some restriction, but the walk mode on those is much smoother than the XTDs. With the XTDs I think the shell is more restrictive than the liners. The thicker tongue skied better. The only place where the clog isn't quite snug on me is the instep, so the thicker tongue just fit better too.

[bean]

I ski mine with a pro tongue inbounds and they are quite stiff. I'm 200# and make up for technique with power.
I've loved this boot and am on season 3. They've been my only boot and have done many a cascade volcano.
I'm likely bringing them up Denali this spring - just need to find a 29.5 pair!
Thanks for making a fav Manser! (it's Will from skirack days)

If you're getting a new boot just for Denali get something lighter and more appropriate. If you want to take hawx a more walking-oriented Intuition plus 40below overboots might do the trick, it did for me with just taking my normal boots and I have cold feet.

[margotron]

cant stand tongue liners. just a personal thing. skied for years and they always bothered me; never felt locked into my shin like overlap wrap liners. maybe it's time to try them again. the tour wrap works great for me volume wise (while touring, leaves some to be desired inbounds). the pro wrap has too much volume in the toe for me, even unbuckled. bummer. still dont have the perfect inbounds liner.

maybe time to spring for a regular hawx inbounds. or go back to my dalbello kryptons inbounds. those have an infinite number of tweaks available

[WhetherMan]

I ski mine with a pro tongue inbounds and they are quite stiff. I'm 200# and make up for technique with power.
I've loved this boot and am on season 3. They've been my only boot and have done many a cascade volcano.
I'm likely bringing them up Denali this spring - just need to find a 29.5 pair!
Thanks for making a fav Manser! (it's Will from skirack days)

I've got a pair of 29.5s that I need to move. If you're interested shoot me a pm, I'll give you details

[goolick]

I got 2017/18 25/25.5 XTD 130s, and I'm fed up with the stock liners now, and I'm looking towards Intuition Pro Tour. When skinning or standing straight, I can feel my toe touch the front of the liner, just barely, though, if anything the sizing is perfect for me.

But it's cold, really cold.

So, how are Atomic shells sized, whole or half size? In other terms, do I go up to 26 or down to 25 in Pro Tour? I haven't checked my shell to heel gap yet, so I'm not entirely sure about LV or MV, but I think LV is where I will end up. Any advice, seeing my toes touch the front in the stock Atomic liners?

I have 29.5s and with the stock liner my big toes were dangerously tight, i.e. I frequently felt them bumping up against the shell (or maybe just the liner, not sure?). I now have pro tour LVs in size 30 and have no issues in the toebox at all.

[Dromond]

cant stand tongue liners. just a personal thing. skied for years and they always bothered me; never felt locked into my shin like overlap wrap liners. maybe it's time to try them again. the tour wrap works great for me volume wise (while touring, leaves some to be desired inbounds). the pro wrap has too much volume in the toe for me, even unbuckled. bummer. still dont have the perfect inbounds liner.

maybe time to spring for a regular hawx inbounds. or go back to my dalbello kryptons inbounds. those have an infinite number of tweaks available

Have you tried the Plug wrap style? It’s lower volume than the pro wrap but skis really nice inbounds.

I feel the same way about wrap liners - I’ve never been 100% happy with a tongue liner. Tough to say why but I think the fit around the lower shin is just way tighter for me somehow.

[JakkeJ]

I have 29.5s and with the stock liner my big toes were dangerously tight, i.e. I frequently felt them bumping up against the shell (or maybe just the liner, not sure?). I now have pro tour LVs in size 30 and have no issues in the toebox at all.

Interesting. I would say mine aren't tight in the toe box at all, except MAYBE at the outside of the foot behind the toe. From what I've heard, when you string yourself up in the boots, you should feel the toe barely touching the front of the liner. When you ski you push your heels back and toes also move back and away from the liner. But there is a fine line between barely touching and f**king your toe nails up. My conclusion is that I got really lucky with the size on first try on my first pair of touring boots. It was also the only pair they had left of any touring boots (at all, it was mid-July 2018 in Norway!) with a proper alpine toe so I could use them in my Shifts and old frame bindings.

EDIT: Point being, maybe LV will be a tad too roomy, but in that case I have a feeling MV would be too tight again.

[margotron]

Have you tried the Plug wrap style? It’s lower volume than the pro wrap but skis really nice inbounds.

I feel the same way about wrap liners - I’ve never been 100% happy with a tongue liner. Tough to say why but I think the fit around the lower shin is just way tighter for me somehow.

i have not! I'll check it out

[XXX-er]

Have you tried the Plug wrap style? It’s lower volume than the pro wrap but skis really nice inbounds.

I feel the same way about wrap liners - I’ve never been 100% happy with a tongue liner. Tough to say why but I think the fit around the lower shin is just way tighter for me somehow.

any liner with a tongue even the Intuitions hurt my medial cuniform ( bone on the top inside of foot), the seams or the hinge or whatever is always in the wrong spot on top of my high arch but the power wraps do not hurt

also you can get a better fit around the ankle

I use them for in bounds & touring, yeah maybe they don't tour as well but they don't hurt either

[JakkeJ]

https://i.imgur.com/zN0bsB5.jpg

3cm gap, that means Pro Tour MV, but I'm a bit worried about the width. My last width is 95 and 97, less than the Ultra XTD, but I had to block the shells out at the pinky toe still.

Any thoughts?

These are 25/25.5, which means my shell is 25.5.

[GoldenBC]

https://i.imgur.com/zN0bsB5.jpg

3cm gap, that means Pro Tour MV, but I'm a bit worried about the width. My last width is 95 and 97, less than the Ultra XTD, but I had to block the shells out at the pinky toe still.

Any thoughts?

These are 25/25.5, which means my shell is 25.5.

Personally, I’d try one size smaller boot. Your boots are too big. Depending on the volume of your ankle, I’d go for a high volume liner in there. Intuitions will compress a lot during molding and will pack out quite a bit over time. Also, intuition foam gets very soft while skiing because of the heat generated.

Technically he last of your 25 is 96mm at that size. But don’t stress about those numbers. The important thing is your foot is very skinny. Just because you had to adjust for your pinky toe, doesn’t mean the shell is tight fitting. It just happens to running in that wrong spot. Also worth noting, everything about a 25 and 25.5 is the same. Shell and liner.