Nordica Enforcers - TGR-Enough for Their Own Thread

[CaliBrit]

Cross post from gear swap, I'm on the hunt for 185cm Enforcer 110s.

I'm pretty convinced that's the right length, everything I've ever skied has fallen in the 181-186cm range. Most recently 186cm Rossignol S3s. I travel to ski so I'm picturing using them to hunt out stashes late in the powder day, and all day the day after, and the day after that, which involves a lot of scraped out gullies and tight trees regardless of location. Anyone want to back up my assessment? I'm 6'1" 155lbs, finesse skier.

Shoot Ptex1 an email. If he has some he will see you right.

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d.php?t=334492

[birdboatboy]

Shoot Ptex1 an email. If he has some he will see you right.

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d.php?t=334492

Righteo, already checked and he's sold out in that size. I've found a couple places to pick them up new for ~$500, but checking here for used first.

[CaliBrit]

Righteo, already checked and he's sold out in that size. I've found a couple places to pick them up new for ~$500, but checking here for used first.

Ah damn. As a reference I’m 5’10” 165 and ski the 191. Go big man

[phatty]

If you decide to go 191cm, I have a new pair I'm letting go.

[Bandit Man]

Finally got a chance to ski the Enforcer 104 Free in the 191-cm length.

I feel like the 191 is the ski I wanted the 186 104 Free to be. They are just a little more stable at speed and a less locked into the radius of the ski, which is 19.5-m versus 18.5 on the 186-cm length.

Compared to the 191 Enforcer 110, the 191 104 Free is quicker edge-to-edge (not surprising) and feels like it just wants to go fast while still maintaining that Enforcer accessibility and forgiveness. the 191 104 Free is also more fun and energetic than the 191 110.

If you thought the 191 Enforcer 110 was a little to dead and not responsive enough, but still want that "Enforcer feel", give the 104 Free a try in the longest length. It is a very versatile ski...probably the most versatile of all the Enforcer skis, IMO.

[Beder]

^^^^ Yeah I'm just slightly disappointed in my 104's in 179. I'm on the 185/186 E93 and E110 but couldn't get the longer 104 when I bought. I'll be looking to swap them out here soon.

[old goat]

I have 93's--bought new in the wrapper. On a couple of warm days I've had them stick on flats. They're properly waxed--universal. The factory base grind. I'm used to skis sticking in the spring--I hate the feeling and usually finishes me for the day--but never in February. Has anyone else noticed a problem with the factory grind (they're dead flat btw) or is the problem global warming. I'm not looking for a spring structure because that will suck when it's cold, just wondering if a new midwinter grind would be better. If the problem is global warming what's the solution for that?

[AK47bp]

I have 93's--bought new in the wrapper. On a couple of warm days I've had them stick on flats. They're properly waxed--universal. The factory base grind. I'm used to skis sticking in the spring--I hate the feeling and usually finishes me for the day--but never in February. Has anyone else noticed a problem with the factory grind (they're dead flat btw) or is the problem global warming. I'm not looking for a spring structure because that will suck when it's cold, just wondering if a new midwinter grind would be better. If the problem is global warming what's the solution for that?

Are you still using plastic straws?


Could be the issue.


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[Bushwacka]

I have 93's--bought new in the wrapper. On a couple of warm days I've had them stick on flats. They're properly waxed--universal. The factory base grind. I'm used to skis sticking in the spring--I hate the feeling and usually finishes me for the day--but never in February. Has anyone else noticed a problem with the factory grind (they're dead flat btw) or is the problem global warming. I'm not looking for a spring structure because that will suck when it's cold, just wondering if a new midwinter grind would be better. If the problem is global warming what's the solution for that?

All of my new Enforcers have been very slow from the factory, they also have all been railed.

I am glad to have MMSC nearby to do world class tunes.

[CaliBrit]

All of my new Enforcers have been very slow from the factory, they also have all been railed.

I am glad to have MMSC nearby to do world class tunes.

Do you pay them half with the rest promised in two weeks?

[STLHD]

All of my new Enforcers have been very slow from the factory, they also have all been railed.

I am glad to have MMSC nearby to do world class tunes.

Maybe you need to do more pullups

[dcpnz]

All of my new Enforcers have been very slow from the factory, they also have all been railed.

None of my Enforcers (or wife’s Santa Ana’s) have been railed and I’ve never noticed any glide issues. Maybe I need to be a self-aggrandizing, know-it-all prick to get those special features. Karma.

[kc_7777]

Haha, I’m same as above.

My Enforcer 104s were great right from the start. Good glide, no railing.

My wife just got new Santa Ana 104s and they look fine too.

[old goat]

So one vote for bad structure, 2 votes for global warming. Too bad--easier to fix bad structure. Guess I need to start recycling more.

[nickwm21]

Finally got a chance to ski the Enforcer 104 Free in the 191-cm length.

I feel like the 191 is the ski I wanted the 186 104 Free to be. They are just a little more stable at speed and a less locked into the radius of the ski, which is 19.5-m versus 18.5 on the 186-cm length.

Compared to the 191 Enforcer 110, the 191 104 Free is quicker edge-to-edge (not surprising) and feels like it just wants to go fast while still maintaining that Enforcer accessibility and forgiveness. the 191 104 Free is also more fun and energetic than the 191 110.

If you thought the 191 Enforcer 110 was a little to dead and not responsive enough, but still want that "Enforcer feel", give the 104 Free a try in the longest length. It is a very versatile ski...probably the most versatile of all the Enforcer skis, IMO.

Can you compare the E104F to the K108? Are those even in the same category?


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[Bushwacka]

None of my Enforcers (or wife’s Santa Ana’s) have been railed and I’ve never noticed any glide issues. Maybe I need to be a self-aggrandizing, know-it-all prick to get those special features. Karma.

You probably just havent skied on an actual flat ski with a good base grind, or are a good enough skier to tell the difference.

[CaliBrit]

You probably just havent skied on an actual flat ski with a good base grind, or are a good enough skier to tell the difference.

Dude. Can you just pick one thread to cunt up instead of all of them. Please?

[stealurface831]

Dude. Can you just pick one thread to cunt up instead of all of them. Please?

he was doing a pretty good job in the boot flex thread. he should stick to it.

[Bandit Man]

Can you compare the E104F to the K108? Are those even in the same category?


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Aside from being both being 10X width skis and both having a metal/wood/carbon layup, they feel really different.

Both are very versatile skis, but the E104F will appeal to a wider range of skiers. The Enforcer is well mannered and very accessible. It carves easily, handles a fairly high speed (but has a limit), and has a tail that can be broken loose easily. They are pretty good floaters in powder for a 104 waist and ski loose in deep snow despite the 18.5-19.5-m radius (mainly due to the generous rocker profile). The Enforcer also has a playful versus charger nature, which lends to its fun factor and versatility.

The Katana is just more or everything that the Enforcer is, except rocker. It’s noticeably stiffer, more damp, and just craves speed. It has a longer running length, but somehow feels as loose (I think looser than) the Enforcer in deep snow. I think the Katana rails harder than the Enforcer but this may be because it handles speed and variable conditions better. I don’t think the Katana has a speed limit...at least I haven’t found it yet...and I only ski the 184. The Katana has better float but needs a little speed to make that happen.

The Enforcer is the ski that Rossignol told people the Soul 7 was supposed to be in their marketing material. It is probably the best do-it-all ski out right now. That versatility just comes with the drawback of a speed limit and loss of top end stability. The Katana is a charger and one of the most versatile skis around that still warrants that title.

[Bushwacka]

Dude. Can you just pick one thread to cunt up instead of all of them. Please?

Honestly Ill stop when the others stop.

[CaliBrit]

Honestly Ill stop when the others stop.

He offered an opinion that the Nordicas he has seen have been fine....so you called him a shit skier. Please. Just stop man.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Can you compare the E104F to the K108? Are those even in the same category?

I haven't skied the new Katanas, but I agree with Bandit Man's assessment of the 104 Free. It is not a charger at all.

[nickwm21]

Aside from being both being 10X width skis and both having a metal/wood/carbon layup, they feel really different.

Both are very versatile skis, but the E104F will appeal to a wider range of skiers. The Enforcer is well mannered and very accessible. It carves easily, handles a fairly high speed (but has a limit), and has a tail that can be broken loose easily. They are pretty good floaters in powder for a 104 waist and ski loose in deep snow despite the 18.5-19.5-m radius (mainly due to the generous rocker profile). The Enforcer also has a playful versus charger nature, which lends to its fun factor and versatility.

The Katana is just more or everything that the Enforcer is, except rocker. It’s noticeably stiffer, more damp, and just craves speed. It has a longer running length, but somehow feels as loose (I think looser than) the Enforcer in deep snow. I think the Katana rails harder than the Enforcer but this may be because it handles speed and variable conditions better. I don’t think the Katana has a speed limit...at least I haven’t found it yet...and I only ski the 184. The Katana has better float but needs a little speed to make that happen.

The Enforcer is the ski that Rossignol told people the Soul 7 was supposed to be in their marketing material. It is probably the best do-it-all ski out right now. That versatility just comes with the drawback of a speed limit and loss of top end stability. The Katana is a charger and one of the most versatile skis around that still warrants that title.

Thanks!


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[Bushwacka]

He offered an opinion that the Nordicas he has seen have been fine....so you called him a shit skier. Please. Just stop man.

he called me a know it all prick. So fuck him, if he is not shit he can post video up and prove it.

again I would never have mentioned his skiing ability if he didnt mention anything about me and quote me while doing it. He struck first.......my OP on this thread was stating what I have found with the 4 new nordicas I have owned in the past 5 years.....

the boot thread isnt trolling its just stating knowledge against the OP about why stiff boots actually work well for well set up, competent skiers.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

He offered an opinion that the Nordicas he has seen have been fine....so you called him a shit skier. Please. Just stop man.

The 104 Frees I owned briefly came flat. Checked with a true bar.