21/22 Gear Rumors

[123ski]

gonna echo the Nerd here but level up with them skiing no differently than single component soles. anyone saying that they need din soles cause they shred too hard for GW soles is getting bad advice or reading too much internets. the yeah but world cup argument died in 2004.

Anyone who says “people who think they need long turn radius skis” or “people who think they need DIN soles” or “people who think they need metal in their skis” or “people who think they need stiffer boots” are “reading too much internet” or “think they are better skiers than they actually are” or “are just flexing” ... are probably shitty skiers for thinking that these things don’t actually matter


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[kid-kapow]

Try using the new Mimic liners in your XTD 130s before you give up on them. The tongues are stiff AF

It wouldn't be giving up on them - I must have like 200 days on the two pairs of XTD 130s I've had - more trying something different.

The Mimic liner is an option for sure - it sounds like a great liner. Matt has stated that it tours somewhat similarily to my first gen XTD120 liners though. I love the XTD120 liners for resort use, if not so much for touring. Guess I should ust give them a second go touring before I make up my mind

These boots are awesome! Easy to walk in, comfortable to stand in, and ready for whatever you can throw at it on the down. The boots felt light on the feet on the way up, scrambled well and had plenty range of motion. Soft blower snow or crust; these boots actually felt like ski boots with no unwanted play. My feet were actually toasty warm all day as well. Perfect boot for anyone who wants a dedicated touring boot outside of their regular resort pair.

this from one of my staff who got a pair of the new Lange Tours he's coming from Roxa 130s

nice!

[SoVT Joey]

It wouldn't be giving up on them - I must have like 200 days on the two pairs of XTD 130s I've had - more trying something different.

The Mimic liner is an option for sure - it sounds like a great liner. Matt has stated that it tours somewhat similarily to my first gen XTD120 liners though. I love the XTD120 liners for resort use, if not so much for touring. Guess I should ust give them a second go touring before I make up my mind



nice!

I too have really started to fall in love with my xt3. I still hate the walk mode lever and the lug design. But aside from that. I’m right there with you. I was searching for something else and I’ve skied three other boots and the downhill of the Lange is just leaps and bounds better then anything else I’ve been in. The only boot that is close to the same performance is a Cochise. I am 100% in the same club that if that xt pro walks better and skis even close to the same it’s a win. Only thing Lange needs to do is get a better liner. And fix the walk mode.

I’d buy a xt pro tour tomorrow if I could.

[XavierD]

Grip walk soles ski pretty much the same as 5355 soles. It’s still the same plastic to plastic or plastic to metal connection at the contact points.

[kid-kapow]

... I still hate the walk mode lever and the lug design. ...

The walking mechanism on mine has been working great until today - super cold day out with some abrupt changes in temperature (going inside). The cuplrit as far as I can tell was slight icing where the moving piece slots in. If so, that is a super easy fix - just bring something pointy to scrape / wiggle around in there if it occurs.

I am kinda like you that I kinda liked them to begin with, went through a fase where I started doubting them (due to a wonky knee), but where their stock is steadily rising currently. I don't mind the stock liner either - it skis well, is fairly comfortable and warm. Is the liner perfection? No, but more than good enough for me for now.

[iriponsnow]

gonna echo the Nerd here but level up with them skiing no differently than single component soles. anyone saying that they need din soles cause they shred too hard for GW soles is getting bad advice or reading too much internets. the yeah but world cup argument died in 2004.

What binding were you in? While I get the love for all-metal bindings, I really don't think anyone can say that an STH2 16 will hold someone back...

A GripWalk pad itself skis no differently than a dual-density ISO 5355 pad and it's way better than a full rubber touring sole.

I was skiing the Head I.RD skis with the Attack2. Lots of wobble.

[Bushwacka]

Anyone who says “people who think they need long turn radius skis” or “people who think they need DIN soles” or “people who think they need metal in their skis” or “people who think they need stiffer boots” are “reading too much internet” or “think they are better skiers than they actually are” or “are just flexing” ... are probably shitty skiers for thinking that these things don’t actually matter


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Eh stiffer boots are easier to ski. I am too shit off a skier to ski a soft boot make my leg and core tired to ski a soft boot. Basically my boots are holding me up so I can be LAZY. I also like DIN soles for inbounds because in the east on hardpack days I can feel the vibram flexxing as I edge. I am sure on packed pow I would never notice a DIN sole compared to anything else. Also grip walk sole typically dont allow for the underboot canting/ramping I do to be neutral. I also like metal because to seem to get kicked around less in chunky snow. Again I am too shit to ski a non metal ski in eastern firm crud, I like to make things easy.

I took this picture last week of my shitiness. Do you know how I can get my hip off the snow? I was told this wasnt good form.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKuUmAtFcfp/

[Dee Hubbs]

I took this picture last week of my shitiness. Do you know how I can get my hip off the snow? I was told this wasnt good form.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CKuUmAtFcfp/

Is that going uphill or downhill? Or are you sitting down in the flat lift maze?
I'm not sure what the photo is showing?

[Bushwacka]

so how do I get my hip off the snow? Like I said I am shit because I think stiff boots and metal skis are easier to ski. can nt you see my skis^^^ I love my Metrons.

[Dee Hubbs]

so how do I get my hip off the snow? Like I said I am shit because I think stiff boots and metal skis are easier to ski. can nt you see my skis^^^ I love my Metrons.

So if I rotate the photo so that your pole and the ground snow is level, Photoshop tells me the photo has been rotated to +12 degrees. So you're ripping turns on a 12* groomed slope?

[Bushwacka]

So if I rotate the photo so that your pole and the ground snow is level, Photoshop tells me the photo has been rotated to +12 degrees. So you're ripping turns on a 12* groomed slope?

eh I think it actually steeper than that. I mean its pretty obvious I am trolling. The slope is Main Street Race at Stowe.



I mean its not a double black bump or something then again you againt going to get your ass on the ground on something like that. It is FIS certified for SL, GS and SG. so real no idea on the pitch of that photo but realistically I was just clowning around playing with Vertical seperation.

And you sir have made my troll less fun. but honestly Soft boots are way more strenuous to ski in since they flex when you hit imperfections in the snow.

[Dee Hubbs]

eh I think it actually steeper than that. I mean its pretty obvious I am trolling. The slope is Main Street Race at Stowe.
And you sir have made my troll less fun. but honestly Soft boots are way more strenuous to ski in since they flex when you hit imperfections in the snow.

BUT it made my trolling way more fun

[XavierD]

I also like DIN soles for inbounds because in the east on hardpack days I can feel the vibram flexxing as I edge. I am sure on packed pow I would never notice a DIN sole compared to anything else. Also grip walk sole typically dont allow for the underboot canting/ramping I do to be neutral.

This is another case of someone trying to apply unique personal issues to products which aren't targeted or designed for them... just buy some damn plugs or frontside boots. No one is putting gripwalks on those boots. Regardless:
The rubber on the grip walk sole shouldn't touch the toe AFD. if you feel it in the heel you'd feel it in many of the other 'din' soles which have been standardized for the last decade plus. Pretty much all grip walk soles allow for cantology plates or each brand's version of them. If your bootfitter cant figure out how to do underboot ramping with them you probably shouldn't trust them with ramping your boots. Its not that hard...

[Bushwacka]

This is another case of someone trying to apply unique personal issues to products which aren't targeted or designed for them... just buy some damn plugs or frontside boots. No one is putting gripwalks on those boots. Regardless:
The rubber on the grip walk sole shouldn't touch the toe AFD. if you feel it in the heel you'd feel it in many of the other 'din' soles which have been standardized for the last decade plus. Pretty much all grip walk soles allow for cantology plates or each brand's version of them. If your bootfitter cant figure out how to do underboot ramping with them you probably shouldn't trust them with ramping your boots. Its not that hard...

the issue is the hollow lugs on many gripwalk boots. Most high end Plug and the Old KR2 pros have solid lugs.

I run 6 degrees of CANT on my left boot so I know I extreme. I learned to do my own fitting because no sane boot fitter would do over 3...... its been 8 year though and my left knee still feels fine, hells is better than before the CANT.

again though the main point is a stiff boot maintains good alignment but they need to be set up right to work, soft boots lets you flex into good alignment but also can over flex pretty easily.

[Sessiøn]

No one ever:

Josh Matta dick waving.

[Bushwacka]

nah I am too shit to ski on soft boots. My dick is limp.

But honestly assuming you legs comes out of the boot at the correct angle why would you want it to flex?

[mr_pretzel]

If they just offer DIN replacement soles does anyone care of Gripwalk becomes the norm? I just don’t want options to disappear, more options is good.

[iwoody808]

19-20 vwerks Katana but, “Who knew?”


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[J. Barron DeJong]

[QUOTE=iwoody808;6226411]19-20 vwerks Katana but, “Who knew?”

Seen something like this before on CSI. Those must be semen impregnated graphics.

[SoVT Joey]

nah I am too shit to ski on soft boots. My dick is limp.

But honestly assuming you legs comes out of the boot at the correct angle why would you want it to flex?

Ahhhh hhhhaaa a ski instructor?! That’s why your inside hand is low, you are on your uphill ski, and you are trying to drive a ski from your hips. Looks like a PSIA turn.

Boots help with power transfer.

[smartyiak]

Ahhhh hhhhaaa a ski instructor?!.

Hahahaha....as soon as I saw this sentence on the time line, I KNEW Matta must be posting again.


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[Bushwacka]

Ahhhh hhhhaaa a ski instructor?! That’s why your inside hand is low, you are on your uphill ski, and you are trying to drive a ski from your hips. Looks like a PSIA turn.

Boots help with power transfer.

Yes, that why softer boots transfer less power.

[Lindahl]

Much stronger ski/walk mechanism that gives the spine much more reinforcement. And you can lock it out.

Is it less inclined to break? I seemed to break the ski/walk mode about every other year. They seemed to break due to the force generated from landing cliffs? But I can't say for sure. I think it was the interior metal that would wear down, but I've also broken the metal rod in half on a pair (was able to insert the piece back in and finish my lap).

[Lindahl]

Just did a podcast about this new boot and it's components over at Blister. Basic summary is this:
1. New Hawx Ultra retains the fit and customization potential of current Ultra but gets a 25% more stable construction and about a 100g weight gain. Still a full PU/PU construction with emphasis on improved skiing performance.

Has the angle, depth, wrap etc. of the walk/ski mode clasp/rod improved? I sometimes blow out of ski mode when landing stuff.

[Lindahl]

]Professional Dual Strap combines elastic elements with our patented Dual Strap. The top half of the strap sits directly on the liner tongue and the lower half sits on the cuff. The strap can be as elastic/active/damp as you want or as static/fixed as you want and anywhere in between. The main way to set it up is for the strap to be fully active during the first half of the boot's flex pattern (like skiing through choppy/rough snow) but then it becomes fixed and powerful during the latter half of the boot's flex pattern (when railing turns on groomers).

This is really awesome. I always struggle to find the right strap placement to get proper liner engagement and cuff support. I usually just settle with it on the liner, and crank on the upper buckle.