PSA: Mount your own fucking skis.

[buttahflake]

You guys ever heard of Tyrolia? Same hole pattern for like the last 30 years! So easy to adjust. Anyone who tells you they can feel the difference skiing a turntable is a bullshit liar, just sayin is all.

[SoVT Joey]

You guys ever heard of Tyrolia? Same hole pattern for like the last 30 years! So easy to adjust. Anyone who tells you they can feel the difference skiing a turntable is a bullshit liar, just sayin is all.

Glad you kicked that door open cause that’s where I was headed.

[pfluffenmeister]

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Praxis Lhasa Fat
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Praxis Kusala
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Shwing!
Thought about the gold pivots for my Praxis Kusalas.

[lucknau]

Shwing!
Thought about the gold pivots for my Praxis Kusalas.

I was just hemming and hawing between gold, silver, or purple/pink.

[pfluffenmeister]

I was just hemming and hawing between gold, silver, or purple/pink.

I went black P14s on maple veneer with black line art top sheet.

[pfluffenmeister]

PS The 189 Kusalas are pow murder machines.

[Meadow Skipper]

Generally I hate mounting used bindings, but this was for a friend, the skis were new, and it came out all right.

[anotherVTskibum]

You guys ever heard of Tyrolia? Same hole pattern for like the last 30 years! So easy to adjust. Anyone who tells you they can feel the difference skiing a turntable is a bullshit liar, just sayin is all.

I don't know about a turntable, but different amounts of travel before release (and different amounts of force to get there) are, IMO, noticable.

But what do I know--I'm happy enough with the Shifts that I bought a fourth pair this year, and most of my bindings are set at a book value for DIN.

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[FortySixMac]

You guys ever heard of Tyrolia? Same hole pattern for like the last 30 years! So easy to adjust. Anyone who tells you they can feel the difference skiing a turntable is a bullshit liar, just sayin is all.

good ol’ Tyrolia — no interest in fucking shops over by changing the hole pattern every two years

[El Chupacabra]

Are Salomon Warden brake arms interchangeable with the older brake arms (916, 900, 997, etc)? The shape looks like it, but the arm looks thicker on the Warden.

[aanev]

Are Salomon Warden brake arms interchangeable with the older brake arms (916, 900, 997, etc)? The shape looks like it, but the arm looks thicker on the Warden.

Edit: I misread. The brake assembly is not interchangeable. I have previous version brakes lying around - I'll compare them to Warden/STH2 and report.

Edit2: The brake arm shape is quite similar. There are small differences in the angles under the black plastic.

[tdpdx]

Two quick ones from last night. My first pair of Goats and my GFs first new skis.

[HAB]

Are Salomon Warden brake arms interchangeable with the older brake arms (916, 900, 997, etc)? The shape looks like it, but the arm looks thicker on the Warden.

Yeah, you can swap the arms. Diameter is actually really close too, the silver arms on the STH2/Warden brakes just look thicker.

[El Chupacabra]

Yeah, you can swap the arms. Diameter is actually really close too, the silver arms on the STH2/Warden brakes just look thicker.

Thanks - I'm familiar with swapping and bending the arms on the old Salomons, just haven't tried on the Wardens. I have some 115 brake width Wardens on a 97mm waist ski, and the arms are a little wide when clicked into the bindings.

[jhyatt]

Just checking... Warden mnc 13 have the same hole pattern at sth2 13?

Template is the same... I think?

So then the question... Do they ski different? I know the warden toe can take all kinds of boots. Heels identical?

In lift line I have been eyeing both... Does the warden put the boot higher off of the ski? Sth2 more elastic?

Mounting a pair of skis. My boots are plain old alpine sole but want to be future proof but not if it puts me higher off of the ski or something else.

Yes I googled it.

[justo8484]

After a whole lot of waiting on USPS for bindings to arrive, finally got my old proto jeffreys re-mounted with some v1 Cast plates. It took waaaay longer than I hoped it would, and I definitely learned a few things along the way.

Tapping the toe piece was pretty straightforward, but had to do a few Home Depot runs to find, and subsequently trim down, machine screws for the toes.
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I ripped the heel out of one of the skis last season and used QK rescue inserts to resurrect the ski. Had to figure out which screws to use for the QK/Cast combo on that one. When trying to reuse the old holes on the other ski, one of the screws started spinning, so I'll probably get some more rescue inserts and sure up that heel, too.
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Got a pretty thorough dump here in the flat mid atlantic and got a chance to give em a test run in some local cornfields. Dynafit toe feels much better on the ups than the Guardians these are replacing, and the pivot toe felt just as solid as a normally mounted pivot.
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[Bandit Man]

Just checking... Warden mnc 13 have the same hole pattern at sth2 13?

Template is the same... I think?

So then the question... Do they ski different? I know the warden toe can take all kinds of boots. Heels identical?

In lift line I have been eyeing both... Does the warden put the boot higher off of the ski? Sth2 more elastic?

Mounting a pair of skis. My boots are plain old alpine sole but want to be future proof but not if it puts me higher off of the ski or something else.

Yes I googled it.

Lots of good data over on skitalk.com about bindings. Phil Pug and that crew feel out more than we do about some stuff (which is cool) https://www.skitalk.com/threads/2021...indings.20770/

Slightly higher stack height and loss of elasticity in the toe is the real difference moving to the Warden 13.

As far as hole patterns go, the front two screws on the Warden are different from the STH2.

Most of my skis have STH2’s (13 or 16), but recently I started mounting Warden 13 demos to share with my kid who is now big enough to ski my quiver. Other than the added weight, I haven’t noticed a big difference in performance. Mind you, I haven’t had any nasty falls this year and needed the added elasticity (knock on wood).

Rumor has it that the STH toe will be MNC for 2022, although some argue it more or less already is.

[HAB]

Just checking... Warden mnc 13 have the same hole pattern at sth2 13?

Template is the same... I think?

So then the question... Do they ski different? I know the warden toe can take all kinds of boots. Heels identical?

In lift line I have been eyeing both... Does the warden put the boot higher off of the ski? Sth2 more elastic?

Mounting a pair of skis. My boots are plain old alpine sole but want to be future proof but not if it puts me higher off of the ski or something else.

Yes I googled it.

The 13 DIN versions have the exact same heel. The STH2 16 obviously has a stiffer spring, but is otherwise the same. The Warden 11 is different because... reasons.

The rear two holes of the toe piece are the same. The forward two are different. The Warden stack height is a little taller in the toe, but since the heel is the same, that manifests more as a flatter ramp than being taller across the board.

The Warden has a sliding AFD for compatibility with rubber soled AT boots. The STH2 toe works with GW, WTR and Alpine soles, but isn't certified for use with rubber AT soles and I wouldn't personally ski them with those. Stated elasticity for the STH2 toe is significantly higher.

They're both pretty good bindings. Unless you want the AT sole compatibility I'd do STH2s just because, but I happily ski both and I'd honestly have a hard time telling a difference in on snow performance in most circumstances.

[dcpnz]

https://www.skitalk.com/threads/2021...indings.20770/

Slightly higher stack height and loss of elasticity in the toe is the real difference moving to the Warden 13.

Slightly higher?
That link says 10mm higher which strikes me as a huge change in ramp angle with same heel.
Is that for real?

[HAB]

Slightly higher?
That link says 10mm higher which strikes me as a huge change in ramp angle with same heel.
Is that for real?

That number is wrong. I just measured the top of the AFD at 20.5mm off the topsheet.

[Bandit Man]

That number is wrong. I just measured the top of the AFD at 20.5mm off the topsheet.

He's correct...I just checked, too. Only like a 2-mm difference in stack height of the toe.

[jhyatt]

Lots of good data over on skitalk.com about bindings. Phil Pug and that crew feel out more than we do about some stuff (which is cool) https://www.skitalk.com/threads/2021...indings.20770/

Slightly higher stack height and loss of elasticity in the toe is the real difference moving to the Warden 13.

As far as hole patterns go, the front two screws on the Warden are different from the STH2.

Most of my skis have STH2’s (13 or 16), but recently I started mounting Warden 13 demos to share with my kid who is now big enough to ski my quiver. Other than the added weight, I haven’t noticed a big difference in performance. Mind you, I haven’t had any nasty falls this year and needed the added elasticity (knock on wood).

Rumor has it that the STH toe will be MNC for 2022, although some argue it more or less already is.

"Armada/Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 13
Pluses: Quicker return to center than STH2, 25mm+ adjustment range"

From that link. Does that imply the toe wings come back faster?

Thanks for all the replies. I am moving sth2 13 from old to new skis. If I want to change to mnc I just drill 2 more holes no biggie

[jackattack]

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[ticketchecker]

Grab it with your hand and twist, if it twist easy tighten a few turns until it doesn’t twist. Look at angle and see if it’s better

Sometimes the printed bsl isn’t exact

Tried this and it doesn’t twist




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