ON3P SKIS Discussion

[ASmileyFace]

RE Goats for CO, I love mine in beat up hardpack mank. I just feel like I can count on them to make the turns and slarves when I need them too and not get too hooky when I'm dodging twigs and rocks. Only really dislike them on groomers, which I generally avoid if I can. However, I'd love to try out a 108 waist or narrower non-tour weight BG with RES. Recently skied some 102 Steeples for a few in bounds runs and liked those till I kicked one w/o a brake on it and almost lost it for good.

Maybe I should try out the Woodsmen someday if I get the chance.

I have daily driven my 15/16 era Steeple 102s for a long time now. It's an incredible ski. I keep buying other skis to try and take that daily driver place, but now that I was able to grind and actually fix the completely destroyed edges and bases on them, I'm reaching for them more often than I thought I would. I'm super curious to hear about the 108 BG once people get a season on it. I might have to get a pair for my touring ski next season.

[rainy512day]

I’ve been riding Steeple 102s mounted w/ Griffon bindings going on 5 years. Finally replaced Griffons with Shifts but had to offset -1.5 cm from mount point avoid old drill pattern. Steeples now feel unstable and have to really get over them to perform.

Call out to BG/Steeple folks, did I ruin my skis by mounting-1.5 or is it just in my head?

[Norseman]

What's the difference in binding deltas?

[rainy512day]

Not sure what you mean. The Griffons were mounted on the line, the Shifts are now mounted 1.5 cm behind the line

[Norseman]

I was positing that the difference in binding ramp angle could play a larger effect in moving your CG than the mount point... but in looking up the values (7mm for Shift, 4mm for Griffon), that hypothesis seems less likely.

[ASmileyFace]

My steeple's are mounted 7.5mm forward of my initial mount I believe and don't feel a whole lot different, maybe a little easier to pivot quickly. That version was pre-RES, but this might be a question for Scott or someone else to chime in on.

[beeeom]

Mount them forward a bit. My 186 BG's are absolute destroyers @ +1.5. The extra quickness over rides the reduced float 98% of the time

[phatboy64]

Mount them forward a bit. My 186 BG's are absolute destroyers @ +1.5. The extra quickness over rides the reduced float 98% of the time

What year BGs, are they RES? I have been kicking around changing bindings on my BGs with RES but haven’t pulled the trigger due to having to move forward/back ~1cm and worried about the negative effect.

[beeeom]

What year BGs, are they RES? I have been kicking around changing bindings on my BGs with RES but haven’t pulled the trigger due to having to move forward/back ~1cm and worried about the negative effect.

2013/2014. Yes to RES. I wouldn't hesitate to go forward 1cm if I were you. I'd go forward rather than further back. Tiny trade off between float/ stability for playful quickness.

Also have a 2019 189cm BG (RES & asym) mounted
+1 and it is no slouch either

[paal]

Going forward would put you more over of the RES-section which does not sound good at all to me. If you really have to deviate on a BG, I'd imagine going back would be better for most people.

[oetk2]

Anyone have time on a WD102? Seems like the perfect compliment to a BG for a pnw daily driver

[kid-kapow]

Anyone have time on a WD102? Seems like the perfect compliment to a BG for a pnw daily driver

Some thoughts to be found here (not my thread or anything I have contributed to): https://www.skitalk.com/threads/on3p...man-102.20804/

[CaliBrit]

I find myself preferring the Wrenegade 114 over the Billy Goat when there's fresh 'n' deep snow at Wolfy, Telluride, and / or Taos. It may be that I never learned the Goats, but I really mesh well with the Wrenegades.

Finally got my Wren 114’s 184’s into real conditions with this huge storm we’ve had in Sun Valley.

Really enjoyed them. Just fantastic in deep untracked and cut up powder. Intuitive and as a directional skier I find the tails plenty loose and ready to slide around for me. I don’t really find them that chargey but I do often ski a longer ski.

The one thing is that when the snow gets really cut up and consolidated into fairly firm bumps I get kicked around allot. Thought about it a bit and it reminds me of something the BG 184’s did to me too.

I guess it’s partly that I’m not that heavy (160) and it’s just got allot of backbone. Just had to work to keep up with my buddy on bumped out groomers between tree shots and that’s not something I normally have to do. Felt like being bounced around like a pin ball!!

[Reformed]

Going forward would put you more over of the RES-section which does not sound good at all to me. If you really have to deviate on a BG, I'd imagine going back would be better for most people.

I’m not totally convinced of this logic. My data points are a 189 BG that I end up ~0.5 cm forward of the line and a Steeple 108 that a boot change put me 0.5 cm behind the line. Not apples to apples, but I *think* I notice the shift back on the Steeples and don’t always love it. The BG shape has a ton of ski out in front of the binding and relatively less behind it. I find being back accentuates this and reduces support from the tails if I happen to get chucked back there. I’ve never skied my BGs on the line, but I have ZERO complaints with how they ski slightly ahead of it. Not sure I’m going to re-mount my Steeples to get back on the line, but I think if I had to choose I’d try just forward of the line rather than back. The tips on these skis don’t sink, but they can get pretty vague feeling if they don’t have pressure on them. Moving back accentuates this. YMMV and all that.

[phatboy64]

I’m not totally convinced of this logic. My data points are a 189 BG that I end up ~0.5 cm forward of the line and a Steeple 108 that a boot change put me 0.5 cm behind the line. Not apples to apples, but I *think* I notice the shift back on the Steeples and don’t always love it. The BG shape has a ton of ski out in front of the binding and relatively less behind it. I find being back accentuates this and reduces support from the tails if I happen to get chucked back there. I’ve never skied my BGs on the line, but I have ZERO complaints with how they ski slightly ahead of it. Not sure I’m going to re-mount my Steeples to get back on the line, but I think if I had to choose I’d try just forward of the line rather than back. The tips on these skis don’t sink, but they can get pretty vague feeling if they don’t have pressure on them. Moving back accentuates this. YMMV and all that.

Yea if I took RES out of the picture I would go forward all day long...IDK...I do know I am overthinking this.....

[jackattack]

I skied supergoats today, mounted on the line, and it was a goat day. go custom with 193’s, it’s worth it. so loose, so surfy, powerful in the fall line and fast. Good in tight spaces, bad snow, open lines and good snow. Bad Ass fuckin skis.

[TeleBeaver]

The tips on these skis don’t sink, but they can get pretty vague feeling if the don’t have pressure on them. Moving back accentuates this. YMMV and all that.

This is they key imo. My cease and desists are mounted on the line and have been good the few (4) days I've gotten out on them, but I would go forward the tiniest bit (.5-.75) if I mounted them again.

Part of this is the skis are 189 and I am 5'11 170. I could easily be on the 184 and maybe that would change my mind. Another part of this is that I am a tele skier, and if I stand up and make parallel turns it is very difficult to generate tip pressure. I can ride skis very centered on groomers, but off trail I am basically in the backseat if I am making parallel turns. In a tele stance there is no issue because I generate all kinds of tip pressure, but standing up at the end of a run or if I get tired I notice that I have very little control of the tips. The skis just want to run.

I love the skis for how they ski untracked and chopped pow, and would never waste a mount on such a small change, but if I got a pair of BGs I would probably go a hair ahead of the line just for shits and gigs. I say send it at +.5.

[shroom]

sleeper soft day on my woodsman 96. skiing a lot of lot of filled in low angle and soft bumps/groomers, soft windbuff. ski rips for sure and is really quick. wanted more float in a few low density pockets but i can see the 108 being a solid daily

[SkiLyft]

I skied supergoats today, mounted on the line, and it was a goat day. go custom with 193’s, it’s worth it. so loose, so surfy, powerful in the fall line and fast. Good in tight spaces, bad snow, open lines and good snow. Bad Ass fuckin skis.

This here is the gospel, such a solid ski!


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[Conundrum]

Update on 189 BG108T eight days in. I'm 6', 225# and can bend skis when I want but appreciate easy days too. Dynafit STs and Mastraele Rs. Skied them on 6-18" of light pow and wind consolidated slabbier pack. One day of little heavier snow at about 10". They tour great. I like the little narrower width for skinning-especially with most of my touring buddies on sub 105 skis. The tips floated up perfectly breaking trail. They are pretty light really. On under 8" of lighter, I can find the bottom but I'm heavy. Any deeper and it was no bottom and face shots. I can get them up to speed easy too. They just cruised on the heavier snow. Most of the places I skin are intermountain snow pack and in recent years, seems a little maritimey with warmer weather following big storms. I think this ski is a winner. If I were CO/UT, I'd probably have gone 116 but have no regrets.

[PeachesNCream]

How much do you lose in tight trees going from BG to supergoat?

[jackattack]

How much do you lose in tight trees going from BG to supergoat?

4 cm

[2FUNKY]

4 cm

Heh.
The SG takes just a touch more effort in tight trees with heavy snow. If it’s low density snow it won’t be noticeable.

[Kopi_Red]

I skied supergoats today, mounted on the line, and it was a goat day. go custom with 193’s, it’s worth it. so loose, so surfy, powerful in the fall line and fast. Good in tight spaces, bad snow, open lines and good snow. Bad Ass fuckin skis.

QFT

[justo8484]

Just wanted to share my love for the old proto jeffrey 110s. Hadn't skied them this year since I mounted up my new 108s, but brought the 110s out the past two days for some mid atlantic off trail duty. Two feet in 48 hours after a couple smaller storms over the past two weeks put everything in play. Still amazed at how easy it is to maneuver these skis in super tight east coast trees, while still being able to haul through chop at full speed back to the lift. I hit something in the woods so hard the wife heard it and thought I snapped a ski in half, but they came out completely unscathed, as per usual for ON3Ps.